Infographics: Your thoughts?
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)
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Should I? You've got me there Bob...
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Bob Pritchett said:
You should have a beta version of the Logos Bible Software Infographics resource. What do you think? Good idea? Enough topical coverage, or should we have more? Are they okay for PowerPoint, or do we need to customize them even further for that format?
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)Bob,
no idea what you're talking about......
I have sent an image to powerpoint. I don't think that I'd ever use this feature. Copy and paste works fine.
Didn't try saving. I'll give it a go.
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Same here I have no idea what this is, nothing comes up in library and no reference to it in help file either..
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AndrewMckenzie said:
I have no idea what this is, nothing comes up in library and no reference to it in help file either.
Here's the resource:
Here's an example:
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Phil,
Do we have this resource in Beta 1 or not? The first few of us can't seem to find it in our programs and screenshots of an open resource are of no use to those of us who have asked what Bob wants us to give feeback on.0 -
The Infographics resource should be in your library. I found it there under the library tab, have not found a shortcut, but really haven't looked either...
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Phil Gons said:AndrewMckenzie said:
I have no idea what this is, nothing comes up in library and no reference to it in help file either.
Here's the resource:
Here's an example:
Still can't find it Phil... Frank can you post a screen shot of it showing up in the library i.e. what is the title because Infographics yields nothing. I also tried Logos Bible Software Infographics that I can see in Phils screen dump and that yields nothing... is this something that was included as part of the orginal downloads or something added later as an update and that I would not pick up since I have synch turned off because it is not working properly for me because of timezone issues ... I'm clutching at straws here as to what's going on because I can not see this or timelines for that matter.....
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Andrew, I went to the Library tab and then sorted by author, then went to Logos and it was under the Logos author heading. Not sure how to do a screen shot...
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Not in my library
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FrankSauer said:
Andrew, I went to the Library tab and then sorted by author, then went to Logos and it was under the Logos author heading. Not sure how to do a screen shot...
When I do that this is what I see. interestingly the only resource I found under Logos needs to be updated so I'm showing a picture. The instructional graphic will need to match updated to the 4.0
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FrankSauer said:
Andrew, I went to the Library tab and then sorted by author, then went to Logos and it was under the Logos author heading. Not sure how to do a screen shot...
Thanks Frank I can't find it this way either....
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AndrewMckenzie said:FrankSauer said:
Andrew, I went to the Library tab and then sorted by author, then went to Logos and it was under the Logos author heading. Not sure how to do a screen shot...
Thanks Frank I can't find it this way either....
Frank are you on download or DVD ?
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Just finished the DVD install, don't have access to the machine I still have the download install on, so I'm not sure whether it's on there or not.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Apparently the infographics didn't make it to everyone's install, but we know why and you should see them around the time of Beta 2. Sorry!
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Bob Pritchett said:
Apparently the infographics didn't make it to everyone's install, but we know why and you should see them around the time of Beta 2. Sorry!
Thans for the update... the joys of beta testing ... no problem.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Are they okay for PowerPoint, or do we need to customize them even further for that format?
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)I have it on my DVD install. I have no menu appear on right-click. I can't copy them either.
They seem helpful for powerpoint, but some of them aren't the right aspect and some of them are too specific for some general use...but that's ok.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Bob,
I have the infographics, but no right click ability. I think it would be useful to easily send to PowerPoint. Very useful actually.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Bob Pritchett said:
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)Bob,
I love the save file option. This is perfect. Have you considered metadata - such as bookname etc. so that we can give credit where credit is due....?
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It didn't get to my install unfortunately, but it certainly looks interesting.
I lookforward to Beta2
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AndrewMckenzie said:
Thanks Frank I can't find it this way either....FrankSauer said:Andrew, I went to the Library tab and then sorted by author, then went to Logos and it was under the Logos author heading. Not sure how to do a screen shot...
Andrew, et al. I found it by typing Infographics in the command bar. I have the DVD install, but also installed the additional downloadable resources (before I knew I didn't need to). I don't see how to export to PPT, but don't have PPT either. It may be nice to export to OpenOffice's or WordPerfect's (or even SongShow Plus') presentation programs.
It's a nice but fairly small graphical library. Hopefully it will be expanded.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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What about giving us a link to download the resource by the update separately?
Bohuslav
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Bob Pritchett said:
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)
Bob, I have the resource, but right clicking does nothing. No menu appears. It doesn't matter where I click on the screen: graphic, title, ToC, etc.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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That's a bug. You should see the right-click options on people graphs and other places, but it's broken in "media resources", which is how we display the infographics.
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Looks like I got it with my DVD install.
My opinion(s)...somewhat stream of consciousness-esque.
- Many (not all) of the images that are in there are nice and useful.
