Book of Revelation- Historic Premil
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Matthew C Jones said:
I'm sad to agree. The days are still too similar.
This problem is not isolated to the "other guys" but purveys throughout every denomination. I venture a guess that each of your own churches carry some type of "sexual misconduct" liability insurance. And a g00gle search will show there is good reason to. But insurance, cover-ups and the denominational designations do not help the victim
I will say just one more thing and than leave the OT subject. I am very sorry for all victims of any misconduct. However there is a difference in the scope of evil. I will say it by an analogy. We have corruption in our country today. We have all kind of criminal things, even some problems of connection of criminal world to the government structures. But, but... it is nothing to be compared with the scope of lawlessness and corruption of whole system we had in the time of the communist regime. There was no way to escape. It was whole our world. Not just cases of evil individuals, whole system had been evil. That is the difference I see.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
However there is a difference in the scope of evil. I will say it by an analogy. We have corruption in our country today.
I find a flaw in your analogy, in that it uses earthly governments to make your point. Please use Logos to read 1 Sam 8:4-22
The warning God gave through Samuel was not just for the Israelites, But for anyone who chooses, or has a human government imposed upon them.
The only positive thing that can come of the atrocities inflicted by this corruption, is that it can, on occasion, prompt people to reach out to God for relief from their Pain. Gen 50:20
This is rarely the case when the crimes are done by people who claim to be representatives of God.
Once one turns their back on the institution that claims to represent God...In many cases , they will turn their back on God, Himself.
Therein lies the danger. It is a well thought out plan, put into motion by the deceiver. And it works...Flawlessly.
God Bless. [:)]
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
The reason for my interest is after, what seems a life time, I have in the last 8 years been on a journey away from Dispensationalism- I can no longer biblically support its tenants.
It was about 7 or 8 years ago that I started questioning the presuppositions of dispensationalism (after 20 years of studying and teaching it in a church) and found it wanting. I go back and forth between historic premil and amil. There is a resource in my Logos but I am not sure how I came by it. It may have come with the Scholars package or it may have been a promotional giveaway. It is called "Hope in Hard TImes-The Final Curtain: Revelation by Bob Utley (aka R.J.D Utley). He tries to avoid advocating for a particular view but rather talks about the process of developing one's view. He mentions that Ladd is one of his favorite commentators. I haven't read the whole study guide but what I have read has been helpful.
Take a look and see if it is already in your collection.
Greg
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Abi Gail said:
I find a flaw in your analogy, in that it uses earthly governments to make your point. Please use Logos to read 1 Sam 8:4-22
No, I don't think so. I don't want to develop that any further, so just to clarify my analogy. Communism was both, philosophy (even religion) and political system assuming world government. The danger of the corruption coming out of this connection was therefore much bigger than from any individual crook who happens to be politician today. That's all.
The reference from 1 Sam 8:4-22 I understand as being directly for Israel, indirectly (in a spiritual way) of course in many ways to all of us. I don't believe in building theocracy in Prague, Brussels, Rome or Washington. But that is bringing us too much off-topic, so let us leave it.
Bohuslav
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Gregory Bednarchik said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
The reason for my interest is after, what seems a life time, I have in the last 8 years been on a journey away from Dispensationalism- I can no longer biblically support its tenants.
It was about 7 or 8 years ago that I started questioning the presuppositions of dispensationalism (after 20 years of studying and teaching it in a church) and found it wanting. I go back and forth between historic premil and amil. There is a resource in my Logos but I am not sure how I came by it. It may have come with the Scholars package or it may have been a promotional giveaway. It is called "Hope in Hard TImes-The Final Curtain: Revelation by Bob Utley (aka R.J.D Utley). He tries to avoid advocating for a particular view but rather talks about the process of developing one's view. He mentions that Ladd is one of his favorite commentators. I haven't read the whole study guide but what I have read has been helpful.
Take a look and see if it is already in your collection.
Greg
Yes I have it- but have not until this point looked at it- will give it a closer look.
Thanks [Y]
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Carson used to be amil but is now historic premil
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For those interested I found a pdf of Horae Apocalypticae all 4 volumes here. Maybe Logos would consider getting this into oue libraries
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This set was included in the Classic Commentaries and Studies on Revelation which recently went from Community Pricing to Prepub.Whyndell Grizzard said:Maybe Logos would consider getting this into oue libraries
D. A. Carson's views on Revelation can be listened to here.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Andy Evans said:Jerry M said:
D. A. Carson's views on Revelation can be listened to here.
Thanks for this, Jerry. Greatly appreciated and I will looked forward to listening to this.
Andy
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Me, too.
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Andy Evans said:Jerry M said:
D. A. Carson's views on Revelation can be listened to here.
Thanks for this, Jerry. Greatly appreciated and I will looked forward to listening to this.
Andy
Thank you. I also will be very happy to listen to D.A. Carson's take on the Book of Revelation.
P.S. Just for all of you to note: this thread is old, it has been revived after almost 2 years.
Bohuslav
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Is Carson's book a new work or is he updating P. E. Hughes in the Pillar series?
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