FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but can we please have the two arrows that navigates your previous and next location in a book? (i.e. < > arrows that used to be in the top right.
Also, may we also have the zoom settings more easily accessible, the previous version are much more user friendly regarding these two functions.
That said, I love the history function, but the < > arrows should make a come back.
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Peter Chan said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but can we please have the two arrows that navigates your previous and next location in a book? (i.e. < > arrows that used to be in the top right.
These are available as outlined in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#NavHistory
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It is taking some time to get use to.
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I understand resistance to change. And, over time, I am certain that use of the "Dynamic Toolbar" would become second nature. But it requires more steps than what was previously necessary and it clutters the desktop. Returning to the old toolbar or a more aesthetic streamlined version of the new one would be appreciated.0
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I am getting used to the functionality. But I REALLY want a way to make the menus (primary and secondary) to stay out of the way by default.
I am continuously clicking to hide the secondary menu and I would do the same with the primary menu if I could. It feels like Whack-A-Mole sometimes.
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Make Interlinear a one click on and off again. Enjoying new software, but extra steps on many of the updates.
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Wesley Pedigo said:
Make Interlinear a one click on and off again.
It would help if the icon/title would toggle it on and off and the down arrow took the user to the settings.
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I think this is serviceable for other tools too. If there are other options available for the icon/tile then make the most used setting the default for toggling and pressing/holding to get to other choices. Or allow the user to select the default toggling action in the drop-down.
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I would prefer if the default was that the Secondary Toolbar be closed. As it is, when I open a new tab I have to close the Secondary Toolbar.
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John Connell said:
I would prefer if the default was that the Secondary Toolbar be closed. As it is, when I open a new tab I have to close the Secondary Toolbar.
I agree completely. If I had my druthers, I would have both secondary and primar toobars hidden by default with a hotkey to display the primary.
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I don't like it. Maybe it will grow on me but I don't like it all. It is overly packed with stuff. Some simple functions (such as finding a parallel) is either gone entirely or at least I can't find it. Other things are also difficult to find that were simple before. I don't like it.
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Nathan David House said:
Some simple functions (such as finding a parallel) is either gone entirely or at least I can't find it.
I don’t believe anything is gone entirely - some things have changed.
You might find https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar In working out where things have gone
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Peter Chan said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but can we please have the two arrows that navigates your previous and next location in a book? (i.e. < > arrows that used to be in the top right.
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In fact, get rid of it.
It currently sends you to this thread, which I found unhelpful because the first item is about an older version of Logos and starts a discussion of pros and cons of various features. I'd rather it sent me to a factual help page.
Have a great day,
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Just providing quick feedback here! I very much appreciate all the work you do to continue to make the app easier to use. However, I personally do not prefer the new toolbar as it requires more clicks to get to things like interlinear and the two bars stacked on top of each other takes away more reading space. Thanks again for all the work your team is doing!
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Peter Chan said:
but the < > arrows should make a come back.
You wish is my command as my mother used to say. They are under home and work as they did before.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Peter Chan said:
but the < > arrows should make a come back.
You wish is my command as my mother used to say. They are under home and work as they did before.
Aren't those the up/down arrorws - not the left/right ones that Peter and Jim seems to be asking about?
The history arrows are available as mentioned above:
Graham Criddle said:Peter Chan said:I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but can we please have the two arrows that navigates your previous and next location in a book? (i.e. < > arrows that used to be in the top right.
These are available as outlined in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#NavHistory
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It's top left, is it not?
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Hold on; does the quick swap between similar texts not exist anymore? I liked swapping between Bibles or going from one text to another of the same type (commentaries are great for that). Wasn't the symbol ~ or // or something? I guess the left/right arrow keys do it one-by-one, but that drop-down list was pretty nice.
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Juraschek, Loyal C. said:
Hold on; does the quick swap between similar texts not exist anymore? I liked swapping between Bibles or going from one text to another of the same type (commentaries are great for that). Wasn't the symbol ~ or // or something? I guess the left/right arrow keys do it one-by-one, but that drop-down list was pretty nice.
Click the book cover icon and you will get the list of parallel resources in a drop-down
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Very nice addition! It's a keeper
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Graham Criddle said:
Click the book cover icon and you will get the list of parallel resources in a drop-down
Ah! There it is; thank you, sir.
