Resource I.D. codes (missing? or a new "feature")
In L3 the following "1000BBLIMB.lbxlls" is on the meta date page and is the"unique" identifier for "1000 Biblical Images".
That same piece of information is also located in (whichever) Resource Drawer that particular resource is in on our hard drives..
I can not find this "code" etc in the L.4. Library Info, or anywhere else within L4.
Is this "deliberate" ie. a 'new" feature - or is it a "bug"?
I have always made great use of these codes. They helped me discover and re-locate resources. I'm not sure if they appeared anywhere else besides the "About Resource" pane (some served as the "name" of the "download" link when purchasing from the web page)?.
IF it is NOT a part of L4 - how am I able to discern which code in the resource folder goes to which resource OR will I even have that access at all?
Presently I have to have L3 up and running to identify specific ID Codes for L4 Resources.
(This question arose because I was still trying to hide/remove the targums/Cairo paprii etc from L4. Which raises a further question: If I had been faster to hide/remove them from L3 before installing the beta would I now be having to "put-up" with them taking up very visible space within the Library?)
Aside:
In my XP system L4 seems to keep these codes of the (indexed) resources here:
C:\Documents and Settings\"name"\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos4\Data\x1dsklus.tt5\ResourceManager\Resources
I've not been able to discover any other locations.
Steve
ps. Please forgive me if this seems to be demanding too much control. And, yes, I realize that I do not have this same access within a lot of the other (competing?) Bible Software programs. BUT it is one that I have HEAVILY used in L3. And I really enjoyed being able to customize the program in that fashion. 
Regards, SteveF
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Steve,
this has been discussed on the forum; but I don't have a link for you...but I can summarize.
The reason that we liked the resource codes in V3 was that we were manipulating the files; dumping the ones we didn't want...making sure we had all that we were owed...etc.
In V4 the philosophy is that Logos will take care of that. It will search our library; if we don't have something we should have...then it silently reinstalls it...no need to go looking to make sure that a certain book was included in your last backup.
I had also read here (I thought) that we'd have the option to "hide" titles and Logos would note it and not try and reinstall it to our HDD.
that's my recollection anyway...it seems like a good system; I've had books in my library go missing for months until I realize that I didn't have something that I should have.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Dear Robert: Thanks for your reply.
So basically I think you are saying that "No" - ie. "what we had before is now gone."
And Yes, I applaud Logos helping us be sure we have all of our resources...
It's just,..until I really see it in action in a specific instance, I guess I just feel that we have then "lost" something? Or as you put it so well: (no longer having the ability of "manipulating files"?)
I realize that in some ways we are coming at this from the opposite direction -- I am not so much afraid of missing files, but more wanting to know "what" a particular file is. Does that come through in my question?
Unfortunately, we are so early into this process that I really do not yet know if this is will be a big concern going forward.
But, now assuming with you that it is gone, I already miss this L3 feature.
Thanks
Steve
Regards, SteveF
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this has been discussed on the forum; but I don't have a link for you...but I can summarize.
- Logos do not want us rummaging around the v4 resource drawer
- Logos will allow us to add files to the drawer using a scan command (see Beta 2 Release Notes)
- Hide is a projected feature to get rid of stuff like Targums, but right now Beta 2 will silently re-install any "missing" resources
So far I've avoided my "missing" Targums being installed by setting "Use Internet" to No in Tools | Program Settings immediately after Beta 2 was installed. But I don't know that this can continue for future Betas when new and updated Logos4 resources will be available to replace the v3 ones.
Bob Pritchett has resisted suggestions to bring back crude functions like Location Manager and Bibliography which can show resource locations.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi David:
I think I liked Robert's "manipulating" more than your "rummaging" [6]
Steve [:D]
Regards, SteveF
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I think I liked Robert's "manipulating" more than your "rummaging"
Yes, it's a little old fashioned but I avoided an older English term which is now thought to be rude, meaning "to poke or dig about" (per Merriam-Webster) or "discover and bring to light" (more politely). Logos would prefer we never knew where the resource folder is!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I think I liked Robert's "manipulating" more than your "rummaging"
Yes, it's a little old fashioned but I avoided an older English term which is now thought to be rude, meaning "to poke or dig about" (per Merriam-Webster) or "discover and bring to light" (more politely). Logos would prefer we never knew where the resource folder is!
I disagree with their thought on this one....if I am moving to a new computer or need to reformat the old one, I don't want to have to re-download every resource on top of re-indexing everything... if they wanted to hide the details behind a tool that would allow me to 'export' the resources and indexes in preperation for such an event and then re-import it into the new install as part of the setup process before the cloud took over... then I'd live with that but complete reliance on the cloud and me, the user, being reduced to a dumb terminal....not really my style.....
