Theology/Denomination Tags
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Well said, abondservant.
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thank you sir!Lew Worthington said:Well said, abondservant.
Also can we tag Bruce Longenecker as Baptist? He teaches at the baptist baylor university. I also guess he's not a calvinist as he's a wheaton graduate. They tend to be arminean to 4 points as I recall. I have at least one title by him in my "uncollected" collection.
I have a title by "Anthony Hoekma" who is dutch reformed, and thus also a calvinist (if we are tracking such things).
http://www.theopedia.com/anthony-hoekema
J. Robertson McQuilken - former president of a number of multi or interdenominational institutions including most recently CIU. He's non-denominational.
http://www.ciu.edu/robertson-mcquilkin
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Very interesting post the last couple of days. I think it is an okay practice to categorize as long we remember that just because someone teaches at a particular institution with a stated doctrinal position, that does not always indicate the doctrinal position of the person affiliated with said institution. I was disappointed when I found this to be the case. However, now that I have known professors, scholars, ministry participants that are cross-doctrinal, given our modern day penchant for labels, having denominational positioning that is able to see and comprehend different conclusions to be very useful when sharing truth. I have learned that for me there is always more truth in the truth than the truth I know.
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Claude Brown Jr said:
I have learned that for me there is always more truth in the truth than the truth I know.
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Apologies for the delay in updating the spreadsheet. The latest edition is: 2570.Denominations and Theology - 25 October 2015.zip
The reference guide is unchanged: 4426.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc
There are 265 more authors categorised and 382 more authors with countries listed. I'll keep working on the rest when I get time. Feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can. The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.
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abondservant said:
Also can we tag Bruce Longenecker as Baptist? He teaches at the baptist baylor university. I also guess he's not a calvinist as he's a wheaton graduate. They tend to be arminean to 4 points as I recall. I have at least one title by him in my "uncollected" collection.
I have a title by "Anthony Hoekma" who is dutch reformed, and thus also a calvinist (if we are tracking such things).
http://www.theopedia.com/anthony-hoekema
J. Robertson McQuilken - former president of a number of multi or interdenominational institutions including most recently CIU. He's non-denominational.
http://www.ciu.edu/robertson-mcquilkinThanks again, abs. As Claude Brown points out, we need to be careful about the evidence we use to categorise. I'm not sure that Bruce Longenecker is necessarily Baptist because he teaches at Baylor, or Arminian because he studied at Wheaton. If there's other evidence, then I'd be happy to consider it. His other teaching posts (at Durham, Cambridge and St Andrews) do not suggest Baptist, or any other denomination. I think it's safe to add him as an Evangelical, at least, so that's what I've done for now.
Anthony Hoekema is indeed a Calvinist in the Christian Reformed Church in N America, which is in the Dutch Reformed tradition (see the first tab of the spreadsheet or the Wikipedia page). He should already be marked in this way.
J. Robertson McQuilkin is Evangelical. Only organisations are listed as non-denominational in the spreadsheet.
Feel free to come back with questions if you disagree. [:)]
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Andrew Baguley said:
The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there
I forgot if these update in everyone's library automatically or not. Will these updates appear in our copies of the collections or do we have to redownload the collection document?
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James Taylor said:Andrew Baguley said:
The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there
I forgot if these update in everyone's library automatically or not. Will these updates appear in our copies of the collections or do we have to redownload the collection document?
Go to the Faithlife group Technology/Denomination tags, click on Documents, and you'll see a list of documents new to old. Most if not all are Resource Collections, and they show when they were updated. There are a bunch from 2 days ago when Andrew did them. Click on a title, it opens a new window and should show "Your copy is out of date" with a get update button. Click the get update button and wait for the text to change to your copy is up to date. Then close that window/tab and go to the next title until you hit the older documents or until you open one that already shows your copy is up to date. Your next sync will update these collections in your desktop version.
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Thanks Don
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I had a surprising number of these that were out of date. Thanks for the reminder!Don Awalt said:James Taylor said:Andrew Baguley said:The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there
I forgot if these update in everyone's library automatically or not. Will these updates appear in our copies of the collections or do we have to redownload the collection document?
