Logos vs. OliveTree Bible Reader
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This thread centers on tablets, but I just finished loading my new iPod, which is effectively an earlier iPhone gen without the phone.
Anyway, I loaded the Logos, Olivetree, and Laridian apps, for which I have decent size libraries in each.
Laridian is by far the best programmed. Olivetree's trying to sell more stuff. And Logos is the usual slow, but ponderously powerful.
For quick easy access to Bible study and font readability, 'Laridian'. Heavy lifting: 'Logos'
Accordian's (rhymes with Logosian) Windows rollout will intro a fourth dimension for us MS-ers.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I know nothing of Laridian. But I use Olive Tree on my phone when I need to look up passages in the Bible. I find it quicker and easier than the Logos App.
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I have Logos and Olive Tree installed on both my iPad and computer. I find that I use the Olive Tree Bible Study App more due to these reasons.
1) the logos app won't swipe up and down. Which I prefer. It forces you to turn pages.
2) the logos app is so reliant on an internet connection. my iPad is wifi only. I have to put my phone into hotspot mode to get full function on my iPad.
3) the Olive Tree Bible study app is faster
4)the Olive Tree Bible study app with the resource guide installed functions easier than the logos app.
4)Olive Tree offers better prices on their resources compared to logos.
i find that I only use the logo app or software on my computer when I can't do something with OT Bible Study app. Logos is far more powerful on the computer but way slow
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If you had read the thread more carefully, you would know this isn't true.
I did not know that! That is very helpful for highlighting. Is that a new feature, or have I just missed it all this time?
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2) the logos app is so reliant on an internet connection. my iPad is wifi only.
It is possible to "Download all" of your mobile enabled resources to your iPad for reading without WiFi.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super Tramp, unfortunately that doesn't help with everything, such as running any kind of guide (passage, bws, etc.)
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You can download them, but functions like word studies don't work.
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How do you turn on this function? Because every time I'm used the logos app it only swipes pages.
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How do you turn on this function? Because every time I'm used the logos app it only swipes pages.
You need to use a two-finger swipe to scroll
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How do you turn on this function? Because every time I'm used the logos app it only swipes pages.
You need to use a two-finger swipe to scroll
that's a weird way to implement scrolling. can you make it single column? the two column scrolling just seems odd.
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How do you turn on this function? Because every time I'm used the logos app it only swipes pages.
You need to use a two-finger swipe to scroll
Not really "scrolling" but "jumping", a line at a time.
Not very conducive to reading...
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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It doesn't seem very smooth and with two columns, it could have been done in a much better way.How do you turn on this function? Because every time I'm used the logos app it only swipes pages.
You need to use a two-finger swipe to scroll
Not really "scrolling" but "jumping", a line at a time.
Not very conducive to reading...
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Well, after all these years of getting whacked by Logos4/5 fanboys, I'll admit I'm a Logos-iOS fangirl.
One reason: the highlighting (and resources, etc too but fangirls need to concentrate their 'fanning').
I can not believe the highlighting on Kindle, Laridian, Accordance, and Olivetree. Goodness gracious, have they EVER used Logos? It IS possible to do it right.
(Or I don't get their method, which is entirely possible).
The ones that want you to 'stretch' your highlight appropriately. Or the ones that want to highlight a word, sentence, paragraph or the whole resource.
(OK, I agree the UI on OT is good but let's not get carried away. And the imaging in Accordance is the absolute best too.)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Not really "scrolling" but "jumping", a line at a time.
Not very conducive to reading...
I concur... They added it to assist in highlighting between pages.
Why not "one finger"? Simple. There are too many features to work out. A single swipe up brings up the contextual menu. I guess they could switch and use the "two finger swipe," but that would not be best for the majority of users.
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that's a weird way to implement scrolling. can you make it single column? the two column scrolling just seems odd.
What in the world are you talking about? Scrolling has nothing to do with columns. What are your view settings?