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complete reliance on the cloud and me, the user, being reduced to a dumb terminal....not really my style.....
Seems a good time to bring out an old, common issue whilst America is still at Church [:D]
Subr: Rant
All through v3 alpha and beta testing we (us two, if you like) were constantly shouting "user control - give the user a choice" rather than accept the pre-conceptions of the Logos design team e.g. "Group Similar Bibles" was eventually put into Bible Tools Options after we complained that users preferred to see all the bibles they had purchased rather than have our various NA27's grouped as a single "NA27 Bible" resource, with maybe NA27Int being the one used!
Just recently, Bob complained that the download cloud had been requested by "down-under" users who now were complaining about 1.5+ GB downloads! Makes one wonder what is being listening to and the value of all the Suggestions over many years. Bob has obviously been listening to his statistics because users need a total "cloud" resource management system so we don't stuff things up with missing resources and re-installations; ignoring Resource Management suggestions to fix the same issues over the last 4+ years, and also ignoring the reservations of users about "cloud" based solutions.
Now they gotta fix it!
End: Rant
I've expressed this in various ways elsewhere in the forum, so this is a one-off condensation of that material! And Bob appears to have heard the concerns...
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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if I am moving to a new computer or need to reformat the old one, I don't want to have to re-download every resource on top of re-indexing everything... if they wanted to hide the details behind a tool that would allow me to 'export' the resources and indexes in preperation for such an event and then re-import it into the new install as part of the setup process before the cloud took over
Andrew,
I'm not sure why we can't just copy our indexes and resources over from one computer to another. This would be an excellent solution for those of us running the program on more than one computer. The use of home networks (a la the latest iteration of iTunes) for such transfers seems ideal.
I'd be overjoyed to discover a tool that with one click (or so) allowed me to transfer everything to another computer on my network or exported everything to a portable drive for importing on another machine.
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A) We're improving metadata and adding some new features to do things like keep Targums out of your primary Bible pickers, etc. (They should already be grouped separately in most cases, along with "fragmentary" Bibles that represent papyri.)
We will add a cloud-aware "resource hiding" function, and unlike deleting a file on your hard-drive, it will remember what you've hidden and sync it over multiple installs / machines / etc.I appreciate all the feedback, even when it wears me down. (Okay, some days I don't appreciate it, but you'd get grumpy too if you had to read 5,400 forum messages in two weeks. <smile>) And much of what you're asking for will show up in future versions.
Some things just aren't going to, though. I feel terrible saying it -- I want to make everyone happy! -- but in some cases we're going to make solutions that go the other direction. For example: instead of taking our three complicated resource management tools/reports and adding the requested fourth and fifth tools, we're just going to take resource management away from users.
I am listening, and I do get that you want to manage your files, control disk space usage, identify missing resources, lookup the names of resources by ID when they're reported licensed but not present, etc. But the price of these power user features is an insanely expensive amount of technical support.
Example: Many 3.x power users generate a report of their licenses and files to see if they're missing any books. Then they try to get from the FTP server or a disk. And when they can't find a resource, they call or email. But some of the licenses in the system don't have books -- they're for internal features or even for books that don't yet exist, which we thought might be added (as a free bonus) to collections retroactively. These calls/emails/etc. take a lot of time, and it's hard to track down the answers. To which some users have suggested we build a web site where you can lookup a license ID and get its metadata. But that's even more code, more to explain, etc.
We spend roughly $300,000 per year supporting resource management calls and emails. (Aside from all the other issues!) And most of those users don't want to worry about it, or even to get more control; they tell us they just want it to work.
So in this particular case (and some others) we are going to go with the majority, and with the stats. We'll try to accomodate your requests as best we can -- allowing hiding of resources in a "cloud-compatible" way, for example -- but we just can't (or won't) support everything.
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And Bob appears to have heard the concerns...
Dave, we've definitely heard your concerns, even if we don't address them. You are famous in our office, and one of four users known by name to the entire development team. When someone says, in frustration or seriousness, "Who really uses syntax searching?" or "Do we have to support this search option?", someone else reminds us, "Dave Hooten cares!" <smile> You can't imagine how many features we wanted to pull and didn't for your sake!
(In case you're wondering: Andrew, for notes, and Dale, for WordPerfect, are two other users whose advocacy has been fruitful and impacted our planning. Though Dale, you may need to find another WordPerfect user among the customer base in order to maintain our enthusiasm...we're starting to believe you're one of the last!)
I hope you guys will forgive me for singling you out -- but we have approximately 750,000 users of the Libronix platform, so I think it's impressive (and productive) that you have kept so many issues at the forefront of our attention.