Go to the Faithlife group Technology/Denomination tags, click on Documents, and you'll see a list of documents new to old. Most if not all are Resource Collections, and they show when they were updated. There are a bunch from 2 days ago when Andrew did them. Click on a title, it opens a new window and should show "Your copy is out of date" with a get update button. Click the get update button and wait for the text to change to your copy is up to date. Then close that window/tab and go to the next title until you hit the older documents or until you open one that already shows your copy is up to date. Your next sync will update these collections in your desktop version.
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abondservant said:
I had a surprising number of these that were out of date. Thanks for the reminder!Don Awalt said:Go to the Faithlife group Technology/Denomination tags, click on Documents, and you'll see a list of documents new to old. Most if not all are Resource Collections, and they show when they were updated. There are a bunch from 2 days ago when Andrew did them. Click on a title, it opens a new window and should show "Your copy is out of date" with a get update button. Click the get update button and wait for the text to change to your copy is up to date. Then close that window/tab and go to the next title until you hit the older documents or until you open one that already shows your copy is up to date. Your next sync will update these collections in your desktop version.
An earlier post (I suspect years ago now) suggested that the collections updated automatically for people when I updated them, so this is what the reference document shows. From what you have written, it looks like this is untrue and each user needs to update each collection after I post an update. Can you confirm whether this is the case?
Thanks.
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I have never seen them update automatically, not sure if there is another way to set that up in the document. How do you get the documents up there, make a private copy? It might only update automatically if the action use is Collaborate, but of course that lets anyone modify it which would lose control over the set...
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Confirmed that there were many that were not updated automatically, some even that you had last updated last year!
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Thanks. I'll update the reference document.
Hopefully that brought your uncategorised count down, abs.
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Andrew Baguley said:
Thanks. I'll update the reference document.
Hopefully that brought your uncategorised count down, abs.
Brought my count down by about 4-500.
Roy Zuck doesn't seem to be categorized?
He's dispensational, and attended a bible church that is now called firewheel - an interdenominational evangelical church.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Here's one more that's still missing:
John D. Castelein - Restoration Movement / Churches of Christ (a denomination generally not well covered on the list yet...)
Another thing - would it make sense to open a request on Logos user voice to integrate this project into the actual Logos application? It might be quite successful.
I did create a User Voice request to include all marketing tags (denomination, language, hierarchy by topic) in the Logos app some time ago, but I think this list here is more precise for denominations than the Logos marketing tags.
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I created another collection just so I could focus on commentaries. It seems there is some kind of arbitrary limit on the number of arguments, or collections, or tags that can be excluded.
So that number above may not be accurate. I may not be able to use this method to fully exclude all of the titles that have been included in other collections.
Not sure if this is a glitch with the current beta or not, but I'll post in the beta forum and see if I can't get some smart folks looking at my collections and see what I've done wrong, or if they can fix the wall I'm running into.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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MJ,
Your personal Chart is interesting. Do you think Logos can do this with its entire book holdings?
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abondservant said:
I created another collection just so I could focus on commentaries. It seems there is some kind of arbitrary limit on the number of arguments, or collections, or tags that can be excluded.
So that number above may not be accurate. I may not be able to use this method to fully exclude all of the titles that have been included in other collections.
Not sure if this is a glitch with the current beta or not, but I'll post in the beta forum and see if I can't get some smart folks looking at my collections and see what I've done wrong, or if they can fix the wall I'm running into.
As you can see, titles on Hosea (and other books) are showing up despite being excluded. You can follow the thread in the beta forum here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/118129/775595.aspx#775595
Update: This seems to be a combination issue of incorect syntax on my part, and metadata...L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I noticed that the Baptist denominations don't seem to be included in the Believers Baptism collection? Certainly the SBC should be, and if a baptist denomination holds to infant baptism I'm un-aware of it. That is a baptist distinctive.
