Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos
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Also to Logos connect subscribers.
Not so. At least not to all Logos Connect subscribers, if it is available to some. I have an active annual subscription to "Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library (formerly Logos Now)", but have received no information by email about Logos Pro. I only found out about it while browsing the forum a couple of weeks ago, as I occasionally do.
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Same here. I've always bought way up. With a Subscription, I won't. Many past big buyers may fit there. I suspect that will be a major economic consideration for Logos. Pluses and minuses--I suppose marketing figures that out using calculus and maybe common sense.Will the end-result then be different from my saving up the $9.99US per month, and upgrading (like I have done in the past)?
Adding to Tes, FL may not be selling you features this year (new, or new to you). Saving would be 'over'. That announcement (sell features, or not) is later this year. And this years' decision doesn't preclude next year's decision. Kind of like weather predicting.
The benefit to FL (sell features vs subscribe) is interesting. Historically, full-features for me, go for maybe $250 or so. Or includable in a package I might want.
- If they continue selling features, I'd continue buying, either FF's or packages (indeed, waiting for a sale currently) . I'd be waiting for any new features.
- If they force subscribe, I wouldn't. I don't Prime, and just canceled a religious-related subscription. I'm a cancel'er. But, I'd likely forgo the big package purchases also. They'd lose the FF amount. But the big package purchase as well.
It's an interesting problem for them.
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Just wondering, I know I've seen others besides myself comment that they will cut their purchases if we are stuck with subscription only - am I the only one looking at some of the March Madness deals and getting more frustrated with Faithlife just not making a solid and final decision?
There are a couple deals that really intrigue me, but I cannot put them in the cart for purchase because I have no guarantee that I will not be forced into a subscription at some point in the future...
If there was a definitive statement that we would continue to have the same fairly priced access to purchased Feature Sets, I'd feel a little better about considering a purchase of resources....
The longer it takes for a definitive answer, the more it feels that this is an attempt to eventually force us into a subscription - it cannot be this difficult for FL to see what we as users can... Features already coded into the engine and activated by a license have no reason to not be offered for purchase (unless it is an AI related feature that has an ongoing fee attached to its usage), Not offering the purchase option is leaving money on the table and pushing users away....
It would be interesting to know how much money, which leads to sustainability is going down the drain for FL due to this decision/lack of decision.... A few hundred in deals that I have considered in this sale are swirling down the drain, not to mention the upgrades that I always purchase....
What a time to drop this subscription only nonsense - in the middle of a big resource sales promotion complete with a plethora of the unknown SMH
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Just wondering, I know I've seen others besides myself comment that they will cut their purchases if we are stuck with subscription only - am I the only one looking at some of the March Madness deals and getting more frustrated with Faithlife just not making a solid and final decision?
There are a couple deals that really intrigue me, but I cannot put them in the cart for purchase because I have no guarantee that I will not be forced into a subscription at some point in the future...
If there was a definitive statement that we would continue to have the same fairly priced access to purchased Feature Sets, I'd feel a little better about considering a purchase of resources....
The longer it takes for a definitive answer, the more it feels that this is an attempt to eventually force us into a subscription - it cannot be this difficult for FL to see what we as users can... Features already coded into the engine and activated by a license have no reason to not be offered for purchase (unless it is an AI related feature that has an ongoing fee attached to its usage), Not offering the purchase option is leaving money on the table and pushing users away....
It would be interesting to know how much money, which leads to sustainability is going down the drain for FL due to this decision/lack of decision.... A few hundred in deals that I have considered in this sale are swirling down the drain, not to mention the upgrades that I always purchase....
What a time to drop this subscription only nonsense - in the middle of a big resource sales promotion complete with a plethora of the unknown SMH
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Yep, I feel that, Frank. I’ve had to make the tough decision to cancel all my pre-orders and my Galaxie journal subscription, until I know exactly how they are going to move forward with our ability to purchase of features. If they decide ownership will no longer be the way forward, I plan on switching to Accordance and saying good riddance to Faithlife.
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If they decide ownership will no longer be the way forward, I plan on switching to Accordance and saying good riddance to Faithlife.
