Why are not User Manuals Free?
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I was the same way until I started losing my eyesight. I can no longer see the printed page so videos are my only option.Antonius said:Taxee said:I can learn at least 5 times as fast with a manual than with a video course.
Please Faithlife, focus on helping your customers use your products better.
I am the same way, the videos are good, but I learn a lot faster with a manual.
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Charlene said:
The major point of these posts is to show that many Logos users feel that Logos should provide a FREE manual with its software. So I was just stating that my preference would be a hard copy as well as a digital copy.
How about Logos providing a Personal Book version and a printable PDF version of the user manual? That way there is no expense to ship manuals to everyone.
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Super.Tramp said:Charlene said:
The major point of these posts is to show that many Logos users feel that Logos should provide a FREE manual with its software. So I was just stating that my preference would be a hard copy as well as a digital copy.
How about Logos providing a Personal Book version and a printable PDF version of the user manual? That way there is no expense to ship manuals to everyone.
That is exactly what I want...I thought I had stated that somewhere...but who knows where, I don't have a clue![:)]
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Charlene said:Super.Tramp said:Charlene said:
The major point of these posts is to show that many Logos users feel that Logos should provide a FREE manual with its software. So I was just stating that my preference would be a hard copy as well as a digital copy.
How about Logos providing a Personal Book version and a printable PDF version of the user manual? That way there is no expense to ship manuals to everyone.
That is exactly what I want...I thought I had stated that somewhere...but who knows where, I don't have a clue!
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https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.1
Logos 6.1
Features
Help
The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource. It will appear in the “Updated Resources” dropdown on the Home Page.
- Logos Help is searchable, including Inline Search, to make it easier to find relevant articles.
- We are in the process of updating the Help with more comprehensive information, at a later date. The current version of Help has a date of October/November 2014.
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Dan Francis said:
https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.1
Logos 6.1
Features
Help
The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource. It will appear in the “Updated Resources” dropdown on the Home Page.
- Logos Help is searchable, including Inline Search, to make it easier to find relevant articles.
- We are in the process of updating the Help with more comprehensive information, at a later date. The current version of Help has a date of October/November 2014.
I don't know what this means. What drop "updated resources" down box? Does anyone have a screen shot of this functionality?
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Claude Brown Jr said:
I don't know what this means. What drop "updated resources" down box? Does anyone have a screen shot of this functionality?
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Claude Brown Jr said:
I don't know what this means. What drop "updated resources" down box? Does anyone have a screen shot of this functionality?
Here is a screen shot of what this means.
Edit: I posted this before I saw Scott's post.
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Dan Francis said:
The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource. It will appear in the “Updated Resources” dropdown on the Home Page.
Thanks for the screen shots but I was really talking about is the phrase "The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource" The updated resources dropdown is not a new functionality and there is no "The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) in that dropdown box. updated resources yes but no Logos Help, just a list of updated resources as usual. Or am I still missing something?
By the way the items that they update are a little disconcerting since it seems that either they are constantly being repaired or updated since purchase. It reminds me of the Microsoft model of charge them and then repair the product along the way upgrade get more funding and then continue to repair up to the next upgrade. Or am I still missing something?
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Claude Brown Jr said:Dan Francis said:
The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource. It will appear in the “Updated Resources” dropdown on the Home Page.
Thanks for the screen shots but I was really talking about is the phrase "The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource" The updated resources dropdown is not a new functionality and there is no "The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) in that dropdown box. updated resources yes but no Logos Help, just a list of updated resources as usual. Or am I still missing something?
By the way the items that they update are a little disconcerting since it seems that either they are constantly being repaired or updated since purchase. It reminds me of the Microsoft model of charge them and then repair the product along the way upgrade get more funding and then continue to repair up to the next upgrade. Or am I still missing something?
I think I got it. Did they intend to say "...from the command box, type help and the drop down box and help will appear like a personal book"?
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Claude Brown Jr said:
"The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource"
Thankful can open "Logos Help" resource (which has Table of Contents) and Help at the same time:
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Dan Francis said:
https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6.1
Logos 6.1
Features
Help
The Logos Help (from the Help menu, or F1) will now appear in your Library as a Logos resource. It will appear in the “Updated Resources” dropdown on the Home Page.
- Logos Help is searchable, including Inline Search, to make it easier to find relevant articles.
- We are in the process of updating the Help with more comprehensive information, at a later date. The current version of Help has a date of October/November 2014.
This is a bad idea for new users who are at least savvy enough to know that when Windows or Mac software has a help menu you look there for help.
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I'm very curious how exactly they propose to maintain this resource. I already built a PB from their help file, complete with headers, TOC, etc.
But when I was doing that, I knew I'd be 'up a creek without a paddle' the minute they updated Logos with anything significant ... all my highlights would potentially be 'lost in space'. So I figured to use it for just learning, with the assumption of dumping everything with Logos updates.
