FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop
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Here's my thought process, James.
- I always looked forward to Logos' biennial upgrades (I've invested heavily, both financially and ministerially, in Logos software since the demise of Bibleworks).
- For me, a subscription plan (Max, in this case) costs roughly half of what the old upgrade program did, calculated over a two-year period.
- Logos has always added curve balls and speed bumps to their software, but because they were always included with useful new features every two years, they weren't all that annoying.
- The "slow motion" nature of their subscription updates makes the annoying stuff (like the dynamic toolbar) seem more useless than it actually is because it is more visible, and because very little else of value was added in version 37.
- While I was initially both frustrated and angered by this truly ridiculous update, I decided, for my emotional and spiritual well-being, to accept it and find workarounds for it. Keyboard shortcuts, available for the things I use, do the trick.
- The posting of the shortcuts was intended to help others get on with their lives despite Logos' apparent folly.
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Is there a publicly available provisional roadmap of the toolbars' likely evolution? I'd like to get a general idea of what might change in the development of this tool.
There are things about the toolbars I do not like and some I'm merely OK about. Perhaps a roadmap would give me hope and calm my nerves. Or not. But suspense is not good for my nerves. It might be comforting to know, for example, that being able to hide the secondary toolbar by default was on the horizon.
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Can I set toolbar > formatting > Factbook tags to be OFF by default? (Or any other secondary toolbar options?) I often want to click on a word in order to see corresponding words but don't notice the faint underline.
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@Bob Venem Thank you for this, Maybe if I have a keyboard short cuts picture open on another screen I can use them. Are you able to tag me again with all the shortcuts I can't seem to find your post again in this thread. Maybe I'll just make a spreadsheet with them on there so I can see them all at once.
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I've attached a PDF I made of the Windows shortcuts as they are found in the Logos Help File.
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@Bob Venem Thank you!
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I'm surprised by how much I like it. No doubt, there will be a period of getting use to the new-ness of it as I was quite accustomed to the previous layout. Three suggestions:
- It would be nice to have an icon-only option in the program settings. I think that the text adds to the clutter & the previous text-less (icon-only) interface made the previous iteration of this toolbar feel more usable & less cluttered.
- When clicking a subcategory (e.g. "Emphasize," "Visual Filters," "Paged View," etc.), it would be nice to have the option of reducing clicks. What I have in mind is an option to click on the word itself, which would toggle the feature as a whole on or off, or a second option to click on the down arrow to toggle specific facets of that menu.
- Paged View. As an aside, I love that this feature is more accessible. When a parallel text is up, the "Paged View" (why not "Page View"??) feature does not work. It would be fantastic if both panes in the tab functioned as a page view, even if the alignment (understandably) wasn't spot-on.
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I find the TOC toggle very helpful when researching in many (non-biblical) sources. As far as Tab-ing back to the navigation box, I find that if I click in the text (as if I were highlighting or interacting with it), pressing tab will take me to the navigation box and I can type there immediately. If my last click was in the menu bar, then tab will cycle through the menu options.
It's not perfect, but might be a much easier work around until something more intuative is established.
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Yes! please allow special copy in other, indexed resources.
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I am really missing the "forward" and "back arrows that quickly take me to the previously opened reference. I finally found where they references are listed under "History" but the arrows were a much better design.
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Agreed. The arrows are similar to a Web browser. I use them a lot. The old resource toolbar with arrows and a dropdown for history is more elegant and quicker to use.
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The forward/back arrows are located left of the navigation box. The forward arrow isn't visible until you have gone back once. You can right click on either arrow button to see a listing of all the items (the same listing as found in the History popup).
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks for pointing this out!
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If you click on the drop down for Factbook Tags you should see "do not show in any books" That should remove them from all your books.
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Thanks. I wish this option was available throughout the toolbars.
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I am so happy that my Logos has reverted to the old resource toolbar, since I don't have the subscription and the beta period is over for the new resource toolbar. I had forgotten how simple and quick it is to use. I am very much enjoying it.
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This!!! But…. Sadly, last I heard they will eventually force the new toolbar on all of us…. Hopefully they change their mind on that decision… It would be a better gesture to L10 FFS owners to keep the "Dynamic" Toolbar behind the paywall and not Feature Parity of a feature we already own…
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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I can not find the button for parallel bibles/works/books/ // and also the other buttons next to it:
I miss it dearly. It was the easiest/ quickest way for me to switch/ see other bible-translations…
Could you bring it back, please. Or is it still in there somewher hidden?
Thanks
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Benedikt, it's 'hidden' under the book cover (left side of menu).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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For all those questions, this help site is essential: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/2943The 9681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar
EDIT: you might look there under section "Switch to another book" /EDIT
The functionality you're looking for is now under the book frontpage icon left to the locator box:
Have joy in the Lord!
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I will post this once again in hope that Logos is listening and looking for true feedback. The dynamic toolbar is too awkward to use efficiently. It was a good attempt at putting things in a more graphic format but it takes too many clicks to get to what you want. I shouldn't have to click a number of times to turn visual filters, interlinear, parallel text, or access my link sets tool. Please find a way to change this so those of us who use the software on a regular basis have tools where we need them and can access quickly and efficiently. To me, the toolbar is extremely awkward. If we could customize the toolbar, that would be beneficial, along with shortcuts to toggle the previously selected setting on and off. At least that would be a work around.
Thanks!
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Many of us are hoping that the simplicity will be brought back (preferably an option of Toolbars), but unless Logos changes the direction - it sounds as though all users will be FORCED to use the inefficient toolbar in the future…. Hopefully that doesn't mean we also have to look at that blue "New" for four weeks if/when they force the not so dynamic toolbar on us…
I have my copy of Version 36 just in case….
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Somehow - more menus/submenus, the need to memorize where everything is, more clicks to achieve the same function and potentially needing to memorize keyboard shortcuts (which may be an issue for those with dexterity limitations) makes a toolbar "Dynamic", easier and more efficient…
It looks nice and is actually quite smooth - but for users who just want to efficiently work, do looks matter more than function?
I hope they are listening and I hope that the toolbar is GREATLY improved to provide EFFICIENT workflow - the question as to whether they act on what they hear is open to debate as of now…. Forcing a feature that is unpopular (based on the feedback on the forums - not sure I remember a more contested feature going back to Libronix days) on all users after telling us it was for subscribers only…. Not sure I take that as listening and acting on customer feedback…. (I know - the argument of the cost to maintain both…. They may need to consider what may be lost in book purchases should users no longer find the ease of workflow that they lose/lost as something to further invest in….
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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