iPhone app and sync
Slightly off topic, but... can we expect that the new iPhone app will sync notes and such with the server so they will be available on the desktop?
Excited about the app and look forward to seeing how it will interact with Logos 4.
And my prediction (total guess): when the iPhone app is released, Logos will also make some sort of announcement about Logos 4, showing how some of the features (sync) will work with the upcoming version.
While on Mac products... any expectation of when the Mac beta of Logos 4 will be released? For now at least I have removed my virtual machine from my home computer so for now my work from home is limited to using the existing Logos for Mac.
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do you have a link? havent heard anything, but was away @ weekend
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Currently, all we have is a clear indication of a mobile site. I would like to know, as would a number in the general forums, whether this truly is an iPhone app, a website, or something else.
I need to buy a new phone this month. I do not want to buy an iPhone, but a Logos iPhone app could sway me.
Something more than a teaser would be helpful.
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Damian,
From the pictures and text it is pretty clear that this is an actual iPhone app rather than just a mobile website. I was one of those who initially thought it was just a mobile website, judging by the web address where images are being posted. But all of the pictures are pictures of an actual iPhone app, and the top-right graphic pretty well settles the question: this is an iPhone/iPod Touch application.
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Damian,
I'd hate to see you pulled to the dark side just for a Logos app. Is it really worth an iphone? [+o(]
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Chris, I haven't revisited the site since the first teaser went up - it's now very clearly an iPhone app. More's the shame.
Thomas, I'm not yet convinced. I really want an Android phone....
If the iPhone app is simply a bible reader, then that can be replicated in a number of different ways (I already own a number of olivetree books from my iPaq days). If it will give us access to some of our actual resources, I may become convinced. But, at the same time, I do not want cloud access. The data plans on mobile phones in Australia are punitive - it ain't worth it.
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tcback,
The iPhone is a good gizmo, say what you will about Apple. It has served me quite well. People who oppose the iPhone seem to oppose more the hype than the phone itself. There are some downsides with it, such as the AT&T lock in, but the device itself is quite solid and very useful.
Damian,
The blurred-out sections are quite revealing. Bible Word Study is one of them, Passage Guide is another, so the study tools are there in some form or another. And I suspect resources will be available as well - of what use would word study or passage guide be without other resources? My guess is users will have some ability to pick the resources they want on the phone. Logos is rolling out "in the cloud" resource downloads, as we see with Logos 4, so methinks users can wirelessly manage their resources on the iPhone app. But we shall see.
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Don't forget about the iPod Touch as an option for those who can't or don't want to switch to the iPhone. A refurbished 8GB unit will run you $150 with no ongoing monthly expense. That's the route I'll probably end up going.
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Chris Roberts said:
People who oppose the iPhone seem to oppose more the hype than the phone itself.
That's me, I'm disgusted by the hype and the general aura of apple snobbery. Steve Jobs nauseates me. I just can't overcome that.
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Phi,
I'm in Australia. US pricings aren't much use to me....
And, I actually need a new phone and my contract is about to expire. So, now's the time.What would sell me on an iPhone is if I can download a number of my resources, over my home wifi connection (as iPod touch works) so that I can access them elsewhere. Will I be able to download a few of my commentaries, related to the upcoming Sunday readings... Or, will everything only be accessible through the cloud? If the latter, then I'll happily skip the iPhone (or iPod touch for that matter).I know that you don't want to give away too much... but, I don't want to make a purchase now and repent at long leisure.0 -
tcblack said:
I'm disgusted by the hype and the general aura of apple snobbery.
I can't say that my opinion is too different than yours. I had to swallow a lot of humble pie before buying my first iPod (which I really wanted for the nike+ kit). I haven't regretted that.
Nevertheless, an Android phone would suit my phone needs better than an iPhone.... It will take more functionality on Logos' part to sway me in the direction of an iPhone.
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tcblack said:Chris Roberts said:
People who oppose the iPhone seem to oppose more the hype than the phone itself.
That's me, I'm disgusted by the hype and the general aura of apple snobbery. Steve Jobs nauseates me. I just can't overcome that.
