What is the Passage List designed to do and how is it helpful/useful? What do you personally use it for in L4?
I could see using to create a list of scriptures relevant on a certain topic. Kind of like creating my own topical Bible?
Could also be a good way to collect verse you want to memorize. Personally I will need it to print or export before it is extremely useful. For now it has its uses. For instance I could collect all the verses atonement into one passage list. and view them in various translations.
One way I have used passage lists in the past is to give people reference lists on certain subjects or topics. For example I have one that I have used for several years I give to those who have lost loved ones that list scriptures intended to bring them comfort, hope, peace, etc. With the capabilities of this new feature in L4 I am still considering all the ways it can be used.
In v3 I used verse lists for two things:
1. collecting related passages for a sermon (based on TSK) and organizing them in canonical order
2. collecting passages on a given topic/study.
I'm excited to see the list return to Logos. Just yesterday I was wishing the feature were present.
When you do a complex Morph search or Syntax search the search engine counts each feature of the search query as a hit so you can get many duplicate hits in one verse. A Passage list can be used to distill out all of the duplicate hits. Also, all these duplicate hits make it difficult to compare similar searches to see what a small adjustment in search terms made in the results, the ability to merge passage lists lets you find out how the results of two searches differ or are similar.
Doesn't the functionality of Passage Lists overlap with Clippings? Unless there is some feature of PL that has not yet been revealed or I haven't discovered, I think Clippings is actually more flexible. And, I would think that "sort" and "merge" as found in PL could easily be ported over to Clippings (and Notes). But beyond "sort" and "merge" I just don't see any big advantage of PL over Clippings.
I also like being able to save individual Clippings in whatever version I want ... not to mention the ability to add in non-scriptural quotes.
Doesn't the functionality of Passage Lists overlap with Clippings? Unless there is some feature of PL that has not yet been revealed or I haven't discovered, I think Clippings is actually more flexible. And, I would think that "sort" and "merge" as found in PL could easily be ported over to Clippings (and Notes). But beyond "sort" and "merge" I just don't see any big advantage of PL over Clippings. I also like being able to save individual Clippings in whatever version I want ... not to mention the ability to add in non-scriptural quotes.
ll that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
I don't think you have to worry about that functionality given all the complaining on the on the forum, I foresee a time when Logos has implemented so much printing functionality that the questions on the board will be "Why in the world would anyone want to print that?"
I have to disagree with you. Passage lists allows me to accumulate verse, view them in any combination of translations, and collect them, I'm guessing, from PDFs and Word Documents. So for instance you will be able to create your sermon manuscript, import it into the passage list, and have all your verses in the order they appear in your sermon. All that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
Granted, it will expand a Biblical reference and place it the PL file which is obviously conducive to sermon preparation and delivery. But, I guess what I am saying is, is that really such a big thing that an entirely new module needs to be added? I am not a programmer (at least not since lugging around boxes and boxes of IBM cards for Fortran/CSMP programs back in the 70's), but it would seem to me that these few items could easily be added to Clippings. But I defer to decisions of BP et al on points like this ... I merely am giving my feedback for their consideration.
By the way, when you say, "...view them in any combination of translations...", it appears to me that the PL version selection is global for the entire list. IOW, say I wanted to highlight a difference between a given ASV text and, say, the NIV, the current PL would give me ASV and NIV for ALL verses - which isn't conducive to sermon delivery. With Clippings I can add verses to my file in whatever version I want without the global aspect. (Hope that makes sense ... it did to me [;)])
FWIW: This is the primary way I used the old Verse Lists in L3 but am using Clippings to do so with L4. As has been mentioned before, regardless of whether Passage List or Clippings are used, I would like to be able to graphically tag my text - similar to how Notes tags the original text with a yellow box. But instead of a yellow box give me another symbol to indicate a Clipping or a PL (pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clovers, or whatever).
All that's missing is the ability to print them out so you can have them on the pulpit.
I agree that it would be nice to be able to print these lists from the program. It would even be nice if we had the ability to add tags to passage links on the list (hint, hint)[;)]
A work around for now is to select the list and copy it into a word document. This works fine and gives you the ability to edit as needed before printing.
(at least not since lugging around boxes and boxes of IBM cards for Fortran/CSMP programs back in the 70's)
Wow, you brought back a childhood memory. My mother worked in data processing in the 50's and 60's, and she was always bringing me home stacks of mis-punched cards to play with. They seemed so futuristic then...
Anyway, sorry about the hijack [:)]
Another question related to Passage Lists:
Has anyone figured out how to use "Add from file..." yet?
It has worked for me. Click it, navigate to a word document or text document, and select it as the file. All references within that document will be added to the Passage list. It would nice to see a list of the document types that work with this. I'm guessing powerpoint, Word, Text, HTML, and PDF work, but I've only tested word and text documents.
Nice.
Works for *.doc (Word 2003) but not for the same document formatted as *.docx (Word 2007). PDFs seem to work, too.
I wonder if there is there going to be an "add from clipboard" feature.
An 'export' feature would be nice too.
You can copy/paste a passage list, so I'm not sure I'd add 'export' as a high priority feature since it's pretty much redundant. I guess they could make it export to various different formats, though, so perhaps there'd be some added benefit.
Another silly question.. are passage lists only in the Beta or in 4.0b? This sounds like something I could use!
Passage Lists are new in 4.0c (Beta 1).
