Plato & Aristotle in Loeb
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but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb
Oh little ewe,
You are my pet;
My pet, my thread,
I'll care for you!
So please don't yet
Drop down dead.
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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The restored pronunciation is based on Vox Graeca: The Pronunciation of Classical Greek and the work of WB Stanford and others.
Of course, there are no absolutes here, as you prolly well know; however, the evidence for the use of something like the "restored" in the context of Classical Greek, particularly in 5th century Athens, seems quite strong; it is, however, also used in the context of Homer in addition to Attic Greek. I am not sure if it is applied to Koine - I kind of doubt it is, but that's just an educated guess, as I haven't yet studied Koine. And of course, it's just an approximation and no doubt there will be further developments.
You might be interested in this.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Thanks George!
I think I'll start with looking into phonemic changes from Classical to Koine; get some audio around that; as well as get my hands on a transitional grammar. No doubt there are many. Probably many of them are on the old side, since this was the traditional progression: roughly, Homeric -> Attic -> Koine.
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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You might be interested in the Sophocles collection in CP—no, it's not the playwright.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Interesting - I've seen his name before but haven't till now known anything about him. How fascinating; these look like great resources. Bid placed.
Thanks George!
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Incidentally, for those interested, the two Homeric Dictionaries worth having are:
- Cunliffe's A Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect (still under copywrite)
- Autenrieth's Homeric Lexicon (public domain)
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Incidentally, for those interested, the two Homeric Dictionaries worth having are:
- Cunliffe's A Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect (still under copywrite)
- Autenrieth's Homeric Lexicon (public domain)
~Butters
We're planning on listing Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary on community pricing next week.
Pharr's Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners was listed this afternoon. Please bid! [:)]
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We're planning on listing Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary on community pricing next week.
Pharr's Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners was listed this afternoon. Please bid!
Hah! Well, that is fantastic Mike! Very glad to hear all that.
Shall place bid immediately.
Please let us know about Plato & Aristotle whenever - if ever - you have any info!
Cheers!
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Thanks, Mike! Very excited! *smile* Just bid! Peace!Incidentally, for those interested, the two Homeric Dictionaries worth having are:
- Cunliffe's A Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect (still under copywrite)
- Autenrieth's Homeric Lexicon (public domain)
~Butters
We're planning on listing Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary on community pricing next week.
Pharr's Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners was listed this afternoon. Please bid!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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We're planning on listing Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary on community pricing next week.
Pharr's Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners was listed this afternoon. Please bid!
Hah! Well, that is fantastic Mike! Very glad to hear all that.
Shall place bid immediately.
Please let us know about Plato & Aristotle whenever - if ever - you have any info!
Cheers!
~Butters
We thought we'd hold off on listing the Loeb editons of Plato and Aristotle since we listed English editions of each earlier this year. Your enthusiasm is causing me to reconsider though, so I've placed it on my list to research. As soon as I have further news I'll let you know.
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We thought we'd hold off on listing the Loeb editons of Plato and Aristotle since we listed English editions of each earlier this year. Your enthusiasm is causing me to reconsider though, so I've placed it on my list to research. As soon as I have further news I'll let you know.
Thanks Mike! I do understand about the English versions; however, it seems to me that the original language texts are of particular value here, given their central place in the western philosophical tradition, not to mention their intimate relation to Christian theology on many levels.
Cheers,
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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I wrote this elsewhere to the question of why Plato's Dialogues are important; particularly to Christians. I thought I'd put it up here for anyone who is interested:
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Plato's dialogues are immensely profound; and are highly useful for Christians and Catholics.
1. They teach people how to think and argue; how to ask questions and how to address them;
2. The Republic is primarily a work about ethics (most of what Plato wrote was really about ethics); about what man is, what his ends are, and in what the good life consists;
3. Plato (and Socrates) was concerned with refuting the Sophists - who were the epistemological and ethical relativists of the time; and for which there are very strong parallels in our contemporary world.
