Highlighting: Single-tap selects a highlight
Ali Pope
Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,821
Currently, when you single-tap on text in a book, it will show/hide the top and bottom toolbars. This request is to change that, so that when you single-tap on text in a book and specifically on a highlight in that book, it will select the entire highlight.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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yes this needs to be reversed. i need to be able to click highlighted text and be able to copy the whole thing.0
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Have to have this, has made using the iPad version so painful. Been using logos for years and years and now have to go through too many steps.0
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I agree with the others, this needs to be reversed. It doesn’t always work!0
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I mean please reverse. ☺️0
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Really bummed with this change. Using multiple highlight colors is now a massive pain. Trying to select a highlight and make quick changes or deletions is incredibly cumbersome. This change made my Bible study time almost twice as long and has totally distracted from time in God’s word.0
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Totally agree with this. As a short-term workaround, if you hold on one of the words in the highlight, it’ll select that word and you can interact with the highlight in the partial modal that comes up.0
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Please put this back the way it was... It wasn't broke, so don't try to 'fix' it!!!0
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We changed this for several reasons, including the difficulty of selecting the correct highlight when highlights overlapped.
The optimal path for editing/deleting highlights is now:
1) Select a word or verse that intersects with the highlight you want to edit. You don't need to select the existing highlight exactly.
2) Near the top of the selection menu, you'll see all the highlights/notes that intersect with your selection. To delete the highlighting or change its color, tap the kebab menu (the three dots) to the right of the card. To edit the note, tap the card itself.
I can see that we're no longer offering an easy way to copy the contents of the highlighted text, which I appreciate could be frustrating. We'll look to add that ability.
I also know that it's an extra tap to delete the highlighting or change the highlighting style. Can you help us understand why that extra tap is so important? Is it because:
a) It wasn't clear that there was a two-tap process, and you were having to use lots more taps (if so, what were you doing instead?
b) You edit/delete highlights very often, so even an extra tap takes a lot longer because you're doing it often. If so, can you help us understand why you edit/delete highlights often.
c) Something else.0 -
@Mark Barnes (Logos) it’s not even just that I edit and delete highlights often (I do), but as someone who uses LOTS of different highlighters for different things (inductive study, different colors for different topics, etc) there isn’t a quick way to do that anymore.
I used to be able to swipe across a line of text to highlight it then it was one tap to select the highlight and another to select the color I want. Now I have to navigate multiple menus. It’s a pain and it is adding a significant amount of wasted time to my study flow.0 -
@Mark Barnes (Logos) a) Yes, it was not clear to me that it is now a two-tap process, and I was using a longer process, viz., selecting a word, then dragging the bar(s) to select the entire highlight, which was extremely tedious, really a show stopper. b) Now that I think about it, I really only edit/delete highlights often with just one source, the lectionary. I preach from it just about every other day, using the highlights, different colors, emphasis mark-up, etc. After the homily, I delete all of it because I don't want it to influence me the next time I develop a homily from those readings. I will use the two-tap process for a while and see if that extra tap makes a big difference. I imagine it won't be as convenient as before, but probably not a show stopper either.0
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@jordan – thanks for the extra information. Am I right in thinking you have "Swipe to Highlight" turned on? (If you're not sure, you can check, by clicking on the three dots menu at the top right of a panel and choosing "View Settings"). If so, you may find it quicker to turn that off, and then:
(1) Select the text you want to highlight.
(2) Tap the highlight style you want to use from the top of the selection menu. You can swipe across to get more styles.0 -
I’m used to sliding my finger on a word to mark where I stopped. I can’t do that anymore and I don’t agree with the last change of the policy0
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Please revert back to the way it was so I can find my starting point with ease, thanks.0
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Please revert to the way it was prior to the update. I regularly add additional notes to my highlights and the new workflow is cumbersome and not intuitive. I also second what others have said about copying a highlight. If logos wants to keep a single tap to show/remove the top and bottom banners, a solution could be to let the single tap show/remove the banners only where the banners are or would be. Another option would be to use a shirt up or down swipe to reveal/hide the banners. Removing functionality for power users in order to make a banner move seems excessive.0
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The ability to highlight words, phrases, or portions of verses and then change the color of the highlights on the fly is an essential feature for me. This is something I've used for years within Logos. Please make it possible again!0
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@Mark Barnes (Logos) I appreciate you listening to us, and I really hope you will hear our concerns.
