BUG: Orange Highlighter Is Now Dull Brown 8.9 beta 3

Confirmed. FL, please correct.

Sorry, David, this was an intentional change. We updated the color scheme for notes and highlights when we rolled out the Notes tool, and while the color changes were applied to resource markup on the web app, it was overlooked in the Logos 8 desktop styling refresh. We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

I hope it won't be too distracting after you had a little time to acclimate. =/

Desktop and web side-by-side below for comparison. 

Why can’t we pick our own colors? 

With yesterday's update the natural orange highlighter, which used to be a bright orange, is now a dull brown.  Is anyone else seeing this?

PLEASE change it back. Orange is my primary highlighting color in Logos.

Yes, I would very much prefer the old `Orange' color... please.

Sorry, David, this was an intentional change. We updated the color scheme for notes and highlights when we rolled out the Notes tool, and while the color changes were applied to resource markup on the web app, it was overlooked in the Logos 8 desktop styling refresh. We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

I hope it won't be too distracting after you had a little time to acclimate. =/

Desktop and web side-by-side below for comparison. 

Why can’t we pick our own colors? 

[:S]

Why can’t we pick our own colors? 

I second this motion. 

I hope it won't be too distracting after you had a little time to acclimate. =/

I do not/will not like the new color. Why must we have drab? This looks like someone hated color:

Only the red squares look like real colors. Must highlights look like colors for a funeral home?

I hope it won't be too distracting after you had a little time to acclimate. =/

I do not/will not like the new color. Why must we have drab? This looks like someone hated color:

Only the red squares look like real colors. Must highlights look like colors for a funeral home?

Pink highlighter is another color which no longer corresponds to its name.

When the different colors (such as pink and purple) are shown in the screenshot, it is easier to distinguish between colors.

But in the course of normal reading (without other colors being shown), it has become more difficult now to recognize and identify a given color, since a change in hue falls outside the expected appearance of what a color should look like.

I hope it won't be too distracting after you had a little time to acclimate. =/

I think it's less a question of acclimating, and more an issue of recognizing colors for what they are.

If orange no longer looks orange, shouldn't the intentional UX change be reconsidered?

Only the red squares look like real colors. Must highlights look like colors for a funeral home?

I agree that the colors look drab. It seems like the highlighter colors are less saturated now.

Why can’t we pick our own colors? 

I second this motion. 

This +infinity. 

And by picking I mean a colour hue panel a la Microsoft Word

Here is another screenshot with what is now called "orange" and "red" side by side, it is hard to distinguish at first glance. This has to go back to the way it was. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Hi. I must agree - this is definitely a change for the worse! Please revert back. A suggestion would be for programmers to concentrate on eradicating bugs and not dreaming up unwanted  “improvements”.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but I’m just showing there is a strength of feeling across the board on this matter.

My color orange is still very "orangy"!

A suggestion would be for programmers to concentrate on eradicating bugs and not dreaming up unwanted  “improvements”.

Please don't 'dis programmers for applying a common rule of usability - consistency across platforms.

We updated the color scheme for notes and highlights when we rolled out the Notes tool, and while the color changes were applied to resource markup on the web app, it was overlooked in the Logos 8 desktop styling refresh. We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

there is a strength of feeling across the board on this matter.

Those of us who feel very strongly that it doesn't matter one way or the other and have other priorities for the staff have generally not weighed in. You are free to dislike it. I have a number of feature implementations in Logos that I dislike.

My color orange is still very "orangy"!

Yes, it is dependent on (a) your screen (b) your settings (c) your eyesight ... if you have ever designed a web based system to be usable for color-blind and low-vision users as well as the "visually ideal users" you'd have a great deal of sympathy for the interface designers.

Here is another screenshot with what is now called "orange" and "red" side by side, it is hard to distinguish at first glance. This has to go back to the way it was

I happen to be a bit yellow color blind - I cannot distinguish between crimson and brick red in chem lab flame tests; Mother and I argued frequently over whether something was green or blue. I actually see this "orange" as a bit more "orange" than the old "orange" and a bit easier to read. I mention this only to remind people that their visual perception may or may not be representative of the "general population of users"

Here is another screenshot with what is now called "orange" and "red" side by side, it is hard to distinguish at first glance. This has to go back to the way it was

I happen to be a bit yellow color blind - I cannot distinguish between crimson and brick red in chem lab flame tests; Mother and I argued frequently over whether something was green or blue. I actually see this "orange" as a bit more "orange" than the old "orange" and a bit easier to read. I mention this only to remind people that their visual perception may or may not be representative of the "general population of users"

Then perhaps they should give people the option to choose which version they use, or, as some have suggested, choose your own colors. But I am very disappointed.

the option to choose which version they use, or, as some have suggested, choose your own colors.

I personally hate this sort of option - it takes a great deal of time and effort that I would rather see spent elsewhere - like getting certain interactives working. But priorities are personal and I understand why some would be fine with the expenditure of resources on colors.

the option to choose which version they use, or, as some have suggested, choose your own colors.