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Bob,
It might seem that the Aussies are working together.
1. Like Andrew I do NOT like automatic Internet involvement in any of my programs unless necessary. I normally switch off my internet connection unless I am actively using it. I like to manually control as many features about my programs as possible. eg. I nevr install programs using the default settings.
2. I use LDLS on 2 machines in 2 locations. One location does not have internet connection at all..... and I don't want to get a connection there. At the moment I fiddle with a USB drive to keep the computers as synced as I want to. So if I am going to use Logos4 I must be able to use it on a computer that will never be connected to the internet.
3. I prefer to use major programs that allow me to personalise them via scripts, macros etc.
Stephen Miller
Sydney, Australia
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Example: Many 3.x power users generate a report of their licenses and files to see if they're missing any books. Then they try to get from the FTP server or a disk. And when they can't find a resource, they call or email. But some of the licenses in the system don't have books -- they're for internal features or even for books that don't yet exist, which we thought might be added (as a free bonus) to collections retroactively. These calls/emails/etc. take a lot of time, and it's hard to track down the answers. To which some users have suggested we build a web site where you can lookup a license ID and get its metadata. But that's even more code, more to explain, etc.
Bob, please indulge my quick history. My undergrad is in Engineering. I have never shied away from the technical stuff and can "geek" out with the best of them. I have done many of the things you cite above. But quite honestly, when it comes to my Bible study, I am tired of it too. I just want it to work so I don't have to mess with it. I would prefer you spend 300k on books, software development (especially for the Mac [:D]) and other cool features instead of making computer nerds happy.Many of us are pastors on this forum, and I think we have taken our share of heat for making tough decisions when we know not everyone will be happy. Thank you for your honesty, your time in explaining things to your customers, and for making these tough decisions regarding resource allocation.
Thanks. I am glad to stand with you on this one brother![:)]
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Dave, we've definitely heard your concerns,
Bob, I issued a rant and got a rave!
Time to re-dress the balance somewhat...
I'm personally happy never to rummage in the Resource folder nor request technical reports about its contents if resource management can be accommodated between the cloud and the desktop in a "cloud-compatible" way. The user concern is the amount of downloading and the lengthy indexing involved when performing a second installation of Logos4 or a re-installation after a typical failure scenario (computer, HDD) when a resource and index backup exists. After DVD installation and subject to appropriate safeguards the resources and the Index are copied from the desktop location (by the Logos installer). If the Index is fully compatible with the resources now installed the cloud does not need to download anything! If not, software and/or resources may be downloaded and re-indexing will occur!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I appreciate all the feedback, even when it wears me down. (Okay, some days I don't appreciate it, but you'd get grumpy too if you had to read 5,400 forum messages in two weeks. <smile>) And much of what you're asking for will show up in future versions.
Some things just aren't going to, though. I feel terrible saying it -- I want to make everyone happy! -- but in some cases we're going to make solutions that go the other direction. For example: instead of taking our three complicated resource management tools/reports and adding the requested fourth and fifth tools, we're just going to take resource management away from users.
Bob, it might not appear like it , but we do appreciate your efforts, and I appreciate you are not writing this software for me specially so I don't expect you to make me 100% happy..... your doing a great job at the moment under difficult circumstances....
Just to clarify ,l what you have done with resource management is great . I'm not saying you've got it totally wrong... just taken it a bit to far. The particular concern I was raising here is that it does not seem very clear at the moment how you envision Logos 4 to be moved to a new computer... there is no option to export and import license, you seem to prefer we don't know where the resources are stored...and then there's the indexes.... at the moment it seems you want us to do all of this through the cloud and then re-index everything on new computer or OS re-install as the case may be... this doesn't seem effiecent at all particuarly when I think of a user who might have download limits coming into play....
Maybe you have a solution for this but haven't gotten around to it...
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But quite honestly, when it comes to my Bible study, I am tired of it too. I just want it to work so I don't have to mess with it. I would prefer you spend 300k on books, software development (especially for the Mac
) and other cool features instead of making computer nerds happy. Many of us are pastors on this forum, and I think we have taken our share of heat for making tough decisions when we know not everyone will be happy. Thank you for your honesty, your time in explaining things to your customers, and for making these tough decisions regarding resource allocation.
Thanks. I am glad to stand with you on this one brother!
I agree with you Joe...except on that comment about the Mac! [:O]
Bob Pritchett; you won't make everyone happy all of the time, you DIDN't make me happy on every count in V3! but I learned to love it and use it effectively....the same applies here.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Though Dale, you may need to find another WordPerfect user among the customer base in order to maintain our enthusiasm...we're starting to believe you're one of the last!)