My answer is first b) I edit/delete highlights often. Why do I edit/delete highlights often? I use a highlighting palette I made for marking up books as I read ( https://documents.logos.com/documents/69471fe038b3415ab4376a88b702d3a9/details). Below is what a typical commentary might look like after finish reading it. As you can see , there are basic underlines/bars , stars for important things , exclamation marks for surprising/convicting things , question marks for things I don't understand , X's for things I disagree with. Sometimes , as I am reading , something that was a question mark become clear , and I change it to a simple underline. Other things that were underlined I decide I want to star-underline , etc. Sometimes I realize a highlight is too long for an underline , so I use a sidebar underline instead for the paragraph , and underline a more specific sentence within the broader paragraph. As I read , I change many , many highlights.
My second answer is c) I disagree that it is just one more click to change the highlight. It is at least 5 clicks , with multiple other inconveniences along the way. I have to click somewhere where the highlight is. I have to scroll down to see the correct highlight (sometimes there are multiple , when I highlight a paragraph with a sidebar , and a sentence within a paragraph with an underline). It's not as easy to see that you have the correct highlight compared to when the highlight automatically selected and you could see it in the resource. The I need to click on the correct highlight , click on the highlighting style , scroll to the desired highlight style , click the desired highlight style , and click done. That is wayyyy more cumbersome than clicking on the highlight , verifying that it is correct , swiping if necessary to a recently used highlight style , and clicking on that highlight style.
By the way , I often had overlapping highlights and it was never an issue. When it was , I would use the method you suggested. The logic seemed to select the smallest highlight that overlapped where you tapped. If I wanted to select the bigger highlight , I would select where the smaller highlight didn't overlap.
Please , please listen to our concerns! I have 54 ,000 highlights. This is a big deal for me , and it was working beautifully for a year.
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This feature needs to be reversed. I agree with many of the comments of others. The ability to highlight words , phrases , or portions of verses and then change the color of the highlights on the fly is an essential feature for me. honestly , one of the main features of why I was willing to spend as much money as I have on Logos. This feature set Logos apart from Kindle and other digital resources.
This update has wasted a significant amount of time in my study flow and to my personal devotions (as I just started using logos for that).
I would suggest if there is a need for users to more easily see the menu then add a triple tap for that feature.
I would be grateful if you changed things back to the way that they were.0 -
@Miles DeBenedictis I agree with Miles.0
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@Geoff Box I agree with Geoff0
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@Mark Barnes (Logos) If you consider implementing the single-click to select highlights, please note this comment of mine from another thread. (*ATTENTION: New Touch Gestures* - Logos Forums):
Maybe Logos can find a way to make both of us happy! One idea: Have different behavior in Bibles vs. Resources , so verses are default-selected in Bibles , whereas highlights are default-selected in Resources. In other words , by priority , verse (in Bibles) > highlight > sentence.0 -
@Robert Kelbe I see there is a quicker way to get to the highlights than I described. However, it still takes more clicks, and takes time to figure out the correct highlight, and you can’t see the text while editing the highlight style, all of these were much better before.0
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I love Logos, but I can't think of a more annoying feature that has ever rolled out in an update.
Highlighting and highlight editing is a feature I use every week in sermon prep, and with that, I have to say that I strongly dislike the new single-tap feature for two main reasons:
1. The new feature makes highlight editing extremely annoying , slow , and cumbersome.
2. The new feature is unnecessarily redundant , as scrolling down accomplishes the same function without the headache.
The new single-tap feature has turned my Logos experience into a frustration , as the interface distracts me from my workflow. Rather than focusing on the text , I am constantly distracted by the clunky experience caused by the update.
