FREE BOOK/AI EXPERIMENT/LOGOS LIMITS: "Our Father" in Nordic Languages

MJ. Smith · 2025-07-20T07:24:44+00:00

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Known Logos limits:

The translate function does not handle personal books.
The text comparison does not handle multiple texts in the same book.

Discovered AI limits:

It claimed there were "Our Fathers" in languages that it then refused to offer them in.
I had to fight it to not include the doxology in the Catholic version although it omitted the embolism.
It then refused to include the Amen in the Catholic version although it included it in the Lutheran version.
It would argue over providing an unofficial translation when no ecclesial approved text existed … despite telling me about them in the overview.
It preferred to provide reconstructions for the older languages rather than track down an actual occurrence.
In one case it insisted on giving me a line of garbledegook rather than seek alternative sources - although it offered to send me to those alternatives …

Now I need people familiar with Nordic languages to tell me how gullible I am … or did I manage to weed out most the garbage data without successfully filling in all the blanks.

Our Father in Nordic Languages.docx

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NichtnurBibelleser

Now I need people familiar with Nordic languages

I looked at the document. I'm sorry that I can't contribute anything to the versions contained. Are you interested in German versions (which I could look up)?

Veli Voipio

I am not sure what you are asking / looking for, but I'll give a try. I've read the Finnish examples, and everything looks all right for me, except in the Lutheran version authorized this line sounds strange to me: "Anna meille tänä päivänä se päivän leipämme. " (Give us today THE DAY'S bread) The corresponding line in the Catholic version authorized sounds normal.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1374689#Comment_1374689

if I managed to get this one relatively correct i.e. I identified AI errors, I will want to make similar sheets for Germanic, Slavic, Romance, and other languages. I am particularly interested in how they handle the "forgive us our trespasses…" line.

Mikael Agricola

NichtnurBibelleser

Here's a paper with solution for my students:

Vater_unser_Aufgabe_DMtGescDeutSprU1.pdf

Vater_unser_Lösung_DMtGescDeutSprU1L.pdf

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1374715#Comment_1374715

That is exactly what I am asking for. I'll now find a way to check the actual wording with a subject expert or authoritative source. In this case I happen to have a grade school classmate, son of an Apostolic Lutheran Church (which had Finnish in its name still in the 50's) preacher who will be able to tell me. He is living in Helsinki so he should be current.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1374717#Comment_1374717

Thank you. It will be a big help when I get to the Germanic languages.