Sermon Editor...Still broke.
Logos folk…this needs attention. I am not aware any discussion in Beta forums or continued mention here. All the new fancy bells and whistles in the world does not matter if we cannot trust the program to do our basic work.
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I use sermon editor all the time… what is wrong with it
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More detail:
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The editing process is erratic. Input deletes, duplicates, or will not move in response either to mouse or arow keys. With few changes I was able to complete this week's sermon but I have to move slowly and carefully to make sure I don't introduce errors into what is my second draft.
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Do you have it open on more than one device? What you're describing regarding deletes, duplicates, etc, sounds like what can happen if a document/sermon is opened or updated from two devices.
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I'm not sure I have experienced anything broken. But I hate the new sermon editor. Everything is less efficient (in fact everything in this latest update makes things less efficient). Things take longer, the formatting takes up more space on the screen so you have to scroll more. I guess if the feedback is mostly positive from people then I'm the weird one, but I can't can't used to it. I dislike it so much to the point I wish logos had competition at this point because I'm almost done with it.
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I use it all the time as well, and it is not working as it should or has in the past. Copying and pasting in it has erratic results. Line spacing is often very off, place many spaces in between lines, especially when using Copy Bible Verses tool. Highlighting a word or words to edit them and afterward clicking off of them selects several words around it, then next click off of them selects whole paragraph, then finally next click will do what it is supposed to do, Duplicating lines that you highlighted to edit when you never even clicked copy or paste. There are probably more that I am forgetting, but building a sermon now has become a chore.
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No. I would not have a sermon I am writing open on more than one device.
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I just did a quick perusal of the forums and not only is there no indication of what if anything is being done, there are actually reported issues that show the Sermon Editor is "brokener" than it has been. Logos folk…little update or hand-holding might be nice here. We use this for our life work you know.
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I believe the fixes are in the current beta:
Here's the latest beta release update notes. Or at least I'm pretty sure it's the latest beta release.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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So we get Logos 40.0 Beta in February?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I started another thread (squeaky wheel?) on this topic after I read the release notes for the 40.0 Beta, which does not mention any fixes for the problems many of us are encountering.
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Oh, my gosh Faithlife, this is so frustrating, please fix the sermon editor!!! I am tired of spending so much time writing a sermon and then coming back to refine it and just simply wanting to add an s to a word to make it plural, I put my cursor at the end of the word and type "s". But do I get an s, NO! I get the whole sentence pasted again right where my cursor is. To add insult to injury, you try to delete what it just pasted, NO! It won't delete. So you try to delete what you had already typed and leave the pasted portion, good, back on track now to add the s and go on, NO! Wrong again, after hitting s then space it turns into a comma. Try to backspace to delete, NO! the cursor just goes past that letter and leaves it. Try to highlight the word or words to delete that way, nope, wrong again. My goodness, what do I need to do to properly edit my sermon?
This needs to be priority one! This is not acceptable!
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I use the Sermon editor to create slides for Proclaim, but recently, I've lost that functionality.
Here's my workflow. I create the sermon in MS Word (the sermon editor isn't robust enough to use stand alone for my purposes), copy and paste into the Sermon Editor, create slides for scriptures by clicking next to the scripture and clicking "add biblical reference" and then export to Proclaim.
Created slides used to be a rather simple, painless event. However, somehow they've deleted the ability to choose between content slides and biblical reference slides. As such, the slides do not export correctly.
Logos, please fix this! Because of the delete, I now have to create my Proclaim slides by hand, one at a time which takes forever.
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Just drawing this thread to your attention.
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I am having similar issues. When I paste anything into the editor, multiple spaces are added between each line. The auto verse (using Tab or Enter) gives varying results. Sometimes, the whole sermon will just go blank if I hit the tab before the verse turns blue. I have to close the window and reopen the sermon. I loved the editor up until just a few weeks ago.
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We are busy investigating all of the issues raised in this thread.
If anyone else sees text that is duplicated or deleted while editing a sermon, we would like to hear your description. So far we are not able to duplicate this in-house.