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It would be nice to be able to add tools to the menus or toolbar.
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I find the AI in the sermon document to be interesting. It gives a good summary and suggestions in the outline suggestions. I have also been playing with ChatGPT, asking specific questions after explaining the use of various types of propositional statements (propositions of obligation, capacity, or evaluation), as well as suggestions for sermon titles and appropriate hymns. The answers are astounding and pertinent.
I was hoping that the notes would finally support external file links. There must be some major constraint that has hindered that development since so many apps allow such links. Is there any possibility that you will add that soon?
Thank you for your work. I use Logos every day in study and teaching and preaching.
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I am generally not a fan of the new layout. It makes the parts of the toolbar I use slower to get to and more finicky. The two items I use most often are, as according to the new layout, Formatting > Reformat and View > Add Parallel Text. Before, to toggle one of these on and off, it was one click. I could click the button, not the part of the button that opens the dropdown, and it would toggle. Now, I have to click on the button, which opens up the menu, and then hit the button within the menu to toggle the feature on, and finally click on the button again or somewhere else to close the menu. What before was one click is now at least three clicks. Since the two tools I use most often are on different tabs, it often takes four clicks. I have to move from one tab to another and then do the rest. At the least it would be nice to have the always visible, single click, toggle button back like there was before.
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I am becoming more reconciled to the toolbars (although I do not like the way both primary and secondary pop up when first opened - I'd like them to autohide by default, as discussed elsewhere).
The "change book" dropdown would be improved if the books had popups. In the image below, on the right side, the first 2 book titles begin "Lexham Research Lexicon of the ...". That leaves me guessing about the remainder of the title - because there are no popup when I hover over a book title (or partial book title).
That means, in this case, I have to try them out to see which book is which. That is a waste of time, though not a major speed bump.
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Ken F Hill said:
The "change book" dropdown would be improved if the books had popups.
This is the Parallel Resources function.
Oddly enough I was told in another thread that these DO have popups...you just have to wait for them. I replied that I'd never seen them.
I still haven't. I hovered until the PR panel closed down (which was weird...it left me a popup saying "No parallel resources available"). I really think those popups aren't there.
And I agree...they are almost essential.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Doc B said:
This is the Parallel Resources function.
Oddly enough I was told in another thread that these DO have popups...you just have to wait for them. I replied that I'd never seen them.
I still haven't. I hovered until the PR panel closed down (which was weird...it left me a popup saying "No parallel resources available"). I really think those popups aren't there.
The popup says "change book". Now that you mention it, I see popups in the Bible panel but not on other panels (as shown in my screenshot) they do not, unless you have to wait several minutes for them.
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NB.Mick said:
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up which allows to identify the commentary which is simply named e.g. "John". Not sure whether this was mentioned before in this long thread, but it should be fixed in one of the next releases.
... and I see it fixed in Logos 38 Beta 1, thank you!
Have joy in the Lord!
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Ken F Hill said:
here are no popup when I hover over a book title (or partial book title).
This has been fixed in Logos 38 Beta 1 (for non-beta users: will be fixed in the next release, i.e. in about six weeks)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Right now, I just need the blue 'New' button to go away.
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NB.Mick said:
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up ...
Sorry. Since the parallel books dropdown is in the same proximity (especially in narrow panels like I typically have open) my brain jumped to the conclusion they were connected.
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I love the new resource toolbar. It makes navigating easier.
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Not a fan. I find it requires more steps to simply put the text in column form or change the text sizing. What's confusing is formatting and view. Seems to me you can collapse view into formatting.
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Yes, Please! I get showing new features, but the advertisement shouldn't be a part of the UI. Please consider changing this strategy in the future. Most apps handle this with some intro pop-ups that never return.Doc B said:Right now, I just need the blue 'New' button to go away.
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Martin Diers said:
but the advertisement shouldn't be a part of the UI.
It is not advertisement but a feedback mechanism.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The blue button appears to have been a master strategy, people cannot stop looking at it and talking about it.
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Antony Brennan said:
The blue button appears to have been a master strategy, people cannot stop looking at it and talking about it.
Well, in fairness, it's likely why many are here. Which demonstrates that it's working. It's understandable though that some are bothered. However, it's prudent to remember that nothing lasts forever. In this case, that's a very good thing.