I have two columns on a screen. When I scroll with 2 fingers the left column scrolls up and the verses on the right column starts to scroll, but ways until there is room and then pops to the bottom of the left. creating a very jerky motion. If this was single column this would not happen. what view settings are you speaking of. under setting all I see is "preferred Bible' and "Document for highlights"
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I swore myself I would not get into any "this vs that" discussions, but I felt useful to share my experience choosing among apps and my reasons.
I have been jumping from app to app to app for the past year searching for the "perfect app". I have used OT but do not own anything on it, very nice app. I have use Accordance as well as many others. I finally settle in just one. Logos. On my iPad I still have Accordance also which is nice and could be great in the future (but I need it now because I need to know where I will invest my money), but not any longer on my iPhone. Why I chose Logos? because it has everything I need, is where i own 95% of my resources, and I just like the app.
Bible Study software cost money, lots of money, so I needed to settle in one in which I would invest my money. I chose based on where I have already invested money, in what resources are available, how easy the company makes for me to grow my library (dynamic pricing and payment plans are very helpful saving money and getting me there), what it actually can do for me and integration and experience accross apps and desktop. A mobile app should work in support and in harmony with your main Bible Study Software.
I own both Logos and Accordance. I had to make a choice as to where I was going to invest my money.
I was told I could use both, but that does not make much sense to me beyond using books not available on the other app. For me, the only way to make each app works is to invest on each one the resources you are going to use most. That would mean to invest in BDAG/HALOT for each app. Too expensive. Why spend $300 two of three times so I can use each app? That is $900!
And if I have all my resources in one app why would I use the other one? That was my dilemma.
My advice? Choose one and stick with that one.Whichever work best for your studies.They are all good.
This is why I chose Logos over Accordance papas my Bible study software (and Logos desktop for that matter)
Accordance app seems more intuitive at first (this is a matter of opinion and dependent on how well you get to know your software) but it lacks important features like "search all"- and arbitrary text selection and its note taking is a mess. I find both equally fast in the iPad and iPhone.
Even at the desktop level, Accordance Search Al feature is nice but I much prefer Logos Guide reports and Search feature. I find it much more intuitive and faster getting me what I really looking for.
Also, Accordance is not as extensively tagged as Logos. For example, if I select a reference on a Bible I only get the list of reference but if I want to see the actual reference I have to open a second pane or go to that verse replacing what I was reading. This extensive tagging makes Logos more powerful when it comes to searching your entire library and pinpointing what you are looking for. Accordance just looks for word hits and the you have to navigate or filter to find what you really looking for. Logos does that but it is also able to go straight to the entry.
I also love that logos automatically syncs with my desktop. I take notes on my iPad and magically are on my desktop. With Accordance I have to constantly synching between app and desktop.
Another plus with Logos environment is that when i purchase a resource I can tell it right and then to load up to my app, no need to synch later or use the installer like I have to do with accordance.
With Accordance, you also have to have all your resources on the app to use them. For some that may seems like a straight advantage, but I disagree. I love the fact that with Logos I have access to almost ALL my resources regardless if I have them on my device or not. And for the ones that I may need offline I just download them. The only thing missing offline is the guides.
With Logos I can also do text comparison. Accordance app? nope.
In my opinion, Accordance app is close to be great, but it is just a good reader until they add those missing features. With Logos app I can easily use it to study on the go.
For me the bottom line is the overall experience across platform and study environment. Others are close but Logos is right there. So my money is invested in just one platform.
I still use Accordance and I do like it, but for quick searches and to search books I may not have in logos and for the map feature which is really nice.
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What's your issue with highlighting? how is Logos doing it right and the others are not? I highlight in OT Bible Reader on my iPad and it appear on my Mac computer app also. I can highlight all or part of a passage. I can underline and highlight. I tried to Attached is a screen shot of what I mean.
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I guess they could switch and use the "two finger swipe," but that would not be best for the majority of users.
Or they could do like OT, and make scroll or swipe a user switchable option.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I have two columns on a screen. When I scroll with 2 fingers the left column scrolls up and the verses on the right column starts to scroll, but ways until there is room and then pops to the bottom of the left. creating a very jerky motion.
I don't see this
When I scroll up in the left column, text from the top of the right moves across cleanly and is backfilled with more text scrolling up on the right.
