Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos
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Where can I give my feedback on this?
You just have done
.Since this post, we have announced that people switching to a subscription from Logos 10 would qualify for a Legacy Fallback License after two years. That means that if you were to cancel your subscription after the two-year period, you'd retain permanent access to non-AI and non-Cloud features that were part of your subscription.
Does this fallback license apply to Faithlife Connect subscribers as well, or would we need to purchase the full feature set to have access to the fallback license?
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it really makes no sense to not offer the traditional option.
$700 would be the going rate for nobbled Full Features after/every 2 years!!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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it really makes no sense to not offer the traditional option.
$700 would be the going rate for nobbled Full Features after/every 2 years!!
Not sure that can be determined with the new attraction to building many features that have to be subscription (AI related).....
Would they really try to charge $700 for features (dynamic pricing also may or may not lower the cost as in the past), if there are a few that you actually get to keep??? Right now, how many non-AI features are present? I know we are waiting on a Fallback list from Mark, but based on comments from users - what is really non-AI beyond instant light/dark and possibly some Factbook improvements?
So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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I selected my subscription level but didn't have enough time to really look at the library and see if I wanted to purchase it or not. Is there a way to go back and look at the libraries with the subscriptions or is that a one and done deal?
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So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Mark's list won't tell you what is available in October 2026, when you would have paid $200 for Pro as an L10 Owner or $500 without the discount.
The price to keep "Full" features on Max would be $260 and $700.
If not a subscriber it is moot to talk about past offerings and discounts when they are not on offer.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I selected my subscription level but didn't have enough time to really look at the library and see if I wanted to purchase it or not. Is there a way to go back and look at the libraries with the subscriptions or is that a one and done deal?
Selected where? Are you on Connect?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
Thanks,
Joseph
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So as of now, as we wait on Mark's list - what is worth the $240 for two years of Pro, never mind $700.... Also we were always able to get the Full Feature Set at a better price with a Package Upgrade that included books as well....
Mark's list won't tell you what is available in October 2026, when you would have paid $200 for Pro as an L10 Owner or $500 without the discount.
The price to keep "Full" features on Max would be $260 and $700.
If not a subscriber it is moot to talk about past offerings and discounts when they are not on offer.
The $240 was for the monthly subscriber rate, sure it can be either $200 or $260 with the Annual payments - the point I was making and you actually alluded to was that we will NOT know what we are paying for with the new Logos.... We knew what we were purchasing the traditional path..... So it could be $200 for instant light/dark mode.... No one knows - not even Mark, as he has publicly admitted already! So again, the new Logos is the equivalent of the old gumball machine - stick your money in, turn the crank and you may or may not like what you receive for your investment....
Also, whether or not someone subscribe does not make their opinion moot!!! As customers we can speak our minds and continue to press the company that we have supported to do what is right for ALL customers - they may ignore us, they may take baby steps to see how much they can get away with (we now at least have the fallback license - though who knows what that actually means for value/cost).... But I will continue to talk about past offerings and discounts whether you or any of the other forum users that decide to take a negative view of the view of others like it or NOT!!!
Some on this forum love to make negative statements toward those of us against it (some are comments that they'd never make face to face as the Forum Guidelines suggest, but then want to point to how great Logos is treating us and that they are giving us a Fallback License - how many times do these people need to be reminded that they wouldn't have done that without those of us push our "moot" points continually?????
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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No. I just clicked on the link for early access on the Logos 10 Sale page and it took me to a place where I could select from the 3 subscription levels. After I did that, if offered me a chance to buy a discounted library.
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Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
Thanks,
Joseph
Are you a Connect subscriber. or do you own the Full Feature Set for Logos 10?
If so, Logos Premium would be $6.99/month or $69,99/yr; Logos Pro would be $9.99/month or $99.99/yr; and Logos Max would be $12.99/month or $129.99/yr.
If you are not a subscriber now and do not own the FFS, then it would pay in the long run to buy the Full Feature Set at the discount now offered.
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Mark, how about subscriptions for laymen like me? Will I get the new features as soon as they are out? What are the advantages, and how much will it cost me (monthly or yearly)? Will smart search be available to us too?
There are currently three tiers available: one aimed at lay leaders, one aimed at pastors, and one aimed at those who want to go deep into the original languages. It's possible that in the future, we might add an additional tier below all these aimed at lay people.
That said, lay people who like to go deep into their study will sometimes be using very similar study methods to lay leaders, pastors, or academics. If that's you, you might be better off with Logos Premium, Logos Pro, or Logos Max. You should see pricing at https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions
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Hi Mark
May I offer to help you beta test new features in the future please? I continue to hope you can scale down with what I would call "easy access" so newbies and casual users can make use of Logos and all its features. Some of the more specialized stuff you all do so well is lost on me but accessing things that a common everyday Logos user say in a group bible study might use - would be nice.
Respectfully,
Joshua Lieder
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This has probably already been asked, but is Logos/Faithlife committing to permanently supporting the existing version in regards to defects and security problems? Or is support going to end for the existing (purchased) software at some point?
It's a bit disingenuous to say "you keep your books," when the only way to access those books is through what will ultimately be a non-operational, potentially insecure piece of software.
Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
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And one more ... Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
I'm sorry and I don't mean to offend, but where on earth are you getting that from? Logos is a book seller. They're not going to stop selling books. That's their main source of revenue.
I'm not thrilled with the idea of another subscription, though the deal has gotten sweeter and I probably will eventually go for it. But some of the fears that have been expressed in this season are... let me find the right way to express this... rather far disconnected from the realities of the situation.
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And one more ... Once you go to subscriptions, it looks like you're going to stop selling access to individual books. At least that's the implication of the "levels" you're offering. Is this true?
I'm sorry and I don't mean to offend, but where on earth are you getting that from? Logos is a book seller. They're not going to stop selling books. That's their main source of revenue.
I'm getting this from reading the information about the subscription service. There's nothing in there about new books, just about the books you will get with the subscription.
What if selling the subscription becomes a larger source of revenue than selling books? Is Logos/Faithlife committed, for the long haul, to keeping existing user investments in place--even if it's no longer making them money?
Overall, I don't just dislike subscription services, I also dislike cloud-based services in theory and practice.
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I'm not sure "disingenuous" is a proper characterization. Logos has said repeatedly that they have no plans of going away, that they are committed to a generational presence which means that your books will be available to you for as long as they can see. I can't speak about security issues. I also think that it would go without saying that anyone who buys a digital book nowadays does so with the understanding that using a digital book is wholly dependent on the software needed to read it, and that software updates are part of using digital resources. This is true of Logos, Kindle, PDFs, Word files, etc.
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I also think that it would go without saying that anyone who buys a digital book nowadays does so with the understanding that using a digital book is wholly dependent on the software needed to read it, and that software updates are part of using digital resources. This is true of Logos, Kindle, PDFs, Word files, etc.
I would really like to believe this is the case, but it often isn't in the real world. It costs money to keep software updated. New operating systems need to be supported. Code gets old. I know the costs involved as I work in IT. I've lost books (and other media) I purchased in other formats because the reader software was simply no longer supported.
It's easy to say "we're going to do this." It's harder to actually do it.
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Who says the target audience is only pastors? Much of the point of this was to make Bible study more convenient and affordable for the rest of us.
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Who says the target audience is only pastors? Much of the point of this was to make Bible study more convenient and affordable for the rest of us.
I think you were replying to David Thomas who was speaking about Logos Pro.
The information at https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions suggests that Logos Pro is "Perfect for pastors and ministry leaders who preach regularly."
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That's the trouble with the subscription model. Now there are perpetual investment minimums to be able to access the content at all.
What I wouldn't give to be able to go back to perpetual licensure of Microsoft Word...
It's crazy. It's people in poverty who are most in need of connection and those who serve.
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Now there are perpetual investment minimums to be able to access the content at all.
It is not true that one will need to subscribe to use any of the content. Ones content will always be available along with the ability to use bible and commentary side by side and aligned. There will be many other facilities in the basic program that will make it ideal for the the average Joe who wants to study the Bible systematically for their own spiritual development.
To my mind the subscription levels cater for the hobby bible study person who wants to develop their knowledge or the congregation leader (teacher, pastor or evangelist) who need to have information at a deeper level to dabble in apologetics, or the academic who just needs tools to study.
There are many who want features for the sake of having features, just as there many who want a base package at a high level for the sake of having a base package at a high level.
Try just using the basic set up and then purchase what you need rather than what you want. You may find that subscriptions never darken your door or you may find that a particular subscription is worth every penny you invest.
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Mike
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What I was saying was that I would need a subscription for perpetual access to feature content.
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I would need a subscription for perpetual access to feature content.
Maybe you should define exactly what you mean by "feature content".
If you mean your books/bibles/etc then NO you do not need a subscription to do that. The official Logos folks (which I am not one of) have repeatedly in most of these threads stated that this is the case.
If on the other hand you mean to be able to USE a feature such as the new Insights panel, then yes that would take a subscription.
All that said, the official Logos people have also stated that any current "Feature" that you have paid for (not subscribed to but actually purchased a license for) you will keep that access.
They have also stated that they will always have the free engine that will continuously receive updates for new OS's and such.
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Well...Sir...books aren't features...but...yeah... I kind of gathered I'd be able to use what I already have...Um...Thanks...
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books aren't features...but...yeah... I kind of gathered I'd be able to use what I already have
Logos has clearly stated that if you have purchased any features, you will never lose access to those features.
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Yeah, but they've also said they're not prepared to turn down money put toward access to features we've already paid for, so we might as well do our best to make sure we only pay for that once.
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This sums up my concerns really well..
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All that said, the official Logos people have also stated that any current "Feature" that you have paid for (not subscribed to but actually purchased a license for) you will keep that access.
They have also stated that they will always have the free engine that will continuously receive updates for new OS's and such.
Yes, but what do they mean by that? For instance, I have the full feature package. I have Factbook. But one of the things included in the subscriptions is "revisions to Factbook sections that enhance their usefulness".
So are they going to start having multiple versions of features, one for how it is right now, and then another that they update and improve? It almost looks that way.
I would have thought that if I have Factbook, then I'd have access to all of it. Which would make sense because Factbook works off of your books - so the more books you have, the better your Factbook will be, which should encourage you to buy more books.
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