If you're concerned about the company's future, definitely DO NOT switch from Logos to Accordance. The hemorrhaging of talent there is a real concern. Their failure to make good on many of the promises made with the Accordance 14 upgrade is disturbing.
One thing to remember. Logos is in a state of leadership transition right now. It may take a while for things to shake out with the new boss just stepping into his role on heals of the some significant family issues that he shared with the Forum Community.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Also to Logos connect subscribers.
Not so. At least not to all Logos Connect subscribers, if it is available to some. I have an active annual subscription to "Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library (formerly Logos Now)", but have received no information by email about Logos Pro. I only found out about it while browsing the forum a couple of weeks ago, as I occasionally do.
Well in my case I had "logos now" and after they changed it to "logos connect" I have it too. I have the platinum base package with no features. But I subscribed to logos pro. I got it from their announcement.
Blessings in Christ.
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Yep, I feel that, Frank. I’ve had to make the tough decision to cancel all my pre-orders and my Galaxie journal subscription, until I know exactly how they are going to move forward with our ability to purchase of features. If they decide ownership will no longer be the way forward, I plan on switching to Accordance and saying good riddance to Faithlife.
So, I own this product that you are thinking about switching to...
All I can say is go back into the forums of this product starting in November 2022 and read what has happened since then. Bonus, go a bit further back if you like. It's there in the public record.
I write this as a former user and mega fan of this product since 2008, particularly for language studies... but I have not put a penny into it for a very long time and in its current state, I would never recommend it to any of my friends.
I weathered the transition from Logos for Mac 1.x to ‘feature parity’ on Logos 4 and I am still here, so that should say something about how disenfranchised I am about this other product.
For now, I am optimistic that Logos has heard its users and will come up with a plan. To be fair, they have engaged in a consultation and the CEO even posted on here. There Is a sign of listening and so I am keen to see what they do with this input.
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
Well said. Good advice. Thank you MJ.
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
I know they continue to "claim" that we will always have access to the resources and features that we have purchased.... History with Logos/Faithlife says otherwise... I can no longer use Libronix and some features are gone or were repackaged as "New" and had to be purchased - So there was a "forced" upgrade to regain access....
If Logos truly honored their "promise" of always having access, they would have never turned off activation and access to the Libronix engine for users that may have been happy with it.
I simply do not believe that there will not be a time that non subscription Logos will not go the way of Libronix... The comments from FL come off as honoring keeping the engine going, but also most times come with veiled hints of eventually having to upgrade.... Whether the rare and less consistent stability updates for the engine or the comments that gear towards an improvement to an existing feature being behind a new license - which without a change of view from FL with the subscription only model leads to the only option being forced subscription or outdated engine features.... Again see the Sermon File Addin as the glaring example!
As for taking action to make them less apt to give warning and wanting to listen to feedback - that would just show even more disregard. Common sense would point towards telling a customer base that your only option for new features going forward is subscription, likely yields significant blowback... So if the "negative" anti subscription only feedback would lead in that direction then there was little thought put into it.
As has been said countless times already - the solution is simple offer both! Yet, FL appears to not want to do this.... If that was not the case, it would not take so long to respond to the blowback with a solution.... The user base had clearly shown that there is significant support for maintaining the purchase option.... So as has been said - if FL was concerned about sustainability, they would not turn away the purchase power of perpetual license supporters...As of now, until they publicly declare a continuation of the traditional model we have all supported - the perpetual license supporters are an afterthought promised the crumbs of potential engine updates for OS changes (if they don't Libronix us)
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
Well said. Good advice. Thank you MJ.
Yes indeed. Good, level-headed advice. I thank you as well, MJ.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
Well said. Good advice. Thank you MJ.
Yes indeed. Good, level-headed advice. I thank you as well, MJ.
Agreed; well said, Mr Smith.
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I'm glad that when they imposed a subscription/fee on some new features, they were honest with us. They told us that some subscription/fee was necessary and told us why. They told us that they were still figuring out whether to go to an all subscription model or to some sort of mixed options. They've listened to us and reassured us that our investment in our resources continues to be as safe as ever - that a free version of the program will continue to be available. I have enough invested in resources that I am not in a position to even consider changing to a different application. So, I will continue to purchase what I need in Logos. As for purchase vs. lease, I'm willing to wait until Logos tells me what they are actually offering in the fall, at what price and with what features. What I won't do is take any action that makes them less apt to give warning and listen to feedback next time there is a major change.