But .... we shall see. Maybe each major update, they destroy your help highlights, notes, etc. Clean slate. Even multiple help resources effectively dumps all your notes and highlights.
It'll be interesting.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Maybe each major update, they destroy your help highlights, notes, etc. Clean slate.
May it never be! Your content (ie, what you typed in the note) will not be destroyed by resource updates, but the note itself may become unattached. If you take a note or highlight in particular version of a help resource, and then we update that resource such that the text you took the note/highlight on no longer exists, or is no longer in the same place, we'll a) try to find the text in the same article if we can and attach the note there, and if not, b) the note/highlight will remain in the note file where it was saved, but as an unattached note (I guess that's what you mean by "lost in space").
This is the same process that happens when we fix typos in any resource -- and Logos is better than most other readers in this respect. The only difference is that help files normally see more extensive edits than typo fixes. But even if we add whole articles, we should be able to keep notes you've taken intact and in place for the most part.
Denise said:Even multiple help resources effectively dumps all your notes and highlights.
Unfortunately, any notes you've taken on Denise's PBB will not be automatically transferred over to the official Help resource, because they're different resources. You can use the new "edit attachments" feature in L6 to change the attachment point for each note: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92683.aspx
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
This is a bad idea for new users who are at least savvy enough to know that when Windows or Mac software has a help menu you look there for help
The Help menu is still there and still shows Help.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
This is a bad idea for new users
I think that this is a great idea. A new user will quite quickly find how the help function is dealt with in Logos.
Having this as a searchable resource is the first step in producing a user manual, which IMHO is one of the biggest gaps in the Logos software at present.Hopefully, this will develop into the long requested comprehensive user manual.
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Just help me understand this. I typed "kindle" in the help box just as a test case, as I set up my "send to kindle" yesterday using instructions from the forums. I did eventually accomplish this but took awhile. As far as my search of help knows, the word does not exist. If this is an inline search, than I assume there is no help to accomplish "send to kindle" in the help files? Is this correct? Does this help window truly search the entire contents of help files and is it being updated?
Thanks, just struggling to accomplish more on logos and looking for all the help I can get.Windows PC - Android Phone - Surface Pro 4
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Michael March said:
Just help me understand this. I typed "kindle" in the help box just as a test case, as I set up my "send to kindle" yesterday using instructions from the forums. I did eventually accomplish this but took awhile. As far as my search of help knows, the word does not exist. If this is an inline search, than I assume there is no help to accomplish "send to kindle" in the help files? Is this correct? Does this help window truly search the entire contents of help files and is it being updated? Thanks, just struggling to accomplish more on logos and looking for all the help I can get.
Hello, Michael. I'm sorry, there isn't a help article on "Send to Kindle" right now. We've written one and it will be included in the next update of the help resource, which will be coming very soon. In the meantime, https://www.logos.com/training/logos6/desktop/send-to-kindle is probably the best official documentation. There are some forum threads, too. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92620.aspx
The Help tool searches and displays exactly the same content as the Help resource that can be opened in the library. (If you own both Verbum and Logos, you may have multiple help resources in your library, and the Help tool only searches one of them.)
We will be updating this resource frequently and soon.
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Thank you, Eli!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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thank you. Yours is a tremendously helpful program to support weekly Bible Studies and sermons and I appreciate the continued labor to make it even better. This is one pastor whose ministry is greatly enhanced by your efforts, and the blessing is then multiplied to others.
I will keep checking the help files as needed...
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
This is a bad idea for new users who are at least savvy enough to know that when Windows or Mac software has a help menu you look there for help.
I respectfully disagree the question mark should be clue enough for anyone who has used a computer very long and now typing help in your Library window will take you the resource seems very intuitive (but I may be a very poor example as I found dragging a disk to the trash can on an old mac a logical way to eject a disk). I would agree a person who is introduced to computers and immediately gets Logos might be at a disadvantage but this seems to me to likely be a very small minority of users.
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Dan Francis said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
This is a bad idea for new users who are at least savvy enough to know that when Windows or Mac software has a help menu you look there for help.
I respectfully disagree the question mark should be clue enough for anyone who has used a computer very long and now typing help in your Library window will take you the resource seems very intuitive (but I may be a very poor example as I found dragging a disk to the trash can on an old mac a logical way to eject a disk). I would agree a person who is introduced to computers and immediately gets Logos might be at a disadvantage but this seems to me to likely be a very small minority of users.
-dan
Good news: Both ways of accessing Help are available now, and will be for the foreseeable future.
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Eli Evans said:
Good news: Both ways of accessing Help are available now, and will be for the foreseeable future.
And it is especially useful now that an inline search can be done. [Y]
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Inline search in Help--a wonderful discovery! Thanks.
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Eli Evans said:
Good news: Both ways of accessing Help are available now, and will be for the foreseeable future
That's good. I misunderstood a previous comment to say these would replace the help menu.
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That should not be a reason to increase the price!!
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