New feature: Sermon Assistant
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Thank you, Mark. On the flipside, please don’t push this book too far down as I’m sure there are plenty of users who like getting the quick bitesize answers it provides. Would prioritizing it make it show more of your fix starts hiding it?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Got Questions is a website that has spent years optimizing to rank highly in Google searches. As a result, it often ranks highly in Smart Search, too. This shows their team has done great work with their SEO, but it does give the book a higher prominence than some users would like. We've already applied some simple improvements, but ranking algorithms are notoriously difficult to tune. If you're desperate, you can hide the book, and then it won't show up at all.
I hope you can achieve a good middle ground for this resource; I like it a lot but do also understand that others may not appreciate its prominence in the search results.
Mattillo said:Would prioritizing it make it show more of your fix starts hiding it?
Aside from whether prioritizing has any impact on the smart search, can we prioritize monographs?
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In order to keep the AI from using the book "Got Answers", I would have to hide the book from the Logos Library on the Logos computers. I don't think the powers that be there will allow that. When I do an AI search, it does not consider any resources on my computer or in my account. It searches the resources at logos.com. Even if I never owned a particular resource, the AI shows the link to the resource. If it is not on my computer, it shows the price to buy it and the standard sample pages from the book that you get from the sales page.
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Buck McDaniel said:
When I do an AI search, it does not consider any resources on my computer or in my account. It searches the resources at logos.com. Even if I never owned a particular resource, the AI shows the link to the resource. If it is not on my computer, it shows the price to buy it and the standard sample pages from the book that you get from the sales page.
Are you referring to how it is used in the Sermon Assistant or specifically using an AI-assisted search - the All search?
If the latter then, if you switch to a Books search and selects the Smart search option, then Logos will only search books that you own.
It has been requested that this option be incorporated into the All search but I don't know if that will be done.
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Honestly, I find the alliteration of the generated Sermon Outline titles highly annoying. Too often they are a distraction from the message rather than adding real value.
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Hi Lee - and welcome to the forums
Lee Corpier said:Honestly, I find the alliteration of the generated Sermon Outline titles highly annoying
I hadn't remembered that the outlines generated were alliterated - so just ran a test generating an outline for John 1:1-14. This gave me these headings:
I'd be interested to know what you are doing to get the alliterated titles. Could you describe the steps you are taking and post some screenshots showing the results (please use the paperclip icon in the forum editor)?
Graham
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It seems like a useful AI tool would be for Logos to summarize the text of my sermon. That would let me see if the points I want to make are clear enough (at least for a robot to pick them out.)
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I have a use case, but i'm unsure if it is in the scope of what this Ai is seeking to accomplish. OR potentially i am doing it incorrectly. Below is my input, but i got an error message. I work with muslims abroad, and have the privledge of being able to faciliate very open conversation groups and studies about all areas of faith. From Sacrifice to Prayer. I would love for this system to be able to aid me in producing pertinent questions and applications for these groups and our classes. Is this possible, or would i need to structure it like a sermon to recieve a helpful output?
Interfaith-Dialogue: Love FeastWe are meeting as a cultural center with our students. Our students are muslim and we share Jesus with them in class, in life, but also very specifically in Interfaith harmony nights.Tonight we are having a love feast/Agape feast. We want to fellowship. But also have a facilitated time of questions in small groups.The topic is about worth & value. Human worth. Individual worth & identity. Innate from God, and for others. We want them to feel loved and valued and discuss essentially that.One reason we want to do this, is due to the war in Gaza. Most of or students are palestinian, so the have been affected a great deal.0 -
Apps McNorton said:
I would love for this system to be able to aid me in producing pertinent questions and applications for these groups and our classes. Is this possible, or would i need to structure it like a sermon to recieve a helpful output?
I have been copying chapters of books and pasting them into Sermon Builder which has a feature that looks at sermons and generate questions based on the text. So I pasted your text in there just now and it generated the following question. So if you created a more comprehensive block of text you could certainly get what might be useful questions generated that.
What is the primary purpose of the Interfaith harmony nights mentioned in the sermon?
How does the speaker intend to facilitate discussions about worth and value during the love feast?
What theological beliefs underpin the idea of human worth and identity as discussed in this sermon?
In what practical ways can we demonstrate love and value to others in our daily lives?
How can understanding our innate worth from God influence our interactions with others, particularly in an interfaith context?
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That’s very helpful thank you. This seems like it will be a huge blessing. I really appreciate it!
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I finally used this feature today, and I'm amazed at the results.