- Of course, more is always better. However, keeping the bar high wrt the quality of images included is important. I don't think you want this degenerating into yet-another-Bible-clipart collection. It seems to me that keeping this resource valuable (i.e. not exhausting its purpose) would have to be a continual effort. I've always loved the Holman Book of Biblical Charts, Maps, and Reconstructions...and have used them extensively in my teaching. Of course, its on prepub as part of the Holman collection. It seems like possibly with the addition of Holman and other similar resources to the Logos "arsenal" another "in-house" developed resource of the same genre might be unnecessary.
- Somewhat related to comment #2...not to presume that I know where Logos' (as a company) strengths lie...but when I look at the things that go into the Logos value proposition, you've got two primary facets, 1) Content and 2) Tools for managing/manipulating content. On #1, Logos has and does excel at getting abundant print content into digital format. Logos also does well (and continues to improve) with providing the tools ala #2. So...Logos' strengths appear to be...getting the content digitized in a usable fashion (e.g. interlinking, etc.) and building tools for efficient search, organziation, maniuplation and visualization of resource data. I may be missing something, but this resource doesn't seem to cater to / leverage those strengths.
- It seems like the purpose for a resource like this is twofold (with some overlap)...1) It's yet another visualization tool for sifting through and organizing all of the data that the Bible contains (of course in this case - it isn't exactly configurable)...so valuable for study purposes 2) A resource for use in lesson preparation (i.e. teaching aid). For this resource to be good, does one goal need to supercede another? Just a question.
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Got them on my DVD install and just found it a short time ago. Like the images, more would be nice. Plan to look closer to give more feed back.
In Christ
Ken
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Bob Pritchett said:
Apparently the infographics didn't make it to everyone's install, but we know why and you should see them around the time of Beta 2. Sorry!
Oh BUMMER!!!! [:'(] I was getting so excited when I saw this....please release Beta 2 TODAY!....or else let us download it today to play with it! [:D]
Charlene
Charlene
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Bob Pritchett said:
That's a bug. You should see the right-click options on people graphs and other places, but it's broken in "media resources", which is how we display the infographics.
I discovered this resource initially when one appeared on the Home section. Nice. They would be greatly helpful. As noted here the right click does nothing, so I was going to ask about that but a search on "infograhics" brought up this thread instead.
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Do I have a bug? I have Infographics, and I actually have Beta 2 now, and I still can't right click on any of the graphics, let alone send to PowerPoint.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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Fred,
Obviously it's still broken as per Bob's reply a few messages above. If you open another resource with pistures, you should find the option with those images to save the image under a name of your choice or to "send to powerpoint"
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I like the ifographics resource. Very useful. Thanks
Mac Pro 13 Retina 8GB, 256 flash
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Bob Pritchett said:
You should have a beta version of the Logos Bible Software Infographics resource. What do you think? Good idea? Enough topical coverage, or should we have more? Are they okay for PowerPoint, or do we need to customize them even further for that format?
(Have you tried right-click on a graphic to save or send to PowerPoint?)First reaction: Way cool! And from what I've seen accurate!
For example after teaching for years on the Armor of God and Paul's likely source material being a regular old Roman soldier, I weary of seeing graphics with Roman Commanders armor or even of non-Roman armor. (Or of armor with no backs and the argument that "this is proof that God doesn't want us to retreat!" Whatever... But here you go on the first item is a proper first century Roman foot soldier's armor, including a proper Lorica Segmentata/breastplate and scutum/shield with a note about rear protection! Thank you for accuracy! I haven't looked at all other graphics yet but that simple observation bolsters my confidence in everything else this resource will hold.
Testing:
I love that you can left click and drag left or right and the next pic in line shows up. That is another great interface move. HOWEVER.... I have a mouse with a wheel that tilts to send signals. It would be nice if the tilt of the wheel caused the pictures to change pages too. (Also rolling the mouse wheel has no effect.)
Right clicking Must be a bug because it isn't working. (logs attached.) However I have some concern over the graphic sizes for export to powerpoint and a further observation. The typical view of most of the graphics is portrait, whereas powerpoint is typically landscape. That distinction should be noted, and if necessary changed. Also the text is likely to be extremely too small for powerpoint presentation. Here's an example:
The Biblical units and measurments page, if presented as one graphic for powerpoint would be too hard to see, but if each of the four measurements represented were a single slide for powerpoint, well then you have something useful. Just a thought.
My concern is that I do not use powerpoint. I use OpenOffice.org Impress which writes and reads PPT files just fine without costing me an arm and a leg. I know you do not have to support every rogue piece of software out there, but I'm concerned that the right click export to powerpoint may not work with impress, and I'm hoping that a working right click will enable me to simply copy the graphic to the clipboard for pasting into my program of choice.
Now then as for the question, Is it enough? Of course not. :-) We always want more, but this is a great resource.
And that is my 2¢
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hi everybody
I love this resource . I didn't realise there were arrows on the left and right side
to move to the next page is there a way you could make these more visible somehow
mick[:)]
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Looks great - good for teaching purposes.
