What is the Passage List designed to do and how is it helpful/useful? What do you personally use it for in L4?
I could see using to create a list of scriptures relevant on a certain topic. Kind of like creating my own topical Bible?
Could also be a good way to collect verse you want to memorize. Personally I will need it to print or export before it is extremely useful. For now it has its uses. For instance I could collect all the verses atonement into one passage list. and view them in various translations.
One way I have used passage lists in the past is to give people reference lists on certain subjects or topics. For example I have one that I have used for several years I give to those who have lost loved ones that list scriptures intended to bring them comfort, hope, peace, etc. With the capabilities of this new feature in L4 I am still considering all the ways it can be used.
In v3 I used verse lists for two things:
1. collecting related passages for a sermon (based on TSK) and organizing them in canonical order
2. collecting passages on a given topic/study.
I'm excited to see the list return to Logos. Just yesterday I was wishing the feature were present.
When you do a complex Morph search or Syntax search the search engine counts each feature of the search query as a hit so you can get many duplicate hits in one verse. A Passage list can be used to distill out all of the duplicate hits. Also, all these duplicate hits make it difficult to compare similar searches to see what a small adjustment in search terms made in the results, the ability to merge passage lists lets you find out how the results of two searches differ or are similar.
Doesn't the functionality of Passage Lists overlap with Clippings? Unless there is some feature of PL that has not yet been revealed or I haven't discovered, I think Clippings is actually more flexible. And, I would think that "sort" and "merge" as found in PL could easily be ported over to Clippings (and Notes). But beyond "sort" and "merge" I just don't see any big advantage of PL over Clippings.
I also like being able to save individual Clippings in whatever version I want ... not to mention the ability to add in non-scriptural quotes.
Doesn't the functionality of Passage Lists overlap with Clippings? Unless there is some feature of PL that has not yet been revealed or I haven't discovered, I think Clippings is actually more flexible. And, I would think that "sort" and "merge" as found in PL could easily be ported over to Clippings (and Notes). But beyond "sort" and "merge" I just don't see any big advantage of PL over Clippings. I also like being able to save individual Clippings in whatever version I want ... not to mention the ability to add in non-scriptural quotes.
ll that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
I don't think you have to worry about that functionality given all the complaining on the on the forum, I foresee a time when Logos has implemented so much printing functionality that the questions on the board will be "Why in the world would anyone want to print that?"
I have to disagree with you. Passage lists allows me to accumulate verse, view them in any combination of translations, and collect them, I'm guessing, from PDFs and Word Documents. So for instance you will be able to create your sermon manuscript, import it into the passage list, and have all your verses in the order they appear in your sermon. All that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
Granted, it will expand a Biblical reference and place it the PL file which is obviously conducive to sermon preparation and delivery. But, I guess what I am saying is, is that really such a big thing that an entirely new module needs to be added? I am not a programmer (at least not since lugging around boxes and boxes of IBM cards for Fortran/CSMP programs back in the 70's), but it would seem to me that these few items could easily be added to Clippings. But I defer to decisions of BP et al on points like this ... I merely am giving my feedback for their consideration.
By the way, when you say, "...view them in any combination of translations...", it appears to me that the PL version selection is global for the entire list. IOW, say I wanted to highlight a difference between a given ASV text and, say, the NIV, the current PL would give me ASV and NIV for ALL verses - which isn't conducive to sermon delivery. With Clippings I can add verses to my file in whatever version I want without the global aspect. (Hope that makes sense ... it did to me [;)])
FWIW: This is the primary way I used the old Verse Lists in L3 but am using Clippings to do so with L4. As has been mentioned before, regardless of whether Passage List or Clippings are used, I would like to be able to graphically tag my text - similar to how Notes tags the original text with a yellow box. But instead of a yellow box give me another symbol to indicate a Clipping or a PL (pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clovers, or whatever).
All that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
I agree that it would be nice to be able to print these lists from the program. It would even be nice if we had the ability to add tags to passage links on the list (hint, hint)[;)]
A work around for now is to select the list and copy it into a word document. This works fine and gives you the ability to edit as needed before printing.
ah, I hadn't gotten around to checking the good old copy/paste. Thanks for pointing it out. Gotta remember to always try that right click to see what's available.
EDIT: that helped me to see that you could insert Headings...this could be very good for organizing my sermon outline...I like it.....
Three possible uses:
1) In L3 I used a Verse List to keep track of Memory Verses I was working on or had memorized and wanted to review periodically. (It's not that big a deal to recreate it in L4, but I wonder if they are going to add importing of verse lists in a future beta?)
2) You can generate a Verse List from Search results (you could do that in L3 as well). In L4, do a Bible Search, and then from the Search panel dropdown menu, select "Save as Passage List." If you enter a Bible version abbreviation in the Resources box in the Passage List, you'll have a selectable and copyable replication of your Search results which you can then copy and paste into Word, print, or whatever you like. Since L4 has not implemented the ability to copy directly from Search results (Bob has told us it's a really hard technical problem to solve to make it work and they're not promising they're going to do it), this would be a good workaround.
3) In L4, you can select a paragraph of text in a book or journal article that has lots of Scripture references mentioned in it. Now go to your Passage List and choose Add --> Add passages from...selected text. This will add all the Scripture references in that selection to your Passage List. Now if you enter your favorite Bible version in the Resources box you've got all the verses referred to and their text. It's essentially the same as what the PowerLookup tool will do, which you can also copy/paste from, but copying/pasting from a Passage List leaves you with a cleaner result (just the references and Bible text, no footnote markers or citations. Could be useful if you're preparing handouts or supplemental material go go along with an article/chapter you're printing to share with your Bible study group or something.
I'm sure there are other uses for it that I haven't dreamed up.
Another silly question.. are passage lists only in the Beta or in 4.0b? This sounds like something I could use!
Passage Lists are new in 4.0c (Beta 1).