Well said. Good advice. Thank you MJ.
Yes indeed. Good, level-headed advice. I thank you as well, MJ.
Agreed; well said, Mr Smith.
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I simply do not believe that there will not be a time that non subscription Logos will not go the way of Libronix...
I have no doubt that as the industry evolves, Logos will become as obsolete as Libronix ... I have no predictions as to what Bible study will look like in 500 years. Besides, I was not a fan of Libronix. But that does not change the fact that the subscription to cover ongoing costs as the software architecture changes, does not affect my confidence in Logos nor that I have invested heavily in Logos. I am not asking that others respond as I do; I am merely illustrating to Logos and forum members that some do respond as I do.
To put things in my perspective, I remember when 33 rpm records caused the 78rpm records to go on sale ... there have been multiple changes affecting my collection of music since then. The only records I cannot play because they require a reed needle, I inherited from my parents.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I simply do not believe that there will not be a time that non subscription Logos will not go the way of Libronix...
I have no doubt that as the industry evolves, Logos will become as obsolete as Libronix ... I have no predictions as to what Bible study will look like in 500 years. Besides, I was not a fan of Libronix. But that does not change the fact that the subscription to cover ongoing costs as the software architecture changes, does not affect my confidence in Logos nor that I have invested heavily in Logos. I am not asking that others respond as I do; I am merely illustrating to Logos and forum members that some do respond as I do.
I understand your view - but this statement illustrates the concerns many have.... Logos continues to promise we will have access, it is also listed on the website as I have posted many times. However the statement you make here seems to be an open door to the possibility that we actually do lose access as we did to Libronix - which means forced subscriptions to access resources we own, if FL does not change its tune....
There are indeed areas that FL has a good track record of making things right, areas where they are exceptional with assistance they could refuse (Linux advice) and both I have publicly applauded - however they have also had a cloudy history in areas as well and this is one of those areas.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Put it this way, I loved the honesty of the life-time guarantee on handmade lap harp - by life-time he meant active lifetime of the artisan (himself) or possibly of his company if someone took over. On the other hand, the life-time guarantee on my roof disappeared in 5 years as the company was sold a second time. Fortunately, I consider equanimity to be an important Christian value.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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To put things in my perspective, I remember when 33 rpm records caused the 78rpm records to go on sale ... there have been multiple changes affecting my collection of music since then.
That is a good example.... If it was accurate...
If Logos did not market forever access to resources and features that you purchase, your comparison would be applicable... However, that is not the case.
No record, cassette, CD, Beta, VHS, DVD nor BluRay that I have purchased guaranteed ongoing support for access.... Logos does and has not always followed through....
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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If Logos truly honored their "promise" of always having access, they would have never turned off activation and access to the Libronix engine for users that may have been happy with it.
The company would not be where it is today if they had kept maintaining Services for Libronix (many of which were determined by Windows OS support), as well as maintaining the Logos app for a wider (Mac) market. The Search query syntax of Libronix is superior to Logos but its features were constrained by Windows Internet Explorer.
I simply do not believe that there will not be a time that non subscription Logos will not go the way of Libronix... The comments from FL come off as honoring keeping the engine going, but also most times come with veiled hints of eventually having to upgrade..
My understanding is that FL will continue to update your Logos app irrespective of your decision about subscription. The only "veiled hints" I know come with the need to have a supported version of the OS in order to continue Free support of the app.
As has been said countless times already - the solution is simple offer both! Yet, FL appears to not want to do this....
We have to wait for definitive announcement, but we know that they are considering it. The AI conundrum can be overcome, and I'm not concerned about losing AI functionality.
Dave
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The company would not be where it is today if they had kept maintaining Services for Libronix (many of which were determined by Windows OS support), as well as maintaining the Logos app for a wider (Mac) market. The Search query syntax of Libronix is superior to Logos but its features were constrained by Windows Internet Explorer.
Not sure what you mean by services here, I can say that I was running Libronix side by side with Logos and continued with fine results under compatibility mode until Logos cut off access for activation. Yes the Search Query was indeed superior and is another example of lost features we miss.