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I am not much a fan either. The old set of easily clickable icons appears to be gone and not recoverable (and it was very efficient!). Hiding things that are commonly used behind drop-down menus is a bit frustrating.
The main tool I used to click on and off regularly was the interlinear—and that is now three clicks instead of one (one to select "view," one to select the interlinear dropdown and one to toggle it on and off). The same is also true with the text markings.
I am not sure if it is related or not, but Factbook tagging seems to change the function of the left click for some words to open the Factbook in the Spanish language version of the app (not something I would want) but thankfully doesn't do this in the English version (which is ok for me but inconvenient when interacting with my Spanish-speaking students).
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One minor tweak would help me. I would like to be able to ctrl+click on secondary menus to toggle the on-off button without me having to open the the secondary menu tab.
The image shows the on-off button. But I would not even see the button if I could just ctrl-click on the secondary tab.
A bonus would be to have the whole menu system hide itself after - or at least have the secondary menu fold itself up out of the way.
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Enabling/Disabling the interlinear view should be under the View menu.
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Tom Barbaro said:
Enabling/Disabling the interlinear view should be under the View menu.
It is, right?
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Really not a fan of the new toolbar at all. Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before. I don't want to memorize tab categories to perform basic functions, like zooming in and out, turning on interlinear, accessing history, or linking sets. Very annoying.
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Corey DeFrancesco said:
Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before.
You realize that the new toolbar includes not only the old toolbar functions (minus equivalent resources) but also some functions that were hidden in the panel menu.
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Just chiming in again that I absolutely love the new toolbar and how easy it is to find functions that were often buried (removed?) when I was using narrow panels under the old UI.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course; I just don't want my view, which I'm sure is also shared by many, to get drowned out.
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In almost every Windows program there is a way to access the main menu via the keyboard. Libreoffice Writer for example : Alt+F = File menu ; Alt+V = View menu ; Alt+O = Format menu ; Alt+T = Tools menu ... And generally, pressing Alt by itself lights up the main menu shortcuts. see image
Very seldom do I have to go mousing around for the menus and submenus.
Furthermore, most other apps have the menu row in one place at the top, beneath the title bar where it takes up minimal room and allows for the program window to maximize real estate for the work area(s).
I don't mind the Logos menu system. But I think it has a long way to go to reach the level of keyboard convenience that is almost standard for Most other apps.
I would prefer full hotkey access to the menus. I also would prefer a standard toolbar at the top of the Logos window. I realize each book has its own options. But it would be more convenient for me if the menu was in one place but still able to control each book's options from a single menu or toolbar. The toolbar would, I assume, have to adapt depending on the type of book that had focus.
This is presented as an option.
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MJ. Smith said:Corey DeFrancesco said:
Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before.
You realize that the new toolbar includes not only the old toolbar functions (minus equivalent resources) but also some functions that were hidden in the panel menu.
I've seen a few comments from different users about this.... I'm wondering how a single click on a three dot menu that then cleanly lists everything is hidden or buried... Same with the "hamburger" menu for the ToC, Notes and Favorites...
I'd like to hear what some of the "hidden" and "buried" features are under the Classic Toolbar.... Possibly something I rarely use?
Also, for those of us that prefer the Classic Toolbar - there have been a number of comments telling us we need to give it time and use to learn where things are actually "hidden" or "buried" based on number of clicks to get to it in comparison - I wonder if that same thought was applied by said users in "finding" access on the Classic Toolbar...
Again, I think the look is great - the function is inefficient for many
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Sean said:
Just chiming in again that I absolutely love the new toolbar and how easy it is to find functions that were often buried (removed?) when I was using narrow panels under the old UI.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course; I just don't want my view, which I'm sure is also shared by many, to get drowned out.
The old toolbar did not wrap so we just lost access to icons unless you enlarged the pane. Adding the "more" so any size pane has full access to all icons is one of the functions of the new toolbar that I appreciate.
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John Fidel said:
The old toolbar did not wrap so we just lost access to icons unless you enlarged the pane. Adding the "more" so any size pane has full access to all icons is one of the functions of the new toolbar that I appreciate.
That's what I thought! I was fine on the old interface until I switched to a smaller laptop. On many panels I lost the parallel resources button. I wasted so many times hunting for it. It was very frustrating. I love how that has been implemented on the new toolbar.
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