I hate just about everything Apple, especially the "this is so cool!" and "this is so shiny" business, but I really do like my iPhone. It does so many things. So you don't need to be an Apple fanboy to buy an iPhone. [:D]
Fred Greco
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Phil Gons said:
Don't forget about the iPod Touch as an option for those who can't or don't want to switch to the iPhone. A refurbished 8GB unit will run you $150 with no ongoing monthly expense. That's the route I'll probably end up going.
except that you need to find a wifi hot spot if the app uses an internet connection. My wife has an Ipod Touch and I'm looking forward to being able to lay down in bed with it and read myself to sleep :-)
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I would not expect the app to need a persistent wireless connection. When I say "the cloud" in this case I just mean the internet. I suspect the app will download the books you want it to download and those books will be available whether or not you are online. Otherwise why not just do a mobile site? My initial misgivings about a mobile site were precisely for this reason - I want something that will let me access my resources even when offline, and it looks like the app will provide that.0
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Chris Roberts said:
I would not expect the app to need a persistent wireless connection. When I say "the cloud" in this case I just mean the internet. I suspect the app will download the books you want it to download and those books will be available whether or not you are online. Otherwise why not just do a mobile site? My initial misgivings about a mobile site were precisely for this reason - I want something that will let me access my resources even when offline, and it looks like the app will provide that.
Hope your right! Now to talk my wife into trading my Ipod Nano for her Ipod Touch....
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I dig my Mac, but honestly who cares what OS someone uses. It is a matter of function and purpose. If Windows is your style, go for it. But no need to turn this into a battle that does not exist on this forum brother.tcblack said:That's me, I'm disgusted by the hype and the general aura of apple snobbery. Steve Jobs nauseates me. I just can't overcome that.
Sorry to say, so far, the only snobby remarks have come from you my PC friend.
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Sounds like I am out. I just upgraded to a Samsung Omnia mobile device. I love the phone, and AT&T does not service my area. Verizon is the only option for me. So I guess I will not be able to take advantage of a mobile LOGOS app.
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Kenneth,
Don't forget, as Phil mentioned, that the IPOD touch is also an option. No need for a contract or AT&T service.
As for what books/resources will be available, there is at least one screen shot on m.logos.com (The one that has the thumbnail that says "Mark") where, if you read the blurred words, you'll see they say "The Pulpit Commentary," "The Bible Knowledge Commentary," and (this one is hard to read) "A Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Old and New Testaments". This looks to me like we'll have access to commentaries. And my hope is that if we have access to commentaries, then we'll have access to other parts of our library too.
I'm obviously extrapolating here, but having access to a wide range of our library is looking likely!
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Joe Miller said:
Sorry to say, so far, the only snobby remarks have come from you my PC friend.
Ouch. Mea culpa. Sorry.
I meant the aura arriving from the Apple offices, not the users. Pardon me whilst I labor at removing this log from mine eye.
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Philip Spitzer said:
.Who shall deliver us from this OS of death?
Linus Torvalds has already provided deliverance from Windows. But few are they who enter into Linux. Nay many of us who claim to have followed after still reside in windows land or else struggle to break free of Redmond's grasp through the aid of WINE.
If only I could get Logos 4 to play nicely through WINE, I could quite whining and receive grace also from my MAC brethren who also reside upon the kernel technologies of unix.
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I've been a Linux user of various sorts for years. In my last job one of the duties was installing and maintaining a Gentoo system. I love Linux but I know it well enough to know it is just not where it needs to be for my purposes.
This is one reason I love the Mac OS. Being built on BSD means I can open up a terminal window and work from the shell to my heart's delight. So I get the best of both worlds - strong unix tools and a solid overall OS, GUI, and application support. I am not a Microsoft hater by any means but I do love my Mac and it would be hard for me to go back. Linux isn't even on the radar anymore.
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Chris,
Art thou trying to convert me? [:P]
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Fred Greco said:
I hate just about everything Apple, especially the "this is so cool!" and "this is so shiny" business, but I really do like my iPhone. It does so many things. So you don't need to be an Apple fanboy to buy an iPhone.
That's exactly my answer. Thanks Fred. Yes, I did switch about a year ago, after many years (since the first iPaq days) of using the PDA/MDA T-Mobile phones, to iPhone. I thought I will just play with iPhone for a few days and give it to my son [:)]. Well, he had to get another phone. I stayed with iPhone and one of the best thing I really like is the clear and big enough screen, I can actually read on. For Logos that is a big issue for me. I want to really read my books on it, not only to have a good feeling I have them with me [:)]. I am not Apple fun, iPhone though is an exception.
