*ATTENTION: New Touch Gestures*

Ali Pope
Ali Pope Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,821

With the newest beta update (version 32.0), we have implemented new (or old, depending on how you think of it) touch gestures when reading a book on the mobile app. They are as follows:

  • Single tap = show/hide menus
  • Double tap = select the verse
  • Long press = select one word

Prior to Logos 10, a single tap would show or hide the top and bottom toolbars. We changed that behavior with the Logos 10 release, but after gathering significant data from all of you, we have reinstated the single tap behavior to show and/or hide the top and bottom toolbars. 

We appreciate hearing your feedback on these changes while the new gestures are in the beta app. Please let us know what you think in comments below. Thank you!

Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,408 ✭✭✭

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    And just in time. I took the Verbum mobile off my Mac M1 and it erased my Verbum desktop. So, now, the mobile can return home to my iPad!

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • PL
    PL Member Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭

    Hallelujah! Finally! Thank you Logos!

  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 457 ✭✭

    Please keep it like this. The previous way was so frustrating and made navigation a chore. I switched to the mobile beta just for this feature alone. Never get rid of it please.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle Member, MVP Posts: 32,427 ✭✭✭

    Prior to Logos 10, a single tap would show or hide the top and bottom toolbars. We changed that behavior with the Logos 10 release, but after gathering significant data from all of you, we have reinstated the single tap behavior to show and/or hide the top and bottom toolbars. 

    This is really good to see - thanks Ali and team

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,714 ✭✭✭

    YES!!! Thank you!!!!! 

  • DS
    DS Member Posts: 40 ✭✭

    Yes! 👌👌

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) Member, MVP Posts: 36,469 ✭✭✭

    Please let us know what you think

    ...Now if you would only add back in the location indicator... 

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  • Daniel Norwood
    Daniel Norwood Member Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Ali,

    I am using an iPad Pro.  The touch gestures are great in Logos mobile.  

    Does Logos have any plans to take advantage of Trackpad support on iPad? I can use a trackpad to highlight and copy text in a Key Article in Factbook like I would on a Mac. 

    In notes, commentaries, Bible texts, the trackpad mimics touch gestures. When using a trackpad for mobile on iPad, I would love to be able to highlight text like I do on a Mac.   

  • Daniel Norwood
    Daniel Norwood Member Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Ali,

    I am using an iPad Pro.  The touch gestures are great in Logos mobile.  

    Does Logos have any plans to take advantage of Trackpad support on iPad? I can use a trackpad to highlight and copy text in a Key Article in Factbook like I would on a Mac. 

    In notes, commentaries, Bible texts, the trackpad mimics touch gestures. When using a trackpad for mobile on iPad, I would love to be able to highlight text like I do on a Mac.   

  • Jonathan Sheehy
    Jonathan Sheehy Member Posts: 34

    Great change!

  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭

    I still have 31.0.2 version and it shows on Apple Store as the latest version 

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) Member, MVP Posts: 36,469 ✭✭✭

    I still have 31.0.2 version and it shows on Apple Store as the latest version 

    Correct. As of my post, 31.0.2 is the current version. This is the BETA forum, so the announcement is about a FUTURE edition of the app. 

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  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭

    Correct. As of my post, 31.0.2 is the current version. This is the BETA forum, so the announcement is about a FUTURE edition of the app. 

    My bad habit to scan the info instead of reading it 

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) Member, MVP Posts: 36,469 ✭✭✭

    Correct. As of my post, 31.0.2 is the current version. This is the BETA forum, so the announcement is about a FUTURE edition of the app. 

    My bad habit to scan the info instead of reading it 

    I only read posts sorted by forums, which helps to eliminate that problem. 

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  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭

    I may have even suggested something like this in the beta of the new menu, but I have to say I did really grow to like the single tap to select verses and sentences, especially for highlighting on iPad with the pencil. It will take time to see how I get used to tapping twice to select verses and sentences, but I hope I will get used to it…

  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭

    I love this change. Finally I can touch highlighted verses and it brings me to menus. Before it was hard to navigate or select a verse, or word if I had few verses highlighted. 

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

  • Sam Shelton
    Sam Shelton Member Posts: 339

    I joined the Android mobile beta for the sole reason of evaluating the new touch gestures. All I can say, is thank you, thank you, thank you!

    This new change will make it so much easier to navigate when I am using my tablet, particularly when I am moving back and forth within a layout - such as during small group sessions.

    Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14 

  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭

    I may have even suggested something like this in the beta of the new menu, but I have to say I did really grow to like the single tap to select verses and sentences, especially for highlighting on iPad with the pencil. It will take time to see how I get used to tapping twice to select verses and sentences, but I hope I will get used to it…

    My initial impressions: I get impatient pressing and holding (and waiting) to open the word info card, compared to the quicker double-tap. Similarly, the double-tap to select a sentence or verse requires more finesse when hitting the screen with the tip of the apple pencil. It's easy to touch the correct verse once, harder to hit it with the necessary double-tap, especially when holding the iPad in one hand. I was always OK tapping at the top to open the menu, so I don't understand the criticism of the new (old) system. However, given the popularity of these new changes, I don't expect them to change.

    However, I did notice one significant drawback which I hope can be addressed. In the previous system, I could tap on an existing highlight and the highlight would be automatically selected. (For example, if the highlight was a single word, or 2 sentences, tapping on the highlight would select the single word, or the two sentences, rather than the default sentence). Then I could very easily change the highlight style. 

    Now, however, it always selects the sentence when I double-tap, even if there is an existing highlight. To access the existing highlight, I have to manually drag to select the exact same selection as the existing highlight.

    This is a huge loss of functionality for me, as I am often going back and changing existing highlights.

  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭

    For what it's worth, I would love to see the single-tap, double-tap, and long press behaviors as program setting options... 

  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 457 ✭✭

    However, I did notice one significant drawback which I hope can be addressed. In the previous system, I could tap on an existing highlight and the highlight would be automatically selected. (For example, if the highlight was a single word, or 2 sentences, tapping on the highlight would select the single word, or the two sentences, rather than the default sentence). Then I could very easily change the highlight style. 

    Now, however, it always selects the sentence when I double-tap, even if there is an existing highlight. To access the existing highlight, I have to manually drag to select the exact same selection as the existing highlight.

    This is a huge loss of functionality for me, as I am often going back and changing existing highlights.

    I noted the same thing in one of my posts. Hoping it gets some attention.

  • Brad
    Brad Member Posts: 927 ✭✭

    For what it's worth, I would love to see the single-tap, double-tap, and long press behaviors as program setting options... 

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  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭

    However, I did notice one significant drawback which I hope can be addressed. In the previous system, I could tap on an existing highlight and the highlight would be automatically selected. (For example, if the highlight was a single word, or 2 sentences, tapping on the highlight would select the single word, or the two sentences, rather than the default sentence). Then I could very easily change the highlight style. 

    Now, however, it always selects the sentence when I double-tap, even if there is an existing highlight. To access the existing highlight, I have to manually drag to select the exact same selection as the existing highlight.

    This is a huge loss of functionality for me, as I am often going back and changing existing highlights.

    I noted the same thing in one of my posts. Hoping it gets some attention.

    Just simply select the highlight and change the style. Before it was so hard to select a verse for guides, text comparisons, when it was covered with highlights. i use much more guides instead of replacing highlights.

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭

    Just simply select the highlight and change the style. Before it was so hard to select a verse for guides, text comparisons, when it was covered with highlights. i use much more guides instead of replacing highlights.

    I see your point. I almost never highlight my Bible; only resources, so I never have that problem. Maybe Logos can find a way to make both of us happy! One idea: Have different behavior in Bibles vs. Resources, so verses are default-selected in Bibles, whereas highlights are default-selected in Resources. In other words, by priority, verse (in Bibles) > highlight > sentence.

  • Wild Eagle
    Wild Eagle Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭

    This post will help you:

    I'm not sure whether this is helpful or not for your problem, but I find if I long-press any word within the highlight that I wish to remove, when I hit delete, it automatically deletes that entire highlight. I do not have to expand and select the exact boundaries.

    If the word is part of two highlights, I actually have a choice to choose between the two highlights.

    "No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

  • Rob Rice
    Rob Rice Member Posts: 5

    i would like the ability to one click highlighted text so that i can copy it. i had this ....and then yesterday lost it.

  • Sam Shelton
    Sam Shelton Member Posts: 339

    Perhaps Logos could add a “copy” choice as in my screenshot. This would make it easier for those who seek to copy highlights in whole, as opposed to in part.

    Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14 

  • Marek Tomasovic
    Marek Tomasovic Member Posts: 18

    I agree with Robert and Bob. This used to be my workflow as well. Perhaps giving users an option to select how the gestures should work would be the best option. 

  • Marek Tomasovic
    Marek Tomasovic Member Posts: 18

    I mean, for this reason alone I installed TestFlight on my iPad so I can downgrade to the previous version of Logos! [:|]

  • Mark
    Mark Member Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    I joined the Android mobile beta for the sole reason of evaluating the new touch gestures.

    I also joined the beta program a year ago (see thread here) but have never been contacted about it.