I personally hate this sort of option - it takes a great deal of time and effort that I would rather see spent elsewhere - like getting certain interactives working. But priorities are personal and I understand why some would be fine with the expenditure of resources on colors.

Actually my wish, like you, is that they had spent it on other priorities and left it alone to begin with. [;)]

Started working on a palette that has close to the original colors.

https://documents.logos.com/documents/4b218265e90e4c25a7c989a3e689b673/details 

I agree this should not habe been changed but I do find it interesting to see people complaining about FL changing something for the sake of it. I’ve complained for many years about that very thing and have been told off for doing so by some of the people who are now complaining.

We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

Please consider changing the webplatform instead! 

We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

Please consider changing the webplatform instead! 

Agreed.

Adam, I am curious, what was the thinking in changing the colors to begin with?

We are making this change to unify colors across all platforms (coming soon to mobile). 

Please consider changing the webplatform instead! 

Yes, please!

The desktop platform has been around a lot longer and I‘m guessing it has more users than the web platform. The web should conform to the desktop, not the other way around.

Started working on a palette that has close to the original colors.

https://documents.logos.com/documents/4b218265e90e4c25a7c989a3e689b673/details 

That's a good idea...and with the notes/highlights bulk updater, you should be able to bring your orange highlights to your desired custom orange.

Adam, I am curious, what was the thinking in changing the colors to begin with?

There are two mains reasons for updating the highlighting colors. One is stylistic; the old palette hasn’t been changed since Logos 4, and we wanted to update in keeping with the general color scheme of the Logos 8 style changes. This is less “conforming to the web app” and more “all apps are conforming to a new style.”

The underlying reason for choosing this palette is functional. The new highlight palette is less saturated and lighter, so there is more contrast between the highlight and black text. This provides better readability when put behind black text (which is the primary use case for highlighting). An unintended consequence is that the lighter colors have LESS contrast on the sepia/yellowish toned page color Jack is using. 

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

This is very much appreciated! 

Hmmm, I have not seen any change in colors- the only new thing showing is an 'erase' button.

The underlying reason for choosing this palette is functional. The new highlight palette is less saturated and lighter, so there is more contrast between the highlight and black text. This provides better readability when put behind black text (which is the primary use case for highlighting).

One is stylistic; the old palette hasn’t been changed since Logos 4, and we wanted to update in keeping with the general color scheme of the Logos 8 style changes. This is less “conforming to the web app” and more “all apps are conforming to a new style.”

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

Hmmm, I have not seen any change in colors- the only new thing showing is an 'erase' button.

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

This is very much appreciated! 

Yes it is! Thanks very much!

The underlying reason for choosing this palette is functional. The new highlight palette is less saturated and lighter, so there is more contrast between the highlight and black text. This provides better readability when put behind black text (which is the primary use case for highlighting). An unintended consequence is that the lighter colors have LESS contrast on the sepia/yellowish toned page color Jack is using. 

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

In your consideration don't forget the number of forum users who did not get involved in this thread - either because they didn't care or they liked the newer version. It is important to listen to those with a complaint but we don't know how much their settings contributed to the problem.

I remember conversations on the forums from the Logos 4 era about highlighting colors. Some people preferred the really bright garish ones from L3 (Libronix), which were jokingly called the "Christmas tree" effect. They were toned down already once for Logos 4, so this look appears to be further "pastelizing" the palette.

I agree that you shouldn't change the color scheme of user-selectable elements (highlighter pens) out from under people. Sure, make changes in non-user-selectable UI colors to standardize on a new look if you want. But if you want to change the default highlighter colors, at least keep the colors existing users have already selected, and broaden the options of what can be chosen for colors. Color is a very powerful memory aid, and if you change something a person is used to in Bible study, it can throw them off significantly.

Here's an example that was snickered at for the "Christmas tree" look on this thread:

KS4J was able to a make a pretty garish-looking example even with the new more muted colors in L4 here.

There are some lovely examples of bright colors used for Highlighting and Visual Filters here:

https://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters

One very practical reason not to change the colors is someone would have to update the wiki pages that show the old color scheme.

Oh dear!  I really liked the new colors, finding the text easier to read.  

It seems like it was several years ago, but at one time a FL employee took the time to ask about desired changes to highlights. Unfortunately nothing came of it. 😬

As you make changes to the highlighting colors, please keep in mind those who are (semi-)color blind (about 8% of men). We prefer high contrasts and don't worry too much about the color. 

Hmmm, I have not seen any change in colors- the only new thing showing is an 'erase' button.

Are you on the latest beta?

Yes

Hmmm, I have not seen any change in colors- the only new thing showing is an 'erase' button.

Are you on the latest beta?

Yes

Ok I hilited a large portion it does have a tint of brown I hadn't noticed before- brite orange would be preferable.

We are going to revert the change for the time being, and take time to consider if we can adjust the palette to meet both needs in a later version.

Will this be in next week's beta drop?

This change has been reverted in 8.9 RC1.

This change has been reverted in 8.9 RC1.

Excellent

This change has been reverted in 8.9 RC1.

Excellent

Yes! Thank you!