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abondservant said:
I noticed that the Baptist denominations don't seem to be included in the Believers Baptism collection? Certainly the SBC should be, and if a baptist denomination holds to infant baptism I'm un-aware of it. That is a baptist distinctive.
Thanks, abs. I think you are looking at the old Theology: Believers' Baptism collection, which was superseded by Church Theology: Believers' Baptism some time ago. The collection had hit the character limit for a cell in Excel, so I decided to do it by denomination instead. Basically, all authors were categorised for this by denomination anyway. I've now deleted Theology: Believers' Baptism and Theology: Infant Baptism, which had the same problems.
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abondservant said:
Roy Zuck doesn't seem to be categorized?
He's dispensational, and attended a bible church that is now called firewheel - an interdenominational evangelical church.Thanks again. He'll be included in the next release. [:)]
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Jan Krohn said:
Here's one more that's still missing:
John D. Castelein - Restoration Movement / Churches of Christ (a denomination generally not well covered on the list yet...)
Another thing - would it make sense to open a request on Logos user voice to integrate this project into the actual Logos application? It might be quite successful.
I did create a User Voice request to include all marketing tags (denomination, language, hierarchy by topic) in the Logos app some time ago, but I think this list here is more precise for denominations than the Logos marketing tags.
Thanks, Jan. I've added John D. Castelein. That will be in the next release. I'm happy for you to provide as much information on Restoration Movement authors as you can, so long as you give adequate evidence.
You're spot on with asking for this to be part of Logos. I just wasn't sure I had the energy to promote it. I asked Bob Pritchett to add a feature that incorporated this data back in May 2013. He sounded positive, and I prompted him again back in September 2014. He said they were working on it and apologised that it was taking so long. I guess it's taking even longer than he had thought back then, though it's hard for those of us on the outside to see why. I've been meaning to ask him again, so I'll do that in the next few days.
In the meantime, I've given three votes to your User Voice suggestion [Y][Y][Y], and suggest that others do the same. There are well over 1000 people using the collections directly through the Faithlife group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents), so it should be popular.
The full link for voting is here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/9285627-library-hierarchy-and-filtering
Please click and vote.
Thanks again, Jan.
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Andrew
Note that Central Bible Quarterly is listed as American Baptist, USA. It is published by Central Baptist Theological Seminary. There are two schools by that name in the US. The one in Kansas is affiliated with the American Baptist, USA. The other one is located in Minnesota and is very independent. I believe the journal in question is published by the school located in Plymouth, Minnesota. Thus, this journal probably does not belong in the American Baptist group.
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MJ, how did you create that chart?
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Fred - while perhaps you expected someone much prettier, and less handsome to answer your question, the way I made a similar chart was to use the Denom Stream collections to get a count for their associated resources in my library. THEN put all the numbers into an excel graph - and viola.
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Thanks, but did you put each collection into excel? I am a bit foggy on this.
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The total of the products in each category you plan to track.
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Perhaps this is a silly question, and no offense intended if I'm wrong here; aren't Catholics all infant baptizers? I only ask because a few of the people in the Catholic collection on my computer are not also in the Infant Baptism collection.
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Andrew Baguley said:
Thanks, Jan. I've added John D. Castelein. That will be in the next release. I'm happy for you to provide as much information on Restoration Movement authors as you can, so long as you give adequate evidence.
The faculty staff listings on Logos Almanac should be a good source of information. I've not gone through the entire thread, so maybe that's been discussed before.
For example:
https://almanac.logos.com/Lincoln_Christian_Seminary
By publisher, for example Illumination Publishers... Logos doesn't distribute them, but if it's proof enough, I can go through the authors' list and see if any of them are on Logos or Vyrso as well.
Andrew Baguley said:In the meantime, I've given three votes to your User Voice suggestion
, and suggest that others do the same. There are well over 1000 people using the collections directly through the Faithlife group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents), so it should be popular.Awesome. It's a shame I can't edit the suggestion any more, so I can't refer to the project directly.
I also think that the shops on Logos.com and Vyrso should be using this database to do their denomination tagging. It's far more comprehensive than the marketing tags.
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