Will Logos be producing a 2025 version of the ESV?
https://www.esv.org/about/2025-updates/
I have moved this to our forum dedicated to books and resources. If you have not done so already, this would be a great product suggestion in our book requests forum.
Not sure I'd want to pay full price for such minor changes, but those I read seemed a more natural reading - style wise at least.
No way I’m replacing my “Permanent Text” edition 😐️
Seems liike a ridiculously small alteration to justify a new edition.
I can't imagine Logos not incorporating the updated version changes. They have done this before if I remember correctly.
it is a measly update for sure. I went through my current copy and noted the 30-something changes.
I'd favor Logos producing the new version. One update in 9 years isn't bad even if it costs $10 or so. No one need buy it, but I'd like to have it to keep up with what is in print.
I prefer this to a stealth update, which is what we've gotten in the past, but the described updates aren't worth $10.
This is making me feel more confident in my drift over the last few years away from using the ESV as my default version. The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
Is this really your experience? In small groups, I'm not used to expecting everyone has the same version and for a lectio divina start for meetings, I count of people using differing translations.
Yes, specifically in larger groups, when the verse are being projected on a screen and speaker is reading aloud from a different edition. The audience is left wondering whether the speaker is deliberately modifying the text. It's not a huge problem but an unnecessary distraction.
Ironically the most profound changes (in Genesis) revert back to the 2011 edition.
Genesis 3:16 ?
I think they are giving in to political pressure on that. I am assuming that in 2016 they were in agreement that the change was correct, but there was a lot of negative feedback.
@John Personally I prefer the fact that the 2011 and 2025 versions of those verses in Genesis are less interpretative and are simply a translation.
For this type of situation, I completely agree; a stealth edit would be disruptive. This, in my opinion, is a no-brainer and should be taken care of by the person preaching/leading the Bible study, even if there is a guest speaker. I know the Bible I read primarily from is the ESV 2011 text (but we don't have a projection screen or anything at my church). However, I think the point that @MJ. Smith is making is the rest of the congregation or members of the Bible study may not have the same translation of the Bible that the pastor/leader has.
I’d prefer an update with a flag/footnote where the changes occur
Logos —- Do we have a timeline for the 2025 text rollout?
Timeline, no. But we are planning to update it.
@Rick Mansfield (Logos) I guess sales for Anglicised translations are less popular. I haven't committed to the current ESV Anglicised version in pre-pub as it's a 2015 edition, but I would back a 2025 Anglicised edition.
Thank you
@Rick Mansfield (Logos) @Mitch Snyder (Faithlife) The ESV 2015 Anglicised version hasn't gained much traction.
https://www.logos.com/product/295855/english-standard-version-anglicised?
Could Logos consider the 2025 Anglicised version instead? That would make a pre-pub order much more attractive.
Is there any update on this request for the updated ESV?
Yes; see updates on this thread:
Thank you so much @Bradley Grainger (Logos)
I have some changes in my ESV ( version "LLS:1.0.710 2026-02-09T14:36:29Z") which also shows citation as "The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2025." But these changes are not in the ESV list from Crossway! From Leviticus 23:Le 23:1 (ESV) Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying,
Le 23:9 (ESV) And the Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying,
Main thing is whether other undocumented changes are anywhere in the text.
Someone made a mistake, it seems! @Rick Mansfield (Logos)
Good catch! As Bernhard pointed out this is a bug. Translating the tetragrammaton as "Yehovah" (and only in those two places) is a) not very ESV-like and b) not what the presumably official version uses: https://www.esv.org/Leviticus%2B23/
I just contacted Crossway about this, and they confirmed that Yehovah in Lev. 23 is an error from within Logos. Interesting random anomaly. @Rick Mansfield (Logos)
We discovered this morning that some unauthorized changes were made in the Logos version of the ESV text as part of the 2025 update (including the two instances of "Yehovah" in Leviticus 23 mentioned above).
This is a significant problem that we are taking very seriously, and we apologize for the lapse in quality control that permitted errors in the ESV Bible to be published.
We are correcting these errors ASAP. Due to the need to update and verify the ESV reverse interlinear alignments it may take another day for the corrections to be published, but fixing this is our top priority.
Fascinating!
Fascinating is not the word I would use! But it’s a nice, tactful word, so it can work too.