I don't have a right click menu with Save options though.
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Bob,
Good idea and some of these would be useful, though of course I would like to see more. I use Keynote so export to Powerpoint would not be useful to me, but if right-click will allow saving the images it will be easy enough to put it in Keynote. Like others, right-click does nothing for me, but I noticed your message about that.
Perhaps tag the info box at the bottom left so the topic will open a dictionary or some such.
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MICHAEL PARRY-THOMAS said:
I love this resource . I didn't realise there were arrows on the left and right side
to move to the next page is there a way you could make these more visible somehow
You can also click in the resource and drag left or right to move from one graphic to another.
Btw, the context menu issue has been reported.
Melissa
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Melissa Snyder said:
You can also click in the resource and drag left or right to move from one graphic to another.
Btw, the context menu issue has been reported.
Melissa
This works great on a tablet. It would be nice to have a zoom slider for tablet navigation. Also in Biblical Places, Things and People, too.
Mentioned in another thread http://community.logos.com/forums/t/1304.aspx
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Very nice!
More of the same please!
And of course...the right-click ability [:D]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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What I saw looked ok but on my laptop monitor it was kind of small. I tried Reading View and the first time nothing happened; the second time F11 and Logos4 crashed. Log file attached.5280.Logos4log.zip">http://community.logos.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/73/5280.Logos4log.zip:550:0]
Tom
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From what can be seen of the graphics provided, they appear to be a valuable new addition to the Logos product. Personally, I hope that there are many more to come. I would be happy to pay for add-on packs of graphics related to different subject matters or books of the bible.
What sort of rights do we the end users have in the reproduction of these graphics? I can't find any extra information about permissions related to print or display.
Is alphabetic ordering the best way to present these? Would it be better to order these according to book of the bible?
Well done and here's hoping for more....
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Damian McGrath said:
Is alphabetic ordering the best way to present these? Would it be better to order these according to book of the bible?
FWIW I prefer alphabetic since most of the time I'm going to research these topically. Secondly they show up in the media resources section of the passage guide (located by keyword rather than by reference.) , so they are somewhat indexed by Bible location.
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Bob,
I just love the Infographics. I have had only a short amount of time to play with it this evening, but throughly enjoy it. I love the graphics and the ease of right-clicking to save or to send to PowerPoint. I did just a quick search for "Herod's Temple," and loved the results! Thanks so much for this addition. It will definitely add in my personal study, as well in my preparation to teach!
Charlene
Charlene
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It is tough to keep up graphical resources like this. I bet lots of folks have those old clip art books laying around somewhere. You know, the ones where you were supposed to photocopy them into your handouts.
The problem will be to keep this resourced dynamic so it is updated regularly and does not become the old clip-art book of the Logos world.
I do all my own graphics design, so I wont use it, but for others I can see it has a high potential. Overall, a good idea.0 -
One thing that I forgot to mention, but it would seem like, if you had the table of contents opened, and you had a graphic highlighted in the left pane, by pressing the down arrow, you would go to the next graphic. However, instead you went down a bit on the page in the right pane. Oops! I just found out that it does work this way in the Infographics. It was when I was in the 1000 Images, that this did not work.
Charlene
Charlene
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My thoughts (now that i actually HAVE this) is favorable....I'd use it.
My suggestion would be to have more libraries available for purchase, and to make sure that the functions we've talked about work.
Nice job overall.
Edited to add: This is a REALLY nice feature! it works like a charm with the drag fwd drag backward feature....very nice.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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I like it a lot.
1. The resources in "reading view" without the TOC showing are great for viewing all by themselves w/o powerpoint. The black background is nice.
2. Like others right click does nothing in beta 2
3. dragging right/left to go to next/previous is nice but very slow. Wish it was more iPhone like in smoothness
4. In case you hadn't noticed, you can find this in passage guide as "biblical things".
5. The snap vibration of all the graphics when you open/close the TOC is pretty cool.
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I, also like this feature very much!
Nothing happens when I right click the image, but if I left click the image and then do a Ctrl C (on Windows), it is saved to the clipboard. I was able to paste it into a Word 2007 document.
Mike Kahler
Bible Believer's Baptist Fellowship Elder
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Also no Right Click.
But CTRL-C and paste works.
Stephen
Sydney, Australia
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Good question and one I would want answered (hopefully, in writing) before I "published" them in any way. And publish is a very broad term. Because of copyright issues, I took up sketching/drawing with a digital tablet so that I can do my own and avoid sticky issues. I frequent artists forums and that is where I found out from professional artists that digital art a user purchases and called "royalty free" did not mean you have a right to copy them. FWIWDamian McGrath said:What sort of rights do we the end users have in the reproduction of these graphics? I can't find any extra information about permissions related to print or display.
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