Babylonian Talmud, Soncino English Translation
I've compiled a set of DOCX files for a PB of the Soncino translation and notes to the Babylonian Talmud. (As of Sept. 1, 2014 the main remaining work would be to tag the tractates, chapters and dafs with Babylonian Talmud milestones and any referring datatype links; however, they are all fully marked with headings.) Any corrections are welcome. A macro to include milestones should be pretty easy, but if someone beats me to developing, all the better.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0xq6rqkxnba4re/SoncinoTalmud140901.zip?dl=0
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Dudley C. Rose said:
I've compiled a set of DOCX files for a PB of the Soncino translation and notes to the Babylonian Talmud
Thank you for your work in compiling this. Appreciated.
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WOW! Cool, & THANK YOU!
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Thanks a lot.
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Thanks a lot!
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Wow.... It is good now, and if/when it is tagged... Wow... We are in your debt.
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Here's a link to the folder that contains the zip folder. Should make it easier to get updates. Sorry I didn't think of it the first time.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1fl95nebt1k5ua7/AACVF-HEZ3-JgtPcCLjONa0ga?dl=0
One unfinished thing I failed to mention is hyper-linking the footnotes for the introductions and prefaces. The footnotes in all the tractates themselves work as far as I know. The introductions etc, come from HTML files, and the footnotes are a bit of a pain. But we're talking about a very few files and comparatively unimportant notes, which are all there but just not hyper-linked. I have attempted to clean up any Biblical references in these introductory files.
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It's pbb's like this that make me wish I was better at tagging.
Thanks for providing this!! [Y]
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Just to let you know, I'm finding issues with a few tractates in which some of the headings weren't correctly rendered in the PDF conversion. I'll post a new set of files within a few days. Meanwhile the posted files are usable--just in a few areas the navigation will be missing.
I've also begun putting in the folio milestones.
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Thank you![Y]
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This is so useful. Thank you very much.
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Wow, this is great! Lookng forward to updates!
Would someone know of a/some good indexes to the Talmud (scripture, thematic, etc)
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Would someone know of a/some good indexes to the Talmud (scripture, thematic, etc)
SUGGESTION: HaMafteach -- the first ever index to the Talmud
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Finally have a new set of DOCX files, which correct a number of issues in several files.
Remaining: 1. Talmud milestones (a few are done), 2. I know there are some Biblical references the script didn't pick up. I'll fix them as I see them. I also welcome others to help, and 3. I have no doubt that there are many errant paragraph breaks and other formatting cleanup to be done.
Please let me know any problems, and I'll do the best I can to correct them.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1fl95nebt1k5ua7/AACVF-HEZ3-JgtPcCLjONa0ga?dl=0
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Thank you! Book is building as I write...
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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I GREATLY appreciate your work.
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BillS said:
Thank you! Book is building as I write...
And... no errors, even if 500+ warnings...
1st glance, looks great! THANKS again!
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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AMAZING! THANKS!
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Thanks for keeping this file available. I just stumbled on to it. Thanks for the great contribution!
D.
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You're most welcome.
Dave L said:Thanks for keeping this file available. I just stumbled on to it. Thanks for the great contribution!
D.
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Wow this is awesome! Thank you!!!
If I could... I've never used the Talmud before and I was curious how I would go about looking up items in it. I included an image below because I remember hearing that working on the Sabbath is not allowed. Is there a way to use this to find that? I noticed the names and chapters don't match up from whatever translation logos is using
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Mattillo - There are a few hurdles you'll need to overcome to connect the references in the Logos Neusner translation that your Logos search gives to the same section in Soncino PBB.
1) In the kind of search that matches a Biblical text with topics and sections in other resources, such as the Talmud, Logos will refer to official Logos resources, in this case Jacob Neusner's translation of the Talmud. There are two the Babylonian and the Jerusalem. in the screenshot below the section of references to the Babylonian Talmud are preceded b. So the first one points to the Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 16:2. References to the Jerusalem Talmud are preceded by y. The first one in that section is to Kilayim 1:6. (FYI, The Babylonian Talmud is considered authoritative.)
2) Neusner's sectioning (Tractate Shabbat 16:2, for example) is not the same way the Soncino version divides the text. Soncino uses the more common Talmudic pagination in which each page is a 2-sided Vilna, numbered # a and b. So the location Shabbat 16:2 in Neusner is found beginning a paragraph into Shabbath 117B in the Soncino (note also the slightly different spelling of the Tractate).
3) Neusner is actually indexed by both pagination systems, but the Soncino indexing doesn't appear in most searches. If you have Logos's Neusner translation, you can reasonably easily match up his references with the Soncino locations. Without owning Neusner that's pretty hard to do.
4) Another option is to open the Soncino Talmud and use the Logos Cited By tool to find the places in open resources, in this case the Talmud, which refer to a particular scripture passage. The Soncino is pretty good about footnoting where the Talmud is making Biblical references. So, for example if you run Cited By for Exodus 20:8-11, you will find several Concino Talmudic references, including Shabbath 117b.
Hope this helps. Unless you own Neusner, 4) will be your best bet, I think.
Mattillo said:If I could... I've never used the Talmud before and I was curious how I would go about looking up items in it. I included an image below because I remember hearing that working on the Sabbath is not allowed. Is there a way to use this to find that? I noticed the names and chapters don't match up from whatever translation logos is using
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That is very helpful. Thank you Mr. Rose. I'll try those tonight!
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Somehow I missed this thread before. Thank you for sharing!
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WOW!!!
Amazing job, thanks very much!!!!
My only question is how it should be compiled... as commentary maybe?
Blessings,
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I just compiled it as a monograph.
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My thanks also for your kindness in sharing this text.[Y]
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I found a very easy solution for this. Just tag all headings in this format: [[@BabylonianTalmudFolio:b. Sanhedrin 22A]]. This allows that all links going to b. Sanhedrin 22a will open the right page. Here is an example that I compiled from Masekhet Berachot:
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Mendel Itkin said:
I found a very easy solution for this. Just tag all headings in this format: [[@BabylonianTalmudFolio:b. Sanhedrin 22A]]. This allows that all links going to b. Sanhedrin 22a will open the right page. Here is an example that I compiled from Masekhet Berachot:
Thank you for working on this. I take it that you have automatically tagged the headings with the milestone. I'm not exactly sure how you did this; if you can let us know that would be excellent. The only problem I see is that once the heading (in this example, Sanhedrin 22A) is enclosed in the milestone markup, it no longer functions as a heading. The compiled Logos document doesn't have the Logos TOC, and the heading doesn't appear in the text. Do you have a simple way of creating [[@BabylonianTalmudFolio:b. Sanhedrin 22A]] Sanhedrin 22A, where the text outside the milestone (Sanhedrin 22A) 1) appears in the compiled text, 2) remains a heading and 3) keeps its heading level. I've resisted marking the text with milestones until I learn an easy way to automatically add them and still retain the heading properties.
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Dudley C Rose said:
if you can let us know that would be excellent.
Word has a search and replace function, which I find horrible to work with but it's working.
Dudley C Rose said:The compiled Logos document doesn't have the Logos TOC, and the heading doesn't appear in the text.
Do you mean like that?
I am working now on the Steinsaltz Talmud from Sefaria, should be ready in couple hours.
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