4. Socrates was a theological genius; and thereafter, Plato put forth a revolutionary idea, that of transcendent reality. Ever since Plato, the deepest division in the West - a war still being fought - is between those who believe there is only this here; and those who believe in a transcendent reality.
5. Socrates and Plato have so profoundly informed what we believe and think about so many things, that Whitehead wasn't exaggerating much to say that every philosopher since is really a mere footnote.
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I could go on and on; and could easily say as much if not more for Aristotle.
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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One more thing and I'll [:#] it.
Plato's philosophy is almost poetry; it's sheer revolutionary genius, it's penetrating wisdom, it's exuberant language, is enough to make you want to learn Ancient Greek to read it in the original, which I highly recommend.
~Butter [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary has been made available on community pricing.
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Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary has been made available on community pricing.
This is a truly excellent resource!
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Thanks Mike! I do understand about the English versions; however, it seems to me that the original language texts are of particular value here, given their central place in the western philosophical tradition, not to mention their intimate relation to Christian theology on many levels.
You lied; you said you wouldn't mention it. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Peace, Mike! Thank you so very kindly! *smile* I am absolutely delighted!
Psalm 29:11
Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary has been made available on community pricing.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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The Loeb edition of Aristotle's works (all that are in the public domain) is currently available on community pricing. Plato's works are on their way and should be listed next week.
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Wow, that is simply excellent Mike! I am very, very excited! Blessings be upon ye sir!
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Welcome back, Butters. I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. You're the Butters on my bread. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Welcome back, Butters. I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. You're the Butters on my bread.
Hey George! [:D] Thanks, I've just been busy. And besides, I'm afraid that being the Butters on your bread means yer gonna eat me up! [:O]
~Butters [:)]
P.S. - love the St. George avatar!
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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For the Aristotle and Plato, if you really want to see it ever get in production, and not languish like all the other Loeb sets that aren't specifically related to Christianity (or perhaps Homer or Caesar), please consider jumping in at something other than the very minimum possible bid.
It's 40 volumes of Greek and English. I'm in at 150.
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I agree Greg - indeed, I'd be willing to pay twice that. My understanding, however slight that is, is that a higher bidding price will scare other potential bidders away. Then again, maybe it's such a narrow market that bidding will have to be higher.
Please, anyone with advice chime in.
Cheers,
~Butters
For the Aristotle and Plato, if you really want to see it ever get in production, and not languish like all the other Loeb sets that aren't specifically related to Christianity (or perhaps Homer or Caesar), please consider jumping in at something other than the very minimum possible bid.
It's 40 volumes of Greek and English. I'm in at 150.
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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I'm in at $120. I think $3/vol on CP is about as high as I care to go though I might be persuaded to increase it later.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Okay, I changed mine to $150 - if anyone thinks that will be too high and will scare off potential bidders, please do let me know.
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Do not despair about the Loeb collections. I estimate that many will go into production, several early next year, based on bidding habits that I've observed on them thus far. I'm keeping a very close eye on these collections, and we've begun to promote them in creative ways among the Logos user base with good results.
Once Noet.com has e-commerce added to the site, which we're working on, we'll be able to bring in more users that would otherwise not purchase these texts from Logos.com. When that day comes, your help in spreading the word will be much appreciated.
I'm excited about Noet. We've set a good foundation for its success this year in terms of product development, and I'm excited for this coming year.
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The Loeb edition of Aristotle's works (all that are in the public domain) is currently available on community pricing.
1) What works are missing, compared to the edition we already have?
2) Any works that are added, compared to the edition we already have?
3) How do the translations compare?
(Yes, I could painstakingly do all these comparisons myself, but I'm short on time, and I bet someone has already done them.[:)])
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Just a quick note that the Loeb Classical Library editions of Plato's works (those in the public domain) are now listed on community pricing:
And in case you missed it earlier, here's the link to the Loeb Aristotle collection:
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Truly wonderful Mike. Thank you. Bid placed.
~Butters [:)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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What ! You're late to the party, Butters. I would have thought you were already in.Truly wonderful Mike. Thank you. Bid placed.
~Butters
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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