What version of the Logos software are you using? Which version of iOS and which model iPad / iPhone?
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such as running any kind of guide (passage, bws, etc.)
I do not use Olive Tree so I don't know whether or not it can do bws or has passage guides. If it does not then it s not fair to compare the Logos desktop capabilities to the Logos app.
I thought we were only concerned with using the apps as readers.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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I do not use Olive Tree so I don't know whether or not it can do bws or has passage guides. If it does not then it s not fair to compare the Logos desktop capabilities to the Logos app.
I think its valid to refer to the fact that the Logos app requires Internet for functions such as Passage Guides and BWS. It is an issue which many people have raised.
I have no knowledge of how OT works in this regard.
I thought we were only concerned with using the apps as readers.
I think the discussion as around overall functionality.
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such as running any kind of guide (passage, bws, etc.)
I do not use Olive Tree so I don't know whether or not it can do bws or has passage guides. If it does not then it s not fair to compare the Logos desktop capabilities to the Logos app.
I thought we were only concerned with using the apps as readers.
Olive Tree has a second screen Resource Guide that continually updates depending on what section of verses are in the main screen. It also has pop ups, so when you tap on a word you can look up the word in Strong's or other lexicon you have installed. All function are don't by the app on the device (iPad, iPhone, or android device). Not needing a connection. i.e.. I don't need a connection for the guide to tell me I have resources that go with a section of scripture. The app does this automatically in the background.
Now, comparing desktop software is different. Logos, totally out does Olive tree in function and resources. The few things that olive tree has on logos is that it's fast, simple and works exactly like the iPad version. If you learn how to use it on the iPad it functions the exact same way in Windows and Mac. However, Olive tree doesn't have Reverse Interlinear Bibles. which I really like on Logos.
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I meant "All functions are done by the app on the device"
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I have two columns on a screen.
That isn't the default setting, so somehow you changed it.
what view settings are you speaking of.
When you are reading a book, Look for the "Aa" icon. If you don't see it, swipe one finger down to bring up the top & bottom menu items.
When I scroll with 2 fingers the left column scrolls up and the verses on the right column starts to scroll, but ways until there is room and then pops to the bottom of the left. creating a very jerky motion.
This mode really isn't for reading... it's for positioning the text for highlighting and note taking.
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I have two columns on a screen. When I scroll with 2 fingers the left column scrolls up and the verses on the right column starts to scroll, but ways until there is room and then pops to the bottom of the left. creating a very jerky motion.
I don't see this
When I scroll up in the left column, text from the top of the right moves across cleanly and is backfilled with more text scrolling up on the right.
What version of the Logos software are you using? Which version of iOS and which model iPad / iPhone?
Yes, but it's not smooth. It would be best for this to be a single column instead of two columns. Why have text scrolling from one column into the other before leaving the screen when you can simply just have a single column and scroll like most every other Bible app on the market. This is really just a work around for selecting. They really mean for people to swipe pages. What I don't understand is why they feel it necessary to force people in swiping pages instead of allowing people to simply scroll up and down. It would seem to me that scrolling a single column would be easier when dealing with the guides.
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I have two columns on a screen.
That isn't the default setting, so somehow you changed it.
what view settings are you speaking of.
When you are reading a book, Look for the "Aa" icon. If you don't see it, swipe one finger down to bring up the top & bottom menu items.
When I scroll with 2 fingers the left column scrolls up and the verses on the right column starts to scroll, but ways until there is room and then pops to the bottom of the left. creating a very jerky motion.
This mode really isn't for reading... it's for positioning the text for highlighting and note taking.
Thank you for all the info today, I didn't know about the 2 finger scrolling nor how to make it single column. I disliked the swiping pages functioning of the app so much that I rarely used it. Now, you've opened it up to my liking a little more. It still could be smoother and it still could do away with the internet connection and do the work on the device. But it's better. I'll have to play around with it more.
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I swore myself I would not get into any "this vs that" discussions, but I felt useful to share my experience choosing among apps and my reasons.
Thank you, David, for that extensive analysis. You expressed my feelings about Logos vs Accordance very well.
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