My understanding is that FL will continue to update your Logos app irrespective of your decision about subscription. The only "veiled hints" I know come with the need to have a supported version of the OS in order to continue Free support of the app.
Until they have an excuse to go the way of Libronix or rename features that you own, that will only be available via subscription. (Unless they do the smart and right thing by offering both options)
We have to wait for definitive announcement, but we know that they are considering it. The AI conundrum can be overcome, and I'm not concerned about losing AI functionality.
With the amount of feedback against Subscription only, it should be an easy and quick announcement. The longer they take to come forward with this fix, the more likely they lose customers new and long term.... Having checked in with other options, there will be competitive offers coming for Logos users from some of them... As I said in another post, there are some deals from March Madness that I am interested in, but will NOT invest another dime until this is fixed. So dragging their feet on something so simple is silly.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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I strongly suspect that the planned and now actually accomplished move to majority ownership by a venture capital company may have driven and be driving Logos towards the subscription model. Unlike the previous owners, such companies are driven much more by the profit motive than we have previously seen. I also wonder if this may have played a part in the CEO transition from Bob to VIK to Bill. FWIW.
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Not sure what you mean by services here, I can say that I was running Libronix side by side with Logos and continued with fine results under compatibility mode until Logos cut off access for activation.
Server-side features like Update, license sync. I could never get it to run properly in Compatibility, but I can get it to run via license backup.
Dave
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Is The Last Blockbuster Still Open? Where is The Last Blockbuster Located? (thecinemaholic.com) Welcome to the Pacific Northwest where Logos is headquartered: 211 NE Revere Ave, Bend, Oregon 97701
Sorry, but I found it so funny that you chose this as an example that I couldn't resist. I went by this store on my way from a retreat center in Oregon to my parent's house in South central Washington. Our own local premier video rental company became a cultural museum (membership required).
I know this doesn't negate your point.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Alas, this is a dynamic of the general state of the higher end Bible software market. We have very few options now. There used to be 'show down' or 'product x versus product y' blogs, not anymore. We need those that are left to thrive and hopefully over time some new products rise from the ashes of those that have departed this life!
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Fully agree here; exactly my main use of Logos.Hi, Mark. I read books. I highlight books. I write a few notes. I want no new features.
My question: Every year I buy NEW books. I want them to work without a monthly subscription......How do I do this in the new subscription milieu? Will I have to subscribe?
Looking at the youtube feedback on the AI model it's probably not something I would even be interested in purchasing. Happy just to read books that I want to, at my own pace...
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Sadly, it would appear that there are some Logos users who would prefer that this happens to Logos as well, rather than accept any changes that could help keep this from happening. I, for one, am hopeful that these changes will help Logos continue well into the future.
I sure do miss going to Blockbuster; I have no desire to miss using Logos.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Sadly, it would appear that there are some Logos users who would prefer that this happens to Logos as well, rather than accept any changes that could help keep this from happening. I, for one, am hopeful that these changes will help Logos continue well into the future.
I sure do miss going to Blockbuster; I have no desire to miss using Logos.
I don't recall seeing any user state that they prefer Logos go out of business....
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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all those monthly subscription payments leave you with nothing once you stop paying....
A little bit of dissembling here Frank. Far from being left with nothing one would be left with basic engine, all ones resources and any features that one has picked up over the years.
In the end when one has give up paying it is likely because the time one needs the complex features has come to an end and it is time to simply rest in the word and try to remember all the wisdom one gained while one was.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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all those monthly subscription payments leave you with nothing once you stop paying....
A little bit of dissembling here Frank. Far from being left with nothing one would be left with basic engine, all ones resources and any features that one has picked up over the years.
In the end when one has give up paying it is likely because the time one needs the complex features has come to an end and it is time to simply rest in the word and try to remember all the wisdom one gained while one was.
How about instead of an accusation of me dissembling .. You actually represent the context of my response...
If I already have the books and features I currently have.... I am not paying for anything. If I am forced to pay for a subscription for new features and lose them if I stop paying the subscription, I no longer have the books and resources/features that I had while paying.... Where as an actual purchase leaves me with the features and the joy and wisdom I have gained with use... Purchase allows both, subscription leaves you with nothing of the new features and books....
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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