Posting a video would also be very helpful. This can also be emailed to cs@logos.com, with a link to this thread.
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I don't have a video at this time, but one hint is that most of mine has happened on text that was first copied and pasted into my sermon, like from my notes or from some commentary or book.
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I don't have a video at this time, but one hint is that most of mine has happened on text that was first copied and pasted into my sermon, like from my notes or from some commentary or book.
An easy way to reproduce is go to any Sermon Outline books in Logos, copy the numbered outline. If you post it straight into the sermon editor, it will be in a block and I don't want that so paste it in Wordpad, then copy it from Wordpad and paste it into Sermon Editor, Now it is a form I can work with. Now go to any of the numbered points and try to change the wording anywhere in the sentence and it will paste the whole line without you telling it to.
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I'm using Sermon Editor frequently in Logos MAX and am experiencing none of the disconcerting issues I in this stream.
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For some reason it doesn't do it on the main points that are numbered, but any subpoints under that main point seem to reproduce this bug every time.
Again from copied and pasted sermon outlines.
Really anything that is copied and pasted into the sermon can have this effect though.
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Sorry for all the posts, but I seem to be at least narrowing the copy and paste bug down.
If I copy a sermon outline and paste it to Wordpad, then copy and paste back into Sermon Editor, I get the bug every time.
But if I copy sermon outline and paste it into Microsoft Word, then copy and paste back into the Sermon Editor, I do not get the bug.
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On further investigation this bug also happens when using Open Office.
Using WPS Office, same bug
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Can we please just get the last version of sermon editor when everything worked?
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@Joey Midgett I am pretty sure you can bypass using a Word pad and recopy by pasting without formatting. On a Mac, which is what I use, you hold Command Shift V. You can also right-click and choose paste without formatting. I still find it is pasting with a lot of extra line spacing.
For the thread in general, I find the extra line spacing when using the copy bible verses widget and pasting it into the sermon editor, as well as when pasting from outside applications. I am using an M2 Mac mini.
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The spell-check feature in the sermon builder is not great. Here is an example of a word that is only one letter off. It recognizes that the word is misspelled but will not give a correct answer; there is just an option to "add to the dictionary." Sometimes, if I keep right-clicking, after several times, It will offer a correct spelling; other times, I have to manually spell the word correctly, or if it's a word I am not sure how to spell, I keep changing letters until it decides to give me a suggestion.
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Pasting without formatting does not work. It has the same bugs. In order for it not to happen, I HAVE to paste into Word and then back into Sermon Editor.
I did find another work-around:
If I post it to clippings document and then copy and paste into Sermon Editor, it does the same as pasting into Word then back into Sermon Editor.
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Not one of the changes I've noticed is helpful, just clunky.
There are also simple things that are broken.
It just worked previously. Who asked for these types of changes?
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To be honest, I am almost at the point of switching to Microsoft Word until these things are fixed. I am a preacher that works a full time job and sometimes a second job, which is why many times I need the help of Sermon Outlines to make my sermon building quicker. Don't get me wrong, I still put in many hours of study and prep, but some weeks I have less time than I'd like.
And the unreliability of this program to manage and edit my sermons, from copy and pasting into it to simply using the Copy Bible Verses and it not formatting the way it is supposed to or used to, and the crazy things that happen to the text as I try editing my sermons, I have to spend all the time I gained by using the help of Sermon Outlines by trying to safeguard my sermon from being deleted and changed in ways I do not want.
I used to have an all-in-one software for Bible study and sermon prep and writing. Now, that is not true.
I do hope and pray this gets fixed and fast. I would much rather have the old Sermon Editor back even without any AI Assistant.What if you implemented a legacy Sermon Editor like the old one, before all the fancy features, alongside of the new one with all the bells and whistles?
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You know, these problems in Sermon Editor sound very much like the bug in the text boxes in this forum, which has not been fixed btw. Unless I switch to 'Mobile site' in my (Android) browser I experience these same issues (duplicate text, weird deletions, etc). Maybe there's a connection?
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