Paper Builder

Phil Gons (Logos)
Phil Gons (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 3,796
edited November 21 in English Feedback
Like Sermon Builder but for academic papers with better bibliography support, etc.
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  • David Taylor, Jr.
    David Taylor, Jr. Member Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭
    I really like this idea. This truly would have made Logos my one-stop shop during College.
  • Myke Harbuck
    Myke Harbuck Member Posts: 1,646
    Oh my! My heart rate just increased! YES!

    Myke Harbuck
    Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
    Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College

  • Must also utilize clippings within as well. Could also bring back the Library Searcher that was in Logos 3 or Logos X, can't remember which one.
  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭
    I'd really like this! Would need the ability to have footnotes so you would have the complete paper. If it had an editing and a viewing mode where you could view it like a normal resource and highlight it, etc, I think it could eventually replace personal books.
  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭
    Voted up.

    If we are going to go this route, we really need the ability to import PDFs, html, rich text and markdown files. I know this has been discussed extensively before, but the reality is that papers in Logos will rarely be composed of research exclusively from the Logos ecosystem.

    Being able to open a website from within Logos would be very useful as well. We already have Wikipedia, so presumably that would enable the user to customize this for other commonly referred to resource websites.

    Whether there is a market for all this to justify the investment, I don’t know. A competitor’s product already allows for pdf imports and website integration.

    In meantime I am using other tools. In my case it is Devonthink and Sente For the Mac
  • Peter Li
    Peter Li Member Posts: 24
    Can we call it "Article Builder" instead? Or something other than "Paper Builder"?
  • DAL
    DAL Member Posts: 10,573 ✭✭✭
    Great! Please, better bibliography support, better outlining, ability to add pictures and an overall better word processor.
  • Yes this would be great. I create a Bible class workbook in Word each quarter. It comes to about 20-30 pages in Word. I use sections, table of contents, Works Cited, etc. I save it as a PDF and get a local print shop to print and bind it to hand out to our members for our classes each quarter. It would be great to have this in Logos.
  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like this idea but wonder if it is really the best use of Faithlife resources if one looks at the complexity of the task e.g. Citavi https://www.citavi.com/en

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Devin Roza
    Devin Roza Member Posts: 6
    Yes, please. And with structured tagging, so that we can organize clippings and notes as we take them. This would be useful for the homily builder too, but is essential for more academic research.
  • Devin Roza
    Devin Roza Member Posts: 6
    @mjespuiva-86 I think that now that Notes is a centralized database, as long as they have structured tagging, implementing a system like Citavi shouldn't be that difficult, and could finally turn Logos into a true research platform.
  • Christopher Kou
    Christopher Kou Member Posts: 76
    Absolutely, yes please!
  • @donovan-35 Forum reply by Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) on 16 May 2020 included: Even PDFs that have text (not just page scans) can be surprisingly difficult to extract text from. I highly recommend reading https://www.filingdb.com/pdf-text-extraction to give an overview of the problems that could be encountered. (followed by user reply: Accordance has PDF import and they say not everything imports the same due to the various formats “behind the scenes.”)
  • Eugene Nowak
    Eugene Nowak Member Posts: 90
    As former QuickVerse/WordSEARCH user there was a feature (somewhat limited) called User Books. Three formats were available to the user to create documentation. Take this concept and expand it. I've created so many documents outside of my Bible study software, it would be nice to bring them into an integrated format. With being able to bring MS WORD documents into Logos is nice. But having them truly reside in the software and be editable in the Bible software would be great.
  • Would be very welcome!
  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭✭
    @peter-li-18 Research Builder? Maybe that would encompass articles and seminary papers (and more).
  • Daniel McCoy
    Daniel McCoy Member Posts: 70
    This would be awesome!
  • yes please make a "paper builder" and/or lecture builder. This would make the app close to perfect. This is the biggest want I have for Logos. PLEASE give me a way to write papers in Logos.
  • This was posted 2 years ago... is it being worked on?
  • Robert Kelbe
    Robert Kelbe Member Posts: 585 ✭✭✭
    @Robert K. In hindsight, a simpler option would be to make personal books work cross-platform, and continue to make papers in Word which you then import as personal books. Word is my preferred software for academic papers, but I like to view my papers within Logos. Yes I am aware of all of the purported reasons why Logos thinks they can't legally do this. But, Google Drive and Onedrive don't have those problems. And personally, I will always by a Logos version of a book if one is available.
  • Great idea all for this
  • Andrew Biddinger
    Andrew Biddinger Member Posts: 439
    Features needed at the top of my head...
    * Text Editing Tools + Headings (h1, h2, h3 ...)
    * Bulk Editor
    * Upload Media
    * Import from Word/PDF
    * Searchable (Find in paper CTRL + F ...and regular search)
    * Folders for Organizing Papers
    * Tags
    * Anchors + Footnotes...
    * Send to...
    * Outline view
    * Paper Created from Template
    * Notebook Notes (like sermon)
  • Gregory Lawhorn
    Gregory Lawhorn Member Posts: 982 ✭✭
    This would be a great idea
  • Several years too late for my college days but it would be a very useful tool. 
  • Lucian Benigno
    Lucian Benigno Member Posts: 72
    We need it, but please consider including the Brazilian ABNT bibliographic references standard.
  • Keith Beller
    Keith Beller Member Posts: 10
    I like the idea and here are my recommendations.

    1. Need the ability to write a paper in sections and snippets, like Scrivener.
    2. Must have grammar check integration. I would love to have Grammarly.
    3. Needs to have Option + Esc read-aloud feature.
    4. Needs a place to collect non-Logos sources (PDF, Word, Web Page import) with the ability to catalog, highlight, and comment. Especially important for thesis and dissertation work. For webpages should keep track of citation source information or have an easy way to add it. See suggestion 7.
    5. Needs a citation aid tool like in Perrla. (See perrlacomplete.com. I would look at Perrla's online editor. It is pretty good. I write all my papers in the browser now.)
    6. Needs to provide word count and page count information.
    7. Bibliography management needs to accommodate non-Logos sources like web pages, pdfs, tiffs, etc.
    8. Needs an output feature to export to Word and other document formats.
    9. Should include a paper templating system that provides an example structure for papers.
    10. Needs to support optional cover pages.
    11. Real-time autosave is a must.
    12. Should provide support for MLA, Chicago, APA, etc.

    To be useful, it needs to have all the features in PERLLA at a minimum. Having fast templated and automatic bibliography management is an absolute must, or I can't use it.
  • Keith Beller
    Keith Beller Member Posts: 10
  • Ross Purdy
    Ross Purdy Member Posts: 54 ✭✭
    It would be more useful to me than sermon builder.
  • Gregory Aumann
    Gregory Aumann Member Posts: 3
    I agree with some posts and disagree with others. This feature would be great, but it doesn’t necessarily require native access to pdfs or personal libraries as long as it has strong citation features and maybe connection to Zotero.  It is easy enough to copy and paste from other sources. Storing pdfs, websites, and citations like Zotero would be helpful though. Hyperlinking to resources contained in Logos from citations would be great. It definitely needs to have support for footnotes, citation styles, formatting, charts, tables, etc.