Bob, Count me in as another faithful WordPerfect user. MSWord anticipates my needs and rarely gets it correct. WordPerfect's "reveal codes" is great!
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Bob, Count me in as another faithful WordPerfect user.
Ok...so that's two now...have you met the 4 mac users in the US? [:D]
Just kidding...don't take offense.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Bob, Count me in as another faithful WordPerfect user. MSWord anticipates my needs and rarely gets it correct. WordPerfect's "reveal codes" is great!
Like you I have foregone MSWord entirely because it tries to do too much for me and get's all of it wrong. No matter how much I try to customize it. However I find the antiquated WordPerfect just as painful to use. I've opted for OpenOffice.org and it performs marvelously.
I'm even working on export functions that will write to L3 XML reports, but now I have to wait to see if L4 is going to continue to use XML before I work any more on it.
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OH...now that hurt! [:'(]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Ah, that reminds me of the old joke that begins, "How many Mac users does it take to make Windows software work properly?"
[Off-Topic On]
Reminds me of 'How many Apple employees does it take to change a light bulb ? Seven. One to screw it in and six to design the t-shirt....
[Off-Topic Off]
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I know Bob P. is "gone" for a while but I just read his post and am unclear about these two comments he made. I don't want to misinterpret them. When I first bought the Scholar's Library, Series X, there were a lot of resources I knew I would never used so just chose not to install them. The licenses are mine. The hard drive is mine, last time I checked [:D] Now, does "remember what you've hidden and sync it over multiple installs" mean that resources I delete from my Program files folder will be put back on even if I don't want them back on or does it mean that if I remove them or hide them then the sync will do the same to my other computer? I don't expect Bob to answer but if someone could comment, I would so appreciate it. Thanks. We will add a cloud-aware "resource hiding" function, and unlike deleting a file on your hard-drive, it will remember what you've hidden and sync it over multiple installs / machines / etc.So in this particular case (and some others) we are going to go with the majority, and with the stats. We'll try to accomodate your requests as best we can -- allowing hiding of resources in a "cloud-compatible" way, for example -- but we just can't (or won't) support everything.
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Now, does "remember what you've hidden and sync it over multiple installs" mean that resources I delete from my Program files folder will be put back on even if I don't want them back on or does it mean that if I remove them or hide them then the sync will do the same to my other computer?
Stuff you hide will be sync'd everywhere. Stuff you delete will be restored everywhere. And then you will have a long Indexing session...
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Can we trade in the titles we don't use for credit on another title? I have several titles that would fall into this category.
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Dave, I've come up with a rough analogy just to make sure I get this right. Say I buy a Christmas tree bundle including the tree, the lights, bulbs and tinsel. I don't really want the tinsel but it came with the package. I put it up and decorate the tree the way I want and go to bed; my back door is unlocked. When I get up in the morning, I find tinsel on my tree and I didn't put it on or want it on. The manufacturer put it on. So, I take it off.Stuff you hide will be sync'd everywhere. Stuff you delete will be restored everywhere. And then you will have a long Indexing session...
If I don't put a resource on my hard drive, then will Logos put it on?; I take if off and force indexing and every time they put it back, it re-indexes and every time I take it off, it re-indexes. I took this to the nth degree just to see if I get the point. What I am fighting is the automatic stuff that I don't want but am almost forced to have because I want the tree. Is there no way out of this? Please correct me.
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I believe that what I read was that the resources that are hidden/deleted are not reinstalled automatically and when you "unhide" them...they are reinstalled.
Isn't that on another thread somewhere?
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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I believe that what I read was that the resources that are hidden/deleted are not reinstalled automatically and when you "unhide" them...they are reinstalled.
Isn't that on another thread somewhere?
Not that I've read.
There's been no indication that "hiding" would actually remove the resources from the users computer.
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Say I buy a Christmas tree bundle including the tree, the lights, bulbs
and tinsel. I don't really want the tinsel but it came with the
package.Father Christmas came back to make sure everything was OK. Thinking someone had stolen the tinsel from you he kindly restored it (Ho, Ho!). The following year he again notices the absence of tinsel and replaces it. But next year you leave a Note stating that you don't really like tinsel, and he doesn't force it on you.
So if you are polite and follow the process (of hiding) the tinsel won't be forced on you. If it is forced you won't be using your computing tree for a very long time. I'm not sure if there will be immediate consequences of removing the tinsel.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Gosh, I forgot just how benevolent Father Christmas is. [:D] Thanks for keeping it in perspective, Dave. I'd rather follow rules than rebel given the rules still help preserve a democratic way of life.
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It's just that the rules are really not that simple. Say you changed your mind and Father Christmas didn't have any tinsel ....
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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