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Thanks for that brother. Love ya'! [H]tcblack said:Joe Miller said:Sorry to say, so far, the only snobby remarks have come from you my PC friend.
Ouch. Mea culpa. Sorry.
I meant the aura arriving from the Apple offices, not the users. Pardon me whilst I labor at removing this log from mine eye.
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In case you didn't see it in the m.logos.com thread:
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who knew King James was such a computer geek?
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Phil Gons said:
Don't forget about the iPod Touch as an option for those who can't or don't want to switch to the iPhone. A refurbished 8GB unit will run you $150 with no ongoing monthly expense. That's the route I'll probably end up going.
Yeah, Phil. I am going to go with the iPod touch. Will the lack of always-on internet functionality hurt it? (I mean is there too much server-side work being done to make it useful while disconnected?)
Also, I don't know much about iPhones and iPod touches: Will older generation iPod touches work?
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Bob, can I be your valet on the trip? I work cheap for room and board and airfare.Chris Roberts said:In case you didn't see it in the m.logos.com thread:
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As a former iPhone hater, I love my iPhone. It started when I bought my ipod and then it died. I bought an ipod touch to replace it and it was a transforming experience. So I got the new 3gs iphone when it came out and have not looked back. It is like night and day. GREAT! There are already GREAT iphone apps, which you can read about in my review at Christian Computing Magazine. But a Logos iPhone app could be potentially life changing if ...
1. It syncs up with the desktop app
2. It allows you to read your books from the desktop app on your iPhone
3. It does not require you to buy the books over again for the new device.
If any of the above is not included, then why bother. Others have done it and are way ahead and this is not needed. It will divert resources away from making logos better.
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Hmm, Kevin... those three things would make a cool iPhone app, wouldn't they? :-)
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Bob Pritchett said:
Hmm, Kevin... those three things would make a cool iPhone app, wouldn't they? :-)
I like this post :-)
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Bob Pritchett said:
Hmm, Kevin... those three things would make a cool iPhone app, wouldn't they? :-)
Those three things would make a cool Windows Mobile App too!
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They'd make a great Blackberry App too.
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And a great Palm Pre app!
(I don't actually have a Palm Pre, I just wanted to ride on the bandwagon)
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Kenneth Morris said:Bob Pritchett said:
Hmm, Kevin... those three things would make a cool iPhone app, wouldn't they? :-)
Those three things would make a cool Windows Mobile App too!
I have a blackberry and have run Windows Mobile in the past. I agree. We need those apps, and my guess is that Logos will end up going there. But if there was ever a break-in market to establish themselves on portable devices, it is the iPhone.
I'm just extremely happy that they are moving in this direction. I think it is future proofing our library by establishing the future success of Logos by making the library portable...the obvious future of this market.Logos is now directly able to compete with Kindle who also lets their books be read on the iPhone. Logos is competing, and will destroy the Kindle in this market because of an inherently superior product, allowing not only reading of books, but whole-library integration and syncing with the desktop. Once word of this gets out to those who are buying books for Kindle, I think that Logos will find themselves with another whole previously untapped market.
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I would love some word on whether Logos is considering developing for other platforms, WinMo, Symbian, Android. The first two definitely have larger market share than iPhone. I'm positive that Android will outstrip iPhone in but a couple of years.
Android would seem the perfect fit for a portable Logos. The latest Archos internet tablet would be ideal. The rumour that Barnes and Nobles' soon to be released eReader will be Android based offers a platform to compete directly with the proprietary Kindle. A number of Linux distributions are working on making Android apps available. This would make a portable Logos available on numerous netbooks.
I really want to buy an Android phone, not an iPhone. But, as I've said, the availability (in the medium term) of Logos will sway me.
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Damian,
Market share of a phone does not mean it would be viable for Logos. But to perhaps challenge some theories on market share, note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone#Operating_systems while Windows Mobile and others would have more existing devices, the iPhone is certainly growing fast and is catching more of the new sales than Windows Mobile. Also, quite a few Logos users, on the forums anyway, have revealed themselves to be iPhone users. The others who have revealed SmartPhone preferences own a smattering of different platforms. I would not anticipate Logos developing software for every platform, though they could surprise me. Frankly, an iPhone app surprises me. I'm curious how they cleared it with publishers.
