How to re-write and release a replacement product.
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I have found it quite fast on my Mac.Robert Pavich said:Kevin A. Purcell said:Would you call excessively slow performance a bug?
Only if that was what defined the software but clearly....there are many users who have vastly different experiences....I'm one.
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Mike, excellent reply and summary to Ken's thoughts. I think your whole post and analogy was spot-on. Your experience and expertise comes through. Thanks for sharing this.Mike S. said:As someone who works in software, and has worked in software for many (many) years in various positions (including developer of all the kinds of software you mention), I must say that I find your application of the "Laws of Upgrading" to be quite personal, and not in any way absolutes in the business of software. Don't get me wrong... good axioms... good approaches, but never what makes a "good upgrade."
Your arguments actually remind me quite a lot of the arguments made by users (and developers) of text-based interfaces that were being replaced by "Windows versions" that were very much less productive, lacked the kinds of shortcuts that made greens screen users so darn fast. Frankly, they were right; and so are you. And they were wrong... and so are you
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Thomas, you can find some prepackaged compassion here... just not sermons. :-)
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Didn't a wise man once say, "if you have never failed it is because you did not try hard enough?" hmm.. maybe they were wrong, but it certainly does show there are at least two sides to the coin...Jeremiah Daniel Morris said:Ken Avery said:So if I appear to be a little ***, it is because 30+ years of 100% success tends to give one confidence!
Failures are often better teachers than successes. imho
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Joe Miller said:
Thomas, you can find some prepackaged compassion here... just not sermons. :-)
Joe,
please tell me those are not real....it seems that they are...
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Joe Miller said:
Thomas, you can find some prepackaged compassion here... just not sermons. :-)
[+o(] You mean I don't have to site by the bed at the hospital ICU any more? [+o(]
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Ok I just re-read and I think someone is going to read that and think that I mean it. Notice the little barfy faces? That means I'm disgusted at the idea, as disgusted at least as Joe's post which is linked. In fact I consider it a joy that I get to help guide the Lord's children through those times, and I'd prefer to do it with my own poorly written hen-scratch writing, thank you very much.
Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 0 -
Thomas Black said:
In fact I consider it a joy that I get to help guide the Lord's children through those times, and I'd prefer to do it with my own poorly written hen-scratch writing, thank you very much.
I prefer texting compassion myself. How encouraging it must be to get a "Sorry 4 u" text at such a time...
ONLY KIDDING!!!!!!
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Joe Miller said:
Mike, excellent reply and summary to Ken's thoughts. I think your whole post and analogy was spot-on. Your experience and expertise comes through. Thanks for sharing this.Mike S. said:As someone who works in software, and has worked in software for many (many) years in various positions (including developer of all the kinds of software you mention), I must say that I find your application of the "Laws of Upgrading" to be quite personal, and not in any way absolutes in the business of software. Don't get me wrong... good axioms... good approaches, but never what makes a "good upgrade."
Your arguments actually remind me quite a lot of the arguments made by users (and developers) of text-based interfaces that were being replaced by "Windows versions" that were very much less productive, lacked the kinds of shortcuts that made greens screen users so darn fast. Frankly, they were right; and so are you. And they were wrong... and so are you
Unfortunalty, this has been quoted out of context and does not make any sense; there is an assumption that Mike S. actually made an accurate assesment of what I said and that is far from true, I will leave it as an exercise for the student to figure out why Mike S.'s comments are irrelevenat in answering my post.
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Joe Miller said:
Didn't a wise man once say, "if you have never failed it is because you did not try hard enough?" hmm.. maybe they were wrong, but it certainly does show there are at least two sides to the coin...Jeremiah Daniel Morris said:Ken Avery said:So if I appear to be a little ***, it is because 30+ years of 100% success tends to give one confidence!
Failures are often better teachers than successes. imho
Let me get this strait; you all go to work everyday expecting to fail?
Just because I have delivered 100% on every SW project I have worked on for the past 30+ years does not mean I have not experienced failure; as a matter of fact, I use mathematics to analyse the requirments of the job before I even agree to do it; relevance, I know it can be completed and I know how long it will take because my methodology works.
Do I fail as I am writing the code or doing the analysis, yes I do; though, it does not effect the outcome of the project because I build failures into the schedule.
This is kind of funny because I believe the only way you can increase your success rate is to increase your failure rate; I try hard and often and am willing to fail time and time again until I get it right and on schedule [;)]
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Ken Avery said:
Let me get this strait; you all go to work everyday expecting to fail?