Thanks for the quick update @Bradley Grainger (Logos)
Thanks @Bradley Grainger (Logos) for acknowledging the gravity of this issue and for the work being put into rectify it. I am grateful that the 2025 update didn't cost me anything (although obviously work went in to making it available in Logos) and that this error was noticed—and is being addressed—so quickly. For now I'll enjoy my Limited Edition "Yehovah" collector's release 😀
With all due respect, as someone who is responsible for delivering software as part of my work, I cannot figure out how it's possible to accidentally change LORD to Yehovah. What kind of bug would even cause that kind of mistake? Did you allow some kind of artificial intelligence algorithm to make "unauthorized changes"? How is it possible that Logos spent a year making the changes and then accidentally introduced additional "unauthorized changes" and messed up the rollout? How do I justify the cost of my subscription if my Bible text may have "unauthorized changes" in it?
I hope my comment doesn't come across as disrespectful. I myself work on scientific software, where "unauthorized changes" would ruin the validity, not to mention the credibility, of scientific measurements. So we have to be careful. I hope the people at Logos can understand where this sort of approach is necessary.
Bradley Grainger said the following:
“This is a significant problem that we are taking very seriously, and we apologize for the lapse in quality control that permitted errors in the ESV Bible to be published.”
Don’t you think this statement is adequate?
That statement is certainly adequate for minor typos or formatting problems, but replacing LORD with Yehovah is the kind of mistake that begs for an explanation, not just an apology. There's another mistake in Phil. 2:6 where the word "God" is accidentally replaced with the word "man". How is it even possible to make that mistake? Putting man in the place of God has huge theological implications, and is almost borderline blasphemy. It is definitely not a typo. Thus, it would show more integrity if Logos could explain what mistake was made and how they will ensure it is fixed and whether it affects any other Logos products. Otherwise their customers may conclude that their electronic Logos Bibles are corrupted and can't be trusted. This is just my personal opinion; hopefully I don't come across as disrespectful.
I thought the statement was very clear - there was an unauthorized modification to Logos' file. What does this mean? Someone who has access to Logos' servers made an unauthorized change. Who would this someone be? Almost certainly an employee. And he said they are taking it very seriously - what does that tell me? This employee is subject to severe discipline - likely dismissal. I don't think Logos can reveal much more than that without violating privacy rules.
The updated ESV files have been published and are available immediately for the desktop application.
We are working to get them published to the mobile apps later today.
This is how I read it as well. But it's still egregious that something like this could happen. If the Bible text (the Bible!) could be changed like this and rolled out to customers, could other books have unauthorized changes that are not so 'easy' to spot? We are running into trust issues once again 😔
Confirmed, thanks! I relaunched the Desktop app and am now seeing "Lord" instead of "Yehovah" in Leviticus 23:1, 9.
The problem was not as far-fetched as AI-based corruption or as malicious as a nefarious insider.
We have over 2,300 user-submitted typo reports on the ESV. Every single one of the recently-introduced errors ultimately came from a user-submitted "correction". (That's right: someone right-clicked in Philippians 2:6 and reported "God" as a typo.)
All typo reports are normally thoroughly checked against reference material to make sure that Logos Editions match the print. And because of the very high quality standards for our Bibles, almost all typo reports on Bibles are (quite simply) wrong and should never have been considered. We are still investigating, but it appears that a short list of "typos" was mistakenly understood to be part of the list of ESV 2025 Text Updates and integrated along with the desired updates.
This is obviously unacceptable and we will be revisiting our Bible production process to ensure this can never happen again.
No other books in Logos were affected.
Is it a sign that the “Permanent text edition” was not supposed to be replaced 🤔
Thanks for clarifying. I had also assumed this must have been a rouge employee. Good to hear that this was just an honest mistake. Thanks to everyone who worked overtime to correct this!
Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated. 👍️
Thanks for the explanation, open honesty, and accountability regarding this issue, @Bradley Grainger (Logos). It's good to know there's not somebody at Logos nefariously changing the bible.
Question: do you know if the publishers of the ESV-CE plan on updating their edition with the 2025 changes?
do you know if the publishers of the ESV-CE plan on updating their edition with the 2025 changes?
I do not have any information on that, sorry.
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