Also consider the devices themselves. One advantage of developing for the iPhone is a company knows (more or less) what hardware their software will run on. In some ways a plus for Microsoft OS's in general is that it runs on a variety of hardware. This is also a minus. I imagine a challenge exists with selling (?) something like Logos for Windows Mobile, not knowing how many users will call in and complain that it doesn't look/work right on their device. Most of these challenges are removed for the iPhone.
As for Android, it would surprise me if that ever really takes off, particularly as it exists now. Those who go after devices running Android are probably doing so for reasons that do not motivate most users.
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Chris Roberts said:
Market share of a phone does not mean it would be viable for Logos.
Chris,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm aware of the difference between market share and the purchase of apps between iPhone and other handsets. This is no doubt due in great part to the well integrated app store... the others are playing hard at catch up.
I don't share your skepticism re Android. In part, I think it is due to the poor way in which Android was introduced in the States. This should change over the next few months as each of the major carriers introduces android phones and as the next gen of phones are produced. There's a huge amount happening with the development of Android based phones with so many of the major handset manufacturers behind the technology.
My interest is also in the way in which this OS will function on a large number of different devices (how about Logos books on a dedicated ebook reader?). Many of which will be more conducive to the book reading process than an iPhone screen.
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We're responding to stats. We surveyed our users and, of respondents, more than 46% had an iPhone / iPod Touch. Android had 1.4%. (That was the lowest score -- the Palm Pre beat Android! BlackBerry and Windows Mobile were the only platforms beside iPhone/iPod Touch with any significant share.)
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Bob Pritchett said:
more than 46% had an iPhone / iPod Touch.
Wow! That says something about either Logos users in general or those who took the survey.
Bob Pritchett said:Android had 1.4%
This doesn't surprise me given when the survey was held. It'll be interesting to see what next year's survey will produce.
I have no doubt that you're making the right business decision for now. I'd go with an iPhone app before all else as well, especially given how many iPhone users install other programs - my co-Pastor immediately installed the iBreviary program after I told him about it.
My question is whether you are considering developing on other platforms in the medium term. If the answer is simply No. Then, that's OK.
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Jacob Hantla said:
Logos is now directly able to compete with Kindle who also lets their books be read on the iPhone. Logos is competing, and will destroy the Kindle in this market because of an inherently superior product, allowing not only reading of books, but whole-library integration and syncing with the desktop. Once word of this gets out to those who are buying books for Kindle, I think that Logos will find themselves with another whole previously untapped market.
Reading on an iPhone and on a Kindle are two vastly different experiences. I only have the Kindle app so that I can read my Kindle books in a pinch. Reading on the Kindle is so much better and more pleasing. The only way Logos will be able to compete head to head with Kindle is to offer a similar device or if Apple ever gets off the dime and offers their Uber Iphone (tablet) and it is similar. If the new Microsoft dual screen tablet ever actually makes it into production, it might offer Logos a platform to compete with Kindle. Until then I don't see Logos being able to compete in the book reader market unless they offer an export to epub which would make me sing their praises to all I know.
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Kevin,
This would not be competition to Kindle, it would be an extra product for iPhone/iPod Touch users. Nonetheless, I really enjoy reading using the Kindle app, so to each his own. I prefer the backlit screen so I can read in bed without disturbing my wife.
As for the tablet, rumors are flying furiously. Looks like it will be a reality. Maybe. Unless it's not.
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For What It is Worth.... I went for my 3 hour bike ride this morning wearing my Logos Bible Software Jersey riding my Trek Madone 5.5 and listening to my music on my Palm Pre.... I hope that m.logos.com will see it's way to my Pre
Jim
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Bob Pritchett said:
Hmm, Kevin... those three things would make a cool iPhone app, wouldn't they? :-)
The kind of app there might be a super secret beta program for? [:D]
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Jon Rumble said:
The kind of app there might be a super secret beta program for?
Can't say I hadn't had that thought, too. I do have an Ipod touch, you know :-)
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As someone who has beta tested two different Bible products on iPhone, I can say it is fun and I am really good at it .. hint, hint!!
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