Ken,
For the record can I just say I respect the knowledge you bring to this discussion. My programming goes no further then my pathetic Office VBA code, which any true programmer would look at as the scribbled picture of a child, pat me on the head, and say "that's nice dear." While I can get it to do what I want to to do, It ain't pretty :-)
Thanks for bringing your experiences, knowledge, and opinions to the forum.
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Joe Miller said:
Oh my goodness. I thought the link was satirical - until I clicked on the link to the Logos web product. I can see purchasing membership tools, including form letters, to announce a building campaign or a fall sermon series, but Condolence Letters?!?
Ick.
If this sort of thing continues, we're soon going to see the unveiling of "Pastor-in-a-Box" software v.1.0. Pick up one of these http://www.hymntechnology.com/ and you eliminate the musicians, too.
Pretty soon, the only people that will need to show up at services are the congregation - and eventually they'll start connecting remotely too. A true virtual church.
This borders on creepy, IMHO.
Jim D.
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JimDunne said:
If this sort of thing continues, we're soon going to see the unveiling of "Pastor-in-a-Box" software
In rural churches that are only served by volunteer lay-pastors this might be a welcome tool. In many mission churches in Japan they use a digital hymnal because they lack a musician. You just punch in the hymn number and how many verses to play. It is better than nothing.
JimDunne said:Pretty soon, the only people that will need to show up at services are the congregation - and eventually they'll start connecting remotely too. A true virtual church.
We already have that too in OKC. One such church meets in several states and at "satellite" locations. Shut-ins can still attend church. It isn't really any more creepy than all of us on the forum; sharing, admonishing, teaching.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Matthew C Jones said:
In many mission churches in Japan they use a digital hymnal because they lack a musician. You just punch in the hymn number and how many verses to play. It is better than nothing.
Just barely better than nothing. Attended a Church here in the States that (temporarily) uses one of those. Even someone as musically illiterate as I am felt the pain of that experience. However, as you say, it was better than nothing.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
BTW I am also having a problem with the Title bar being black instead of the normal windows color. This is a bug and it is known and hopefully will be fixed.
Kevin,
I've NEVER had that issue with my install of Win 7 UNTIL today.
I updated my direct X to version 11 and it began.
I'm not saying that it's your problem, but it could be related.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
BTW I am also having a problem with the Title bar being black instead of the normal windows color. This is a bug and it is known and hopefully will be fixed.
Kevin,
I've NEVER had that issue with my install of Win 7 UNTIL today.
I updated my direct X to version 11 and it began.
I'm not saying that it's your problem, but it could be related.
I do have DX11. Could it be that Logos?
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I do have DX11. Could it be that Logos?
I have DX11 and Win7 64bit, and have the dreaded black bar of annoyance.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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I agree with you. No on is being forced to buy Logos 4. I am amazed at what Logos 4 is able to do. Try to do a word study by the old book mode and see how long it will take.
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Steve Shelton said:
I agree with you. No on is being forced to buy Logos 4. I am amazed at what Logos 4 is able to do. Try to do a word study by the old book mode and see how long it will take.
good pt.
I don't use it often but in L4 it is much better.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
not trying to hijack this already hijacked thread but....
Kevin...
Can you tell me if this is what you see?
Just wondering...because it's a normal tool bar with the gamma adjustment in the video card turned down too low
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
not trying to hijack this already hijacked thread but....
Kevin...
Can you tell me if this is what you see?
Just wondering...because it's a normal tool bar with the gamma adjustment in the video card turned down too low
No. Thiat's close. But here is what I'm seeing.
Notice how there are no icons in the upper right corner.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Richard DeRuiter said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
I do have DX11. Could it be that Logos?
I have DX11 and Win7 64bit, and have the dreaded black bar of annoyance.
Just FYI for troubleshooting, I have DirectX 11 and Win7 64bit and do not have a black bar.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Fred Greco said:
Just FYI for troubleshooting, I have DirectX 11 and Win7 64bit and do not have a black bar.
Which video card do you have?
For the record I have an ATI Radeon.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:Fred Greco said:
Just FYI for troubleshooting, I have DirectX 11 and Win7 64bit and do not have a black bar.
Which video card do you have?
For the record I have an ATI Radeon.
Nvidia GeForce 9400
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0
