EEC

There's a thread where others have been discussing exactly this point: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/22500.aspx

I'm only familiar with a few of the authors' names: Walter C. Kaiser, Jr., Ronald Youngblood, H. Wayne House , Eugene Merrill, Stanley E. Porter, and John Oswalt. I've got books by all of them in my current Library.

There's a write-up on Walter C. Kaiser, Jr. in Bible Interpreters of the 20th Century. He taught at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School for many years and later at Gordon-Conwell, which he served as president from 1997 until his retirement in 2006. (This latter date from his Wikipedia entry as the other resource wasn't as up-to-date.) He is the author of the following books in my Logos library:

• Hard Sayings of the BIble
• A History of Israel: From the Bronze Age Through the Jewish Wars
• The Majesty of God in the Old Testament: A Guide for Preaching and Teaching
• The Preacher's Commentary  Series, Volume 23: Micah / Nahum / Habakkuk / Zephaniah / Haggai / Zechariah / Malachi
• Toward an Exegetical Theology: Biblical Exegesis for Preaching and Teaching.

There's a Wikipedia page on Ronald Youngblood. He is the author of the following book in my Logos library (and co-editor of a couple of others):

• The Heart of the Old Testament: A Survey of Key Theological Themes

Here are the "About the Author" blurbs on the rest of them from the Logos website:

H. Wayne House (Th.D., Concordia Seminary, St. Louis; J.D., Regent University School of Law) is Distinguished Professor of Biblical Studies and Apologetics, Fatih Seminary in Tacoma, Washington, and Professor of Law, Trinity Law School in Santa Ana, California. He is author or editor of more than twenty books, including The Christian and American Law and Israel: The Land and the People. [From product description page for Christian Ministries and the Law.]

Eugene H. Merrill (Ph.D., Bob Jones University; Ph.D., Columbia University) is distinguished professor of Old Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, where he has taught since 1975. He is also distinguished professor of Old Testament interpretation at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. [From product description page for An Historical Survey of the Old Testament, 2nd ed. which is among the books of his that Logos carries]

Stanley E. Porter is Principal, Dean, and Professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. His is also visiting Professor at the University of Surrey Roehampton, where he was previously Research Professor in New Testament, Professor of Theology, and Head of the Department of Theology and Religious Studies. He has published extensively in the field of New Testament studies. His works include Idioms of the Greek New Testament, A Handbook to the Exegesis of the New Testament and Semper Reformandum. [From product description page for Handbook of Classical Rhetoric in the Hellenistic Period.]

John N. Oswalt is Research Professor of Old Testament at Wesley Biblical Seminary, Jackson, Mississippi. A former president of Asbury College and former professor of Old Testament and Semitic languages at Asbury Theological Seminary, he also served on the translation team for the New International Version of the Bible. [From product description page for NICOT/NICNT - he did both Isaiah volumes]

After diving into the world of commentaries at bestcommentaries.com and then investing in them on Logos I have noticed that not all series turn out the way were originally planned.  Some change publishers while other switch authors.  Some authors die before their book is to be written and so forth.  I could maybe see purchasing a set that was 2 or 3 years out but 7 years for Matthew, Mark, and Revelation is a long time!

BTW does anyone want to take a shot at when they think credit cards will be charged?  I take it if it hasn't reached "in development" before the first book releases they'll push it through anyway.

Its already reach in development.  Logos is basically the publisher from what I understand so hopefully it changing hands won't be an issue and you will be charged the full amount when the first volume is published.  I believe this is going to be a sticking point for many who would consider this set.

Rosie Perera said:

John N. Oswalt is Research Professor of Old Testament at Wesley Biblical Seminary, Jackson, Mississippi. A former president of Asbury College and former professor of Old Testament and Semitic languages at Asbury Theological Seminary, he also served on the translation team for the New International Version of the Bible. [From product description page for NICOT/NICNT - he did both Isaiah volumes]

John Oswalt is now back at Asbury Theological Seminary.

Paul Newsome said:

Does anyone have a guess when the first book will be released... and I guess after reading, it will be April 1, 2011?

Well, that's a good guess. If they announce it is going to be April 1, then that gives them some wiggle room. If they slip they can always say "we were only joking. April Fools!" [:)]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the concept of getting charged $699 when the first volume is rekeased. [:O]

I do recognize that is a bargain for 44 volumes, but some of us may not be alive when the last volume ships.

Jack Caviness said:

Andrew McKenzie said:

Twenties ? That was so last century for me also Jack.

Don't let the hair color (or lack thereof) fool you. I may be prematurely grey and bald.

To be on-topic, I believe I will pass on this offer. In 2019, I will even be out of my 70s. Besides, I agree with some other posters that $700 is pretty stiff for when the first volume ships.

It would be a lot easier to get excited about this project if I was 20 (or more) years younger.

Dan DeVilder said:

Teresa said:

Do we ever reach a point of saying "I have enough"? 

not if you are a book buying addict. 

