Babylonian Talmud, Soncino English Translation

Finally have a new set of DOCX files, which correct a number of issues in several files. 

Remaining: 1. Talmud milestones (a few are done), 2. I know there are some Biblical references the script didn't pick up. I'll fix them as I see them. I also welcome others to help, and 3. I have no doubt that there are many errant paragraph breaks and other formatting cleanup to be done.

Please let me know any problems, and I'll do the best I can to correct them.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1fl95nebt1k5ua7/AACVF-HEZ3-JgtPcCLjONa0ga?dl=0 

You're most welcome.

Dave L said:

Thanks for keeping this file available. I just stumbled on to it. Thanks for the great contribution!

D.

Mattillo - There are a few hurdles you'll need to overcome to connect the references in the Logos Neusner translation that your Logos search gives to the same section in Soncino PBB.

1) In the kind of search that matches a Biblical text with topics and sections in other resources, such as the Talmud, Logos will refer to official Logos resources, in this case Jacob Neusner's translation of the Talmud. There are two the Babylonian and the Jerusalem. in the screenshot below the section of references to the Babylonian Talmud are preceded b. So the first one points to the Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 16:2. References to the Jerusalem Talmud are preceded by y. The first one in that section is to Kilayim 1:6. (FYI, The Babylonian Talmud is considered authoritative.)

2) Neusner's sectioning (Tractate Shabbat 16:2, for example) is not the same way the Soncino version divides the text. Soncino uses the more common Talmudic pagination in which each page is a 2-sided Vilna, numbered # a and b. So the location Shabbat 16:2 in Neusner is found beginning a paragraph into Shabbath 117B in the Soncino (note also the slightly different spelling of the Tractate).

3) Neusner is actually indexed by both pagination systems, but the Soncino indexing doesn't appear in most searches. If you have Logos's Neusner translation, you can reasonably easily match up his references with the Soncino locations. Without owning Neusner that's pretty hard to do.

4) Another option is to open  the Soncino Talmud and use the Logos Cited By tool to find the places in open resources, in this case the Talmud, which refer to a particular scripture passage. The Soncino is pretty good about footnoting where the Talmud is making Biblical references. So, for example if you run Cited By for Exodus 20:8-11, you will find several Concino Talmudic references, including Shabbath 117b.

Hope this helps. Unless you own Neusner, 4) will be your best bet, I think.

Mattillo said:

If I could... I've never used the Talmud before and I was curious how I would go about looking up items in it.  I included an image below because I remember hearing that working on the Sabbath is not allowed.  Is there a way to use this to find that? I noticed the names and chapters don't match up from whatever translation logos is using

I just compiled it as a monograph.

Mendel Itkin said:

Do you mean like that? 

2818.1_01_Berachoth.docx

Hi Mendel. Yes, that's what I want.

I'm a little obtuse, I think. I have used MS Word search and replace, but I can't quite figure out a search that finds all headings of Berachoth * and replaces it with [[@BabylonianTalmudFolio:B. Berakhot *]] B. Berakhot *. 

Thanks to Mendel's help, I was motivated to add milestones to the Soncino. The Soncino has several sections that are just Mishnah and no Gemara, so they aren't included in the Logos Babylonian Talmud milestones. For those I used the Mishnah milestones. For reasons I don't understand I couldn't get Tebul-Yom to accept a milestone, so that one has just the chapter headings. 

Let me know if you find anything else afoul. One other question. Is there a way to remove or mark the previous links above as out of date? 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/avd8icoo4u7dal1/Soncino%20Babylonian%20Talmud.zip?dl=0 

Mendel Itkin said:

. Do the mishna by Logos? 

The Neusner Mishna by Logos has the milestone, so I don't know what gives.

Wow, that's good. I don't know how you thought of that! I had tried a ton of spellings, including putting in and leaving out a dash between the words, but it never occurred to me to abbreviate Tebul to T. Thank you, I'll fix the tractate and re-post the files. It will probably have to wait until tomorrow, though.

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