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MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415
edited November 20 in Resources Forum

Because of missing milestones and the difficulty of creating milestones (the things that allow you to find all the occurrence of and references to a specific paragraph of a specific document), I have suggested Verbum look into using the AAS for "minor" documents. Would this work for you?

There is one solution that is less than ideal but would at least be understandable. For recent documents has anyone looked into using the AAS number as the basis for a datatype?  See Acta Apostolicae Sedis - Wikipedia for a description. This would be like tying everything to a Congressional Journal. As the AAS is available online, it would be practical for people to keep a cross-reference of document name/AAS # for those things they use regularly ... in fact, scholars would likely learn their most relevant AAS numbers simply by use.

Edit: I just did a scan 379 resources currently have AAS references.

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  • Fr Devin Roza
    Fr Devin Roza MVP Posts: 2,413

    Sounds great. I would even suggest major sources also get the AAS added as a second datatype if they don't have it already. It is somewhat common that academic publications require the AAS citation, so having it easily available in Verbum will just make finding that all the easier. 

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1068766#Comment_1068766

    Fr Devin Roza said:

    I would even suggest major sources also get the AAS added as a second datatype if they don't have it already.

    I'm quite sure they don't.

    Fr Devin Roza said:

    It is somewhat common that academic publications require the AAS citation,

    I didn't know that.

    It sounds like I should press Craig and Kyle on this ... a big step above using only a date as the milestones for papal letters.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1068766#Comment_1068766

    Fr Devin Roza said:

    I would even suggest major sources also get the AAS added as a second datatype if they don't have it already.

    That improvement would really pay off in the long term.

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  • Craig St. Clair (Faithlife)
    Craig St. Clair (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 177
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1070352#Comment_1070352

    Thanks for the feedback MJ and Fr. Devin.  This is on my radar and I'll discuss with Kyle.

    Question: since we don't have the AAS in Verbum and likely won't in the near future (not to say we never will, but it would require a lot of work and duplication of Latin church documents we already have) is it still worth having the references without the text itself?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1070355#Comment_1070355

    Craig St. Clair (Faithlife) said:

    is it still worth having the references without the text itself?

    You slightly misunderstood what I intended - I was suggesting that the texts that are in Verbum be given their AAS number for the milestone base; Fr. Devin indicated that all documents in Verbum (post 1908 or so) should be given their AAS number as journals require one use it. I did not intend to imply that phantom documents be given milestones.

    Example: Verbum currently has <Apostolic Fathers Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans>; what I am proposing is that the AAS be used in a manner analogous "Apostolic Fathers" as the overarching data type for all post 19th century church documents in Verbum. 

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Fr Devin Roza
    Fr Devin Roza MVP Posts: 2,413
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1070411#Comment_1070411

    MJ's proposal of an overarching datatype would be my suggestion on this as well. 

    Whether it is worth your while is for your to consider, as I'm sure it would imply some work. But it would be useful information for many academic articles and papers, and might help you solve a difficulty of what to do with datatypes for lesser Magisterial documents. And it is independent of whether you actually add AAS to your library as a resource or not. 

  • Craig St. Clair (Faithlife)
    Craig St. Clair (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 177
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1070455#Comment_1070455

    Thanks, Fr. Devin (and MJ).  I'll work with Kyle to see what integrating an AAS datatype might look like.

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