I appeal that you either (1) revert to the old system or (2) give an option in settings to turn off the new single-tap feature.0 -
@James Maxim To answer this question: b) You edit/delete highlights very often , so even an extra tap takes a lot longer because you're doing it often. If so , can you help us understand why you edit/delete highlights often.
editing and deleting highlights often is the regular part of my study.
I have a system in which I highlight different colors for different uses. I use blue to highlight main points. I use red to highlight where the gospel is being mentioned, I use green to highlight I might paraphrase, I use orange to highlight something I might quote.
In other words, I’m constantly changing the color of the highlight as I’m going through a text and commentary. So having a single tap to quickly switch the color saves significant amounts of time. Also, I will underline certain words in places where I have highlighted, so the need to have a single tap is essential.
Also I resonate with what Matthew has said below. "Rather than focusing on the text, I am constantly distracted by the clunky experience caused by the update.
Thank you for listening.0 -
My view is that the UI/UX change that came with version 32 (IOS) works very well. I like the single tap to get the menu elements to return. It was a pain to reliably call up those menu elements under the previous method. The current method presents a very organized and reliable way to get to highlights and notes, and to enable users to modify/delete those highlights and notes. I find the whole thing far more reliable and more efficient. I've read the other comments and as someone who uses notes/highlights extensively, I'm not the criticisms of this design. I say that with no disrespect to the commenters, but only to say I'm honestly not seeing how this UI has created any friction points compared to the immediately preceding design that seemed very inconsistent to me.0
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@Mark Barnes (Logos) In the event that my response reaches you if you’re still watching this thread, I wish to echo the sentiment of all the users here, especially that of @Matthew James Stanghelle : “I love Logos , but I can't think of a more annoying feature that has ever rolled out in an update”. If you hear nothing else , PLEASE understand that , none the less , if you’d like more insight please keep reading for responses to your questions:
Importantly ,
“why is that extra tap is so important?”
Because it’s not just one extra tap; it’s an extra hold , and we can’t easily re-select the passage.
Stands to reason that highlighted text is of great significance to the user by virtue of the fact that it’s highlighted. The user will likely want to do other tasks with the highlighted passage. In response to your questions:
a) it was clear it’s a two tap process. It’s a very discouraging two taps. One includes a hold, and the whole thing feels broken.
b) with the most genuine respect, I’m hesitant to explain why I use highlights at the risk of my approach being assessed as not how the company designed the Bible study process (to which I’d say the single tap is not only helpful for all users, but the toolbar visibility approach in general is beginning to get messy, and I’d encourage the developers to take a fresh read of the Apple HIG (human interface guidelines) and consider adopting a robust approach. This is one of very few areas of software where you can get it right for all users (well, almost all), and give options to users.
c) this is a bold change to force on users, and with no warning. A simple “enable legacy highlight gestures” would have not been difficult to implement as part of this change. To this point I am speaking with experience as an Apple developer.
Not for nothing - trying to figure out if this was something I’d done wrong, or a bug, came at the expense of some outstanding study sessions which I’d gone to great lengths to organize time today for, so to find out that this change was intentional between the support agent who gave me this suggestion-box link and yourself who is asking why we care so much about this, leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth if I’m honest. Now that this is fully expressed, thank you for listening to us all, and God bless.0 -
Tap on a highlight should interact with the highlight as before.
Tap anywhere OTHER than highlighted text can show/hide menu. Then we can all be happy, right?0 -
Please roll back this change. Please. The app is now so clunky and troublesome to use that I'm looking for alternatives. I really hate to lose such a significant investment but this destroyed my workflow.0
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@JR Taylor Well, some people have so many highlights that it’s the non highlighted text that stands out. They really just need to revert it until they can address the toolbar visibility properly0
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The solution that is presented doesn’t work. Part of the beauty of Logos is its ease of use. Highlighting is a most basic function and now you have made it difficult. I would even describe it as an unmitigated disaster. It is now so annoying that I would consider not recommending the product as a whole.0
