LA171 & LA181

Thanks, Guys, These weren't on my radar.  I have LA151 & LA161.  Are there really any compelling reasons to pay for these new versions, even at a big discount?  I'd appreciate any input anyone can share.

These emails usually come several days after the product has gone live.  I wish they would come before or even on the same day. 

David Betts said:

This latest update is for L8 - a great improvement over the first two attempts, and to me very much worth it. [$149 upgrade].

The videos for Greek are much better than previous - I've not yet got to the Hebrew. If I recall correctly, Heiser and Cisneros came up with the idea for MobileEd [this was a few years ago, and open to correction], and theirs was the first [somewhat primitive compared to now] videos. This also covers the LXX Greek - which is important for those who understand some corruption in the Masoretic Text, as well in as some Greek mss. Fortunately we have to tools to compare and contrast these texts.  [see Rebooting the Bible: Exposing the Second Century Conspiracy to Corrupt the Scripture and Alter Biblical Chronology by Woodward, S. Douglas (Kindle, not yet in Logos - I suggested it to the author)].

Be prepared to read... and read! I skipped over some reading to get to learning, with the intent to complete all of the reading later.

There are some resources discussed you may not have in your library, but it takes you to the Logos store for items to be purchased. Hopefully there is, or will be, a list of all resources discussed in the course. I could "hope" that Logos could have a discount-incentive for those who purchased or upgraded this course.

Thank you Logos for (upgrading) this course.

Blessings! and Shalom

Thanks Miles and David for your answers. I'll have to think this over. [^o)]

Miles Custis said:

We should be sending out messages about the upgrade pricing for current LA151 or LA161 owners today, and LA171 and LA181 should be showing up in the Courses Tool soon.

The biggest difference between the new courses and the previous versions is in the Greek course. LA181 is taught by a different speaker—Daniel Zacharias who recently authored a new Greek textbook that makes use of Logos for Lexham Press. The format of LA181 with Dr. Zacharias lecturing and working through the material in Logos at the same time in studio improves on LA161 which consisted of mostly screencast videos. It covers the same basic content of LA161, but it is an entirely new course. LA171 on the other hand is essentially the same course, but with updated screencasts and some added reading links.

After buying the upgrade on Monday and returning it on Tuesday for a refund, I did not see enough difference (IMHO) to warrant spending 150 dollars on what is basically the same material. But, with Logos generous return policy, you can judge for yourself. If you have never owned these two courses before I would recommend them to anyone. I have gained a lot out of them. But I'm not in to Ground Hog Day- Deja-Vu

Having purchased the courses it was a bit disappointing to find the brand new Greek course using an old version of Logos 8 (prior to the 8.7 new right click menu structure). Is there any plans to update those segments?
 

This frustrates me.  Like one of the other posters, I too purchased the origianal DVD set back in 2010.  They had so many issues, they came out with the upgrade at a discount...I believe it was about $150 also.  I purchased those.  The comments on this forum shows that they too had many errors and mistakes.  So now, third time is a charm?  It seems not.  I think until they can create a product that is upgradeable after production, I am not investing in more of these. 

Design and produce the course in such a way that if the platform changes, or mistakes are found, they can be updated (ie. streaming service maybe?) without us having to purchase again.  I realize this would create a challenge for those wanting to download the course to watch off line, but I think even that could be handled.  Reveal the update availability the next time the person is online and offer the choice- Upgrade this course?

Anyway, I will get off my box and move along.

How do LA171 and LA181 compare to GK101 and HB101? It seems the "Introduction to Biblical . . ." Greek/Hebrew Course are longer, more expensive and focused more on learning the language than just learning the Logos software. I have the funds to put towards the GK101/HB101, but do the utilize and and explain how to use Logos software features to a lesser extent than LA171/181? I would love to learn a bit more greek and hebrew, but my main goal is being able to take full advantage of the tools in Logos at this point. So my question is, basically, is the content in LA171/181 also covered in GK101 and HB101 or is LA171/181 actually the best way available to learn to use Greek/Hebrew tools in Logos?