Teresa said:

How many more does someone need to study the Bible? 

This always ends up being a personal question, but here are some ad hoc reasons why more commentaries appear:

1. The newer commentaries interact with more current journals, thinking, discoveries that impact the understanding or meaning of a text.
2. Their application/illustration section seems more relevant
3. They might be tied to a newer translation of the Bible
4. They are written by scholars people know and respect vs. guys in the grave
5. Format changes, font, english (or other language) style are more pleasing to the modern reader

Of course there are many more reasons, too (denominational or theological perspective, etc). 

For me, I find that even with a myriad of commentaries, not all deal with certain parts of the text (what a particular phrase means) that I want input on--having multiple commentaries allows a better chance I will have one that deals with it.  Or, perhaps they don't deal with the text in a particular way (some focus on particular language issues, others show the "big picture" of the book's overall flow, etc).  Some commentaries are great for preachers, others for translating into new languages.

You will find commentaries that work for you, and overtime, might discover some that nudge you into a new direction or level of thinking.

 

Some good thoughts and very valid thoughts Dan.  And at the same time Teresa question is also a very good one we need to consider:

Teresa said:

Do we ever reach a point of saying "I have enough"? 

From what I see  and hear I like the concept, and when you work it out on a per volume basis it is good value, but beyond that its very difficult to truly assess if I really need it (yes as a bibliophile I want it , I want) .  The fact of paying $700 upfront for a single volume is really too big an ask I have to agree.  And it would even be difficult I think to make an assessment on just a single volume.  The first volume might not be in our area of particular interest so might not get our attention, whether other volumes very well could.  I really don't know who made the final decision to ask for the money up front but I do think its the wrong one.  Users have been making if fairly clear for a long time that we need some sort of payment scheme for pre-pubs and this would have been the perfect opportunity if this was offered on a subscription basis.  There have been some Lexham titles where you pay up front and get a part completed resource , with updates as they are ready.  But these have involved a lot less money and pertain to a single volume. A $700 set that is going to be release over the next 10 years at least (some titles TBA on release date) is a very different ask of users, even loyal logos users.

(For international users the price point is literally a floating target and so it will depend on the world economy and exchange rates at the time of release on what it is really going to cost - an upfront payment could be a win over the long term but that could only be answered with hindsight)

Dan Pritchett just posted this on the other thread where EEC was being discussed. Hopefully this will answer all our questions.

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/22500/168192.aspx#168192

Abi Gail said:

Rosie Perera said:

Think I should stop now, and check into a 12-step program?

There is enough evidence to at least open such a debate.

...But First...Don't you think we should petitition Logos to produce a collection of Christian 12 step books?

 

Ha, just refered a friend to the following 12 Step program... not sure if would be a popular title amongst the MAC users....

"The Twelve Steps of Apple-holics Anonymous" http://bit.ly/9ZQpjY

Probably not a good idea as a MAC Shipping Day Giveaway

Dan Sheppard said:

Mark A. Smith said:

you can click on an author's name to get some information about him (I think they are all males)

Gee, Mark.

I am surprised that Rosie did not jump right on this.

But in all fairness, I thought I should point out a remarkable opportunity for all the women to point their hostilities toward you.  Unless of course, you are just making an observation.......

There was no need for me to say anything. I didn't even bother to verify the accuracy of Mark's statement. I just trusted him, that the authors were all males. It was actually a male who noticed and pointed out that there was one woman in the bunch. I wouldn't have recognized it. I didn't know Dorian was a woman's name. I'd read The Picture of Dorian Gray years ago but couldn't remember the sex of the subject. (Turns out it's about a man.)

Even if Mark had said "him" without his parenthetical comment and I had known there was a female author, it wouldn't have bothered me. Sometimes I do the same in a mixed context. Sometimes it's grammatically less awkward than the alternatives. The implication that women would want to direct hostilities at someone who uses gendered language is more troublesome to me than gendered language itself.

So I'm really digging the orange and brown color scheme for the commentary set.  Since this project is moving forward online was Logos responsible for whipping it up or was that decided before? 

Jacob Hantla said:

Dan DeVilder said:

Although I see some different traditions represented, it looked like the EEC has a heavier tilt toward Premillenial eschatology--would this be a correct assumption?

That's what I see as I look at the contributors I know well. I'm excited because it seems to be an under-represented group among the major commentators...it also happens to be my persuasion. 

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Dan DeVilder said:

Ted Hans said:

Dan DeVilder said:

Grant Osbourne (Baker Exegetical) is premill,

Grant Osbourne is in the Historic Premill camp, which is different from Dispensational Premill.

Ted

Correct Ted.  And I pointed out in that same post that we have historic/dispensational "varieties."  And let's not forget "progressive dispensationalists" (like Bock) who are different than, say, Jack Van Impe.

Any from the panmill camp ?