One vote: I have a substantial investment in LOGOS products, and I can see where this new business model is heading for the bottom line and growth at user expense. Especially in these economically unstable times, I have no interest in renting anything (a subscription).

As a consumer, keeping up with inflation and business costs, renting a virtual product is not in my best interest. If I cannot own it outright, I do not want or need it.

Additionally, as with who owns, operates, monitors, and controls the World Wide Web, who and where does AI come from (GIGO)? As excellent and valuable as AI seems, I see nefarious prophetic Biblical implications coming down the pipe. 

I don't understand why a subscription would be required for instant dark/light mode.

In a normal launch year, you'd have to wait until the launch of L11 to get access to this feature, just like dark mode itself was originally only available to Logos 9 customers, not Logos 8 customers. But this year, people who subscribe are getting early access to features that would normally only be available in the fall.

We are not saying that this feature will forever be locked behind a subscription. A subscription is just the only way to get early access to this feature.

Thanks Mark

Let me try to focus the question about grey areas a bit. I’m concerned about legacy support issues. 
Let’s imagine that Logos staff finally decide to clean up all the awkwardnesses and documented limitations of the notes+highlighting feature(s). 
Let’s imagine that a lot of users have previously created hundred of thousands of notes that use various features of the existing Notes+Highlighting. Finally, let’s imagine that your cleanup of Notes+Highlighting is so extensive that you need to replace a major portion of the existing code, and that the 2.0 version can do the same things as before, plus a lot more things, as well as fixing bugs. 
You’ve said major new features will only be by subscription. I presume a wholesale rewrite to a 2.0 version (my example) would be in that subscription-only category. 

So, let’s say your subscription users get all existed and start adding a zillion new notes, using the new features, and they ALSO go back and edit a lot of their old notes to take advantage of those new features.  This means presumably that the “tags” hidden in the Notes files will be new and improved, to support those features. 

Finally, say that some of those subscribers fall on hard times (or retire and go on limited fixed income as I am), and can no longer afford the subscription. So, they cancel it.  In that case, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR NOTES?

1. Notes created before the 2.0 version that weren’t edited. 
2. Notes created after 2.0 version that heavily use the new features. 
3. Notes created before 2.0 but edited after. 

As a programmer, I know how messy and frustrating it is to write code to support both legacy and current operation, especially when user-created files are involved.  And I know how upset users get if you destroy or mangle their files. 

So in the specific (reasonable) scenario I outlined, would Logos “certainly” provide a perpetual license option for the 2.0 Notes+Highlights?

A simple announcement that feature upgrade sets will be offered for purchase periodically to non subscribers, albeit without those features which require AI and cloud-based services, would be of enormous help in quelling the fears that are currently running rampant. Please directly address this question as soon as possible. 

PLEASE!!!  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!! DO NOT DO A SUBSCRIPTION MODEL!!!!!!

I want to own the stuff I buy... I don't want to rent it from you...

Then don't subscribe. You'll still have access to everything you own just like you do now, and you'll still receive updates going forward. 

If you go to a subscription only model, I will leave your platform and encourage others to do the same. To me, there is a real danger in requiring a subscription to fully use something that I've invested over $20,000 into. Please do not go this direction. I have theological/moral problems with you requiring a subscription and not allowing users to own their libraries moving forward. 

I have theological/moral problems with you requiring a subscription and not allowing users to own their libraries moving forward. 

You'll still own all the books you've purchased, whether or not you choose to subscribe. 

And let me add, as a newcomer to Logos who is intimately acquainted with the available Bible software solutions, good luck finding a better alternative.

A simple announcement that feature upgrade sets will be offered for purchase periodically to non subscribers, albeit without those features which require AI and cloud-based services, would be of enormous help in quelling the fears that are currently running rampant. Please directly address this question as soon as possible. 

I agree with this.  This thread has talked about the idea of a perpetual fallback license.  An example could be that perhaps if a version 2 comes out, version two would be offered to subcribers.  Version 1 would then be offered for purchase.

I agree that at least for now in our limited understanding of a world with AI, that having the ability to purchase features except for those that require AI sounds plausable.  Perhaps in 5 years we will laugh at our ignorance on this thread.  But for now, I pray those at Logos would have wisdom as the business model changes.

Mark - you gave a VERY limited answer to my carefully outlined question. Please don’t dodge it by describing what you did in the past, which was NEVER offering features SOLELY by subscription. 

**Please go back** to my prior post (so I don’t need to repeat it here), and answer the question regarding the three categories of Notes. If this is “highly hypothetical“, what that implies is that it’s “highly unlikely” that y’all will ever do a thorough fix and upgrade to Notes.  If so, eeek!

I think an impasse has been reached. Most existing users want a path to upgrading and purchasing of perpetual licenses of on-computer features. The AI features are a novelty for many and don’t impress the majority of your long term customer base. I myself am willing to pay a small stipend at this point but in the end I want to have an improved platform when I cut the Internet and subscription. A lease to purchase plan with clear commitments is palatable. I see this somewhat comparable to investing in two or three year upgrade purchases. I can’t say that everyone will like my idea but it is a better compromise than what is being seen as a line in the sand. Respectfully, Kevin

This puts us with no improvements unless we go subscription.  I would rather be able to pay for new features.   This is what the rest of the people are saying.   Again there are some people who are on limited income.  It is a good possibility you will not retain them as customers.