Tagging Personal Book (Translation) with Lemma and Morphology
I'm creating a translation for my own personal use through Personal Books. I have learned how to tag a word with the Greek Lemma, as well as with Morph tags. But I can't seem to do both at the same time. For example:
- To tag with Lemma: [[servant >> Lemma:lbs/el/δοῦλος]]
- To tag with Morph: [[servant >> LogosMorphGr:NDPM]]
But I don't know if there's a way to tag them with both at the same time. For reference, I did consult this previous forum (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/153241.aspx) from 2017, in which others said it was impossible, but I would hope something like this has been made available in the last 4 years.
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But I don't know if there's a way to tag them with both at the same time
Still not possible. The best you can do is [[servant >> Lemma:lbs/el/δοῦλος]] [[LogosMorphGr:NDPM]] which will compile as servant NDPM, but it affects the spacing between bible words i.e. the next bible word after "servant" is 2 WORDS away.
So you can search for servant EQUALS <Lemma ~ lbs/el/δοῦλος>, servant BEFORE 1 WORD <LogosMorphGr ~ NDPM> or <Lemma ~ lbs/el/δοῦλος> BEFORE 1 WORD <LogosMorphGr ~ NDPM>.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks. I also tried to encode a space [[servant >> Lemma:lbs/el/δοῦλος]] [[ >> LogosMorphGr:NDPM]] so that the morphology was in the white space, but that didn't work either (and it would have the same problems you mentioned). It's definitely something I'd hope to see in the future, as it's clearly possible for the Bibles already in Logos (they have multiple tags like this).
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One think that can be used as a trick to place two of these datatype links without space next to one another. You have to split the word you would morph and tag in two. For instance for tagging the word "Father," you can do the following:
[[F >> Lemma:lbs/el/πατήρ]][[ather >> LogosMorphGr:NASM]] (if you want to morph the word "Father").
If you hover over the word "Father", you will see both things appearing in the Information column. The only challenge is when you use visual filters, that it only picks the part you search for. In this case, if you would search for words with the lemma πατήρ, it will only highlight "F," and searching for the morphology will then only highlight "ather." But it is a trick that works.
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But it is a trick that works.
It is promising. You have to use father INTERSECTS morph.g:NASM, because EQUALS will fail. But successive words are correctly spaced.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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As I wrote in the thread referenced above, the creators of the Leonberger Bibel PB managed to attach a Strong's number and the morphology to the same word: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/153241/933453.aspx#933453
See also https://community.logos.com/forums/t/202113.aspx.
Here it says this way did (at least then) not work for inclusion of lemma tagging: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/200049/1161141.aspx#1161141 (all in German only, sorry). But that should in theory also be possible - as long as one finds a way to bring those nested links to a docx file.
The converter used (described in English, but not many details about how to do this): https://github.com/schierlm/BibleMultiConverter
Maybe Michael Schierl will see this and can enlighten the discussion a bit more.
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Unfortunately the link "Das Modul findet ihr hier: https://gist.github.com/schierlm/ea4c97e0fadf9a7aab4e" provided a 404 Error so I was unable to find a PB bible with lemma/strongs tagging.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Unfortunately the link "Das Modul findet ihr hier: https://gist.github.com/schierlm/ea4c97e0fadf9a7aab4e" provided a 404 Error so I was unable to find a PB bible with lemma/strongs tagging.
Available here: https://causamundi.de/shop/page.php?p=bible.php (scrolldown to the list of modules, among them is the "Logos PB" in two versions)
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Available here: https://causamundi.de/shop/page.php?p=bible.php (scrolldown to the list of modules, among them is the "Logos PB" in two versions)
Thanks. I had seen that, and the NA28 and RP18 have no morphological content.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Did you build the PB? And did you build it without making any changes to the docx? I
I didn't build it, so the morphology must have been in hidden text.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I didn't build it, so the morphology must have been in hidden text.
Yes, I believe they are using links attached to the text.
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this is very interesting...thank you for sharing...gives ideas on how to improve my own localized Bible as well.
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Does anyone of you have a full map of the Logos tagging? I mean where for every Greek and Hebrew word based on it's place has the morph tags? Or do we need one of the free from OSIS / STEP or so? Later have not the same as Logos.
this is very interesting...thank you for sharing...gives ideas on how to improve my own localized Bible as well.
See the file on https://community.logos.com/forums/t/220156.aspx as an example. This is done with the https://github.com/schierlm/BibleMultiConverter.
Currently the morph tags are lacking. But I guess this will be added, if an adequate file is found. Originally the file was tagged with Strong's. The Greek lemma, LN and the G/K numbers are added based on the Strong's.
But it's possible to do it better by hand if you anyway start from scratch.
May you also check the https://github.com/sabdelmalik?tab=repositories site. Sami has a tool to add Strong's. To be more clear the Original Strong's not the improved by UBS, NAS.
Stay tuned.
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Did you build the PB? And did you build it without making any changes to the docx? I
I didn't build it, so the morphology must have been in hidden text.
Yes it is. Word don't display it even it is a Word feature. To edit them, you must do it in another file and then convert it to the one with the hidden links. The developer of the BibleMultiConverter knows more.
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I'm creating a translation for my own personal use through Personal Books. I have learned how to tag a word with the Greek Lemma, as well as with Morph tags. But I can't seem to do both at the same time. For example:
- To tag with Lemma: [[servant >> Lemma:lbs/el/δοῦλος]]
- To tag with Morph: [[servant >> LogosMorphGr:NDPM]]
But I don't know if there's a way to tag them with both at the same time. For reference, I did consult this previous forum (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/153241.aspx) from 2017, in which others said it was impossible, but I would hope something like this has been made available in the last 4 years.
Have you done this in Word, LibreOffice or in another editor?
In Word do it like this (add your morph tag too)
|Lemma:lbs/el/Ἰακώβ|GreekGK:2178|LouwNida:93.157a|GreekStrongs:G2384||Jakob
|Lemma:lbs/el/Ἰακώβ|LogosMorphGr:NDPM|GreekGK:2178|LouwNida:93.157a|GreekStrongs:G2384||Jakob
And then use the MultiBibleConverter with the string below
java -jar BibleMultiConverter-AllInOneEdition.jar LogosNestedHyperlinkPostprocessor input.docx output-pp.docx
Input = input name, same with output. Maybe put them in ""with the suffix. Not the curly ones. The output name must be different.
You can change the order you want to display it in Logos.
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