I wrote my sermon with the general structure that I normally used and then turned to the Sermon AI feature to see what questions it would develop.
At first I used it to generate questions that were Life Application questions for Adults and Teens. I then went through the questions and selected a few of them to be the "Heading" slides that will be displayed as I preach different parts of my sermon. I was also able to revise one of the questions to become my Sermon Title (I have struggled for decades in creating sermon titles.)
Then I used it to generate questions that were Life Application questions for Children. I then selected one question to ask the children who would be part of our Children's Message time. After I added a bit of context before the question, my Children's Message was completed very quickly (I've struggled also in trying to figure out appriate tie-ins between my sermon and the children's message, so this is a great help.)
The fact that this was done based on my already written sermon is so helpful. The questions pick up my themes very well, and I don't feel like I'm presenting someone else's work, or trying to fit my thoughts and someone else's together.
Whoever guided the development of this feature has done a great job.
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Graham Criddle said:
I'd be interested to know what you are doing to get the alliterated titles.
Alliterated headings will often, but not always show up. For example, for John 1:1-14, I got:
1. Proclaiming the Eternal Word
2. Participating in the Light
3. Pondering Our Acceptance
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When I use the Sermon Assistant I can see where it will give me suggestions for illustrations and questions, but I do not have options for Outline and Application. What am I doing wrong?
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David Spencer said:
When I use the Sermon Assistant I can see where it will give me suggestions for illustrations and questions, but I do not have options for Outline and Application. What am I doing wrong?
What platform are you doing this on?
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Windows PC for the screen shot, but it does the same thing on my Mac as well.
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David Spencer said:
Windows PC for the screen shot, but it does the same thing on my Mac as well.
Please try again with the screenshot - using the paperclip icon in the forum editor
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I would like to be able to give the sermon assistant more direction in what I'm looking for. I've tried putting in very detailed language and specific directions but it seems to only be intent on the theme. As a result, I have to generate multiple outlines (sometimes up to 6) before I get one that has what I am really looking for in an outline. As I understand it, each outline generation is one AI credit so I've wasted 5 credits to get the one I wanted had it followed my directions. I used to have an AP like that.
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In short:
Passage : James 1:1-18
Theme: Semantic Grouping for James 1:1-18
run ai and usually get a spot on outline.
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Here is another shot of my screen on PC and Mac:
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I love the sermon assistant !! It really helps me think outside of the box and it expands my view even wider and deeper of the passage I am studying!! thank you for adding this and changing to a subscription setup. I am able to expand my use of logos, and I am learning new ways to expand my use of logos and the AI has helped with all of this!!
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I downloaded the New Era Logos yesterday, and my Sermon Builder hasn't the AI Sermon Assistant. How can I get it please
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Christie Smit said:
I downloaded the New Era Logos yesterday, and my Sermon Builder hasn't the AI Sermon Assistant. How can I get it please
I think you have to subscribe to Logos Pro for that to become part of your system Christie.
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Thank you Mike. You are right, I have Logos Premium without Sermon Assistant 🥹
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I agree. I was hoping I might find the same options in Notes. Then I could copy/paste what I wanted into my sermon.
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I like the Sermon Assistant and I admit I like some of the questions generated better than the ones I find for the small group studies. I'd like to be able to generate a sheet of those questions WITHOUT having to include questions in my sermon. For instance, this week I'm preaching on God's response to Job in chapters 38-41. Obviously I can't cover all 4 chapters in my sermon, but would like to give my congregation questions to consider while at home.
Do I need to copy those questions from the sermon to a "Bible Study" page, or can I create a separate sheet that would accompany the sermon?0 -
What about using the questions handout in the sermon builder
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The personal AI generated illustrations rubs me the wrong way. I know they're AI generated and the disclaimer is given to verify them. They're not genuine or personal and it's between the preacher and the Lord should one use one of the illustrations to lie to the congregation. If possible, I think greater consideration should at least be given to the phrasing of the disclaimer, possibly even the POV from which they're written/generated. I think I'll stick with the hypothetical or historical illustrations for now.
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Super helpful feature! Thanks for the roll out.
By way of improvement. I find, putting sermon series outlines together to be some of the most time consuming work in my responsiblities. It would be asweome to have a feature to put a 4 week series together on a topic and/or a book series together to exegecitcally preach through a book of the bible.
I've used Chat GPT to help with some of this. Recently I used it as a very starting place to build a 12 week series on the life of Paul, but again, GPT is trained on the logos library. AI will never take the place of study, prayer or Biblical education, but if I'm doing that stuff already it can help speed up a few of the processes. Thanks for the tools you're building to help us more efficiently and effectively preach the word. May God water it and produce fruit through it!0 -
hi there,
so far the AI functions are good, not epic yet but good. I don't personally want it to take over my studying and reliance on the Sprit so that's a good thing I suppose. would be amazing t get it to summarize bible story's as reference material. For instance summarizing the pass-over story (ie. Exodus 1-12).
Nice.
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Are there any plans to implement things like "improve," "shorten," "convert to bullet points," or things along the lines of what PulpitAI does? I know there are other external AI tools for this, but having them self-contained within Logos would be nice. Chris
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Is there any thought to the future versions taking into account the "tradition" of the account to shape the illustrations more along the lines we would create for ourselves? I am not using the tool for sermons as much as building notes for a class over selected text and have enjoyed the idea of it, but thus far the AI generated illustrations are super short and slanted a bit away from my preferred reformed tradition. I think a local LLM approach that truly was limited to the books in our collection option might be wonderful in addition to the existing larger often times from the store references I am getting.
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I think this tool got quite some potential, but it is really lacking more comprehensive configuration. Like providing information that shall be considered: Context of church, culture information, focus on exegetical accuracy and hermeneuticts, thematic focus and so on.
Would be great to textually add extra context to requests.
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I am exploring this feature and see great potential for it! I am currently using the prompt, "What does Ignatius of Antioch say is required for the church to exist?" I love the results. However, it would be great if they also included a way to read some of the points of the results in the texts from which they are being pulled.
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Question on the future development of AI tools in Logos with respect to the sermon editor. I have seen some other tools on the internet that will create an AI chatbot based on your specific sermon. You can ask it questions to help refine your sermon. For example, you can use prompts like: "Does this sermon effectively point people to Jesus and their need for Him to be their Savior?" or "Give me advice for better transitions between my main points."
I think there is a TON of potential here. You could have a small library of categorized prompts to help preachers refine their sermons. You could even have different prompts based on material from great preaching books like "Christ-Centered Preaching" by Bryan Chapell.
One other AI tool I've seen is the ability to generate a complete small-group study guide based on a particular sermon. Again, you could have different prompts available based on the type of study you prefer (OIA, etc.). Many services will also generate a five-day devotional based on the content of your sermon.
I put in a LOT of work each week preparing sermons. Tools like these would greatly help my congregation interact with and apply the Sunday sermon throughout the rest of the week.
Have there been any discussions about incorporating tools like these directly into Logos?
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Yes, please!
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Yes, we have considered tools like that (and even prototyped some internally). In my own sermon prep, I sometimes use ChatGPT in similar ways to the ones you describe, so if this feature existed, there'd be at least two of us using it! That said, we're not actively working on a feature like this right now — but if it's something that more people want and would find beneficial, that could certainly change. You might consider making the suggestion here, where other users can support it by voting on it.
Sermon Assistant can already generate questions from a completed sermon, so that might be something you can use to help complete your small group study.
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Thanks for your response, Mark. I will definitely share my suggestion at the link you provided to see if we we can get it to gain some support. I'm glad to hear that it is at least on the "radar," even if in a small capacity.
I'm aware of the Sermon Assistant feature that generates questions from my sermon. That's helpful, but it's really just a list of questions that I would have to copy/paste into another document and format. What would be more helpful is if it generated an entire document with a complete small group guide or 5-day devotional that I can go back and make changes to as needed.
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How do I get rid of the annoying Sermon Assistant tab. To me it seems more like a "solution" looking for a problem; unwanted clutter.
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I admit to not reading all of the comments, so hopefully this is not a repeat. However, I was wondering if the roadmap included being able to add more prompts to the generator. I use a lot of different sermon structures, and would love the ability to ask that the outline it generates would be in specific sermon structures.
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I don't use it very much if at all. I did try it out and felt like someone else was doing my thinking for me or trying to lead me in a direction I didn't want to go. So, guess it's not for me. I'm content to build my own. 😎
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I agree with you. Using AI sermon tools feels too much like rolling the dice and hoping to get something useful. Often times I find that it doesn't generate anything that is in line with my own thinking and direction. The problem is that you cannot interact with it to get better content. The advantage of an AI sermon chatbot is that you can interact with it. You feed it your ideas, and then it can help you organize your thoughts and give you feedback and suggestions that are in line with your own thinking. If it doesn't get your direction right away, you can correct it, and it will give you better feedback. Currently, I use Chat GPT for this but it would be so much more useful and convenient if this AI feature was built into Logos.
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