New KF Base Packages
We just released a new version of all nine of our base packages (KF), and we wanted
to let you know why. It’s not a major reconfiguration like we do when we release
a new version of the software. It’s a minor maintenance update to make a few adjustments for
some of the publishers we work with and also take care of some other little issues. (It's similar to what we did a few years ago when
we moved from OC to ND.)
Here’s what’s changed (not all of these apply to all base packages):
- At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready. - We’ve added the NET Bible Notes as a separate resource. In previous base
packages, the notes were included only as footnotes in the Bible text itself.
Now you will be able to view them in a separate panel alongside your Bible text. - We’ve added the Logos LXX Variants and its corresponding reverse
interlinear. - We’ve added a new Book of Common Prayer lectionary.
- At Baker’s request, we removed their titles from a few of our
collections. They are still available for purchase on our website as add-on products.
Refer to the comparison chart
for all the details.
There are two items of good news for all existing LE package owners:
- It’s a free crossgrade from your LE package to
its KF replacement, which essentially means that owners of Bible Study Library
and higher get a free copy of the new 2011 NIV. Depending on your base package
level, you may also get some additional titles as indicated above. - You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.
Though the new NIV isn’t quite finished yet, you can go ahead and get your free crossgrade today.The file will download as soon as it is ready.
Comments
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Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE?? [^o)]
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nicky crane said:
Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??
Logos has had a "Scholar's Library" since 2001 (I think), but its contents have changed over time. "LE", "KF" etc. are tags that we add to the name of the product to distinguish these revisions from each other (when it matters). Scholar's Library (KF) is 99% the same as Scholar's Library (LE); Phil listed the differences in his post (under "Here’s what’s changed").
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nicky crane said:
Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??
Ever since we launched the Libronix Digital Library System, we've been keeping track of the different generations of our packages with letters to help to distinguish between versions of Scholar's Library, for example. Usually a new base package generation corresponds to a new version of the software, but not always.
Here's all the generations of our packages so far:
- RA: Libronix 1
- QB: Libronix 2
- OC: Libronix 3
- ND: Libronix 3 (maintenance update)
- LE: Logos 4
- KF: Logos 4 (maintenance update)
Usually the difference between each generation of packages is scores or hundreds of new books. In maintenance updates like KF, it's just a few little things.
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Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
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Thank you, Bradley, for your quick and clear reply! I've ordered the crossgrade [:D]
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How do you come up with those letters? Do they stand for anything, or are they just random? Here are my guesses...
RA = Really Awesome
QB = Quite a Bargain
OC = Obviously Complete
ND = Never Deficient
LE = Learn Everything
KF = Keep Functioning
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
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I ordered the cross grade, thanks! Price is very good, but is there an option for a payment plan [;)]
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Rosie: Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
Douglas: I know, I just feel bad for those who will purchase from now on. [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
YES. That is the statement I was frantically searching for in Phil's announcement. I guess we are "grand-fathered" in as to the content license. I am quite happy about keeping the NIV 1984 and the Baker titles.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Rosie Perera said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
By the way, I could give BECNT and Bakers NT up if Logos could give us Platinum owners the NICOT/NICNT set to replace those...LOL...hey, I got nothing to lose by day dreaming...hehehe.[:P]
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Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
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James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
Manually. Follow Phil's link for "Free Crossgrade" and you will be brought to an order page. Click on the "Free" upgrade and you will finish the process from there.
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James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
I went to the website and got the upgrade for free, but when I click on the download button for L4 it started running the program and then it stopped and told me: "Logos 4 is up-to-date." So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it. Oh well, I'm so happy we get to keep the other titles and get some freebies on the way.
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it.
I think that it is a very quick process simply because it just updates your licenses. I don't think that there are any file changes to the program itself, not until the NIV is released anyhow.
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Rick Hypes said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it.
I think that it is a very quick process simply because it just updates your licenses. I don't think that there are any file changes to the program itself, not until the NIV is released anyhow.
It just downloaded some files...guess what...now I have 2 copies of the "Common Lectionary" -- that's weird. I thought Logos wouldn't copy books twice. I downloaded the free copy last weekend and now I have 2. It's ok, I guess, now it looks like I have one extra resource...hehehe
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Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
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Are BECNT and Baker NT the only Baker titles affected? I need to know so I can add them to my wishlist...they were only there implicitly before by nature of having Platinum on my wishlist.
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I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
The above is for Platnum
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
The first one is the Daily Office, the other is the Sunday Lectionary.
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone. It's pretty significant. Classical Pastoral Care was in Scholars, and The Apostolic Fathers was in Gold. The others were in Platinum. (I don't have Portfolio, so I can't easily check that).
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Phil Gons said:
How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?
Luuk
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Luuk Dondorp said:
How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?
You keep access to the books you've purchase. All you need to do is reinstall Logos and log in with your user name and it will download all the books you have the license to.
Prov. 15:23
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Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone.
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
Luuk
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Luuk Dondorp said:
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
He does mean the latter. Someone who is a new purchaser of a KF base package wouldn't get those resources.
Prov. 15:23
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Luuk Dondorp said:Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone.
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
The latter.
As always, "You won’t lose anything you already have."
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169.
Now how did you do that if we are not supposed to lose any of our LE titles? You should have gained a handful and lost nothing.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Thank you Kevin and Todd for your quick replies !
Luuk
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Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone. It's pretty significant. Classical Pastoral Care was in Scholars, and The Apostolic Fathers was in Gold. The others were in Platinum. (I don't have Portfolio, so I can't easily check that).
FYI, I found the LE and KF Portfolio contents to compare, and this was output of the comparison program:
* Today's New International Version
* Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
* Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible (4 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
* Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)
* The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
* Apostolic Fathers Morphologically Analyzed
* Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)That is to say, those are the ones in LE that aren't in KF. NIV doesn't show up because the old and new versions are named the same. Also, NET Bible notes isn't listed in the contents (I guess it's included as part of the NET Bible).
Mind you, this change does not affect current owners--only future purchasers would need to be aware that these are no longer in the base packages.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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I have Scholar Silver. Upgraded. Lost nothing. Gained the NET notes as a separate entity. I already had the two Book of Common Prayer files from early today when I added the free files. I still have Classical Pastoral Care in 4 volumes from Baker. I wouldn't have the others because I don't own the higher package.
Seems fine...
K
"But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." 2 Timothy 4:5 (NASB)
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Douglas Alvarenga said:James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
I went to the website and got the upgrade for free, but when I click on the download button for L4 it started running the program and then it stopped and told me: "Logos 4 is up-to-date." So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it. Oh well, I'm so happy we get to keep the other titles and get some freebies on the way.
I did stumble around on the minimal crossgrade page awhile before I discovered that NOTHING was free on that page...
Finally, I came back to the upgrade page Phil's link took us to & discovered that Platinum (which I already have) had a "Free" button on it. It seemed counter-intuitive to "upgrade" to it... that's where the only "Free"button I found was located.
After downloading a 361Kb script & running it, like yours mine claimed to be up to date. Since I can't examine collection licenses like L3, I don't know how to confirm my suspicion that it did nothing. I still don't have NET notes as a separate file.
What should've changed?
Ah... had to shut down L4 & restart... Then it found 49.5 Mb of updates. It's working now...
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Todd Phillips said:
FYI, I found the LE and KF Portfolio contents to compare, and this was output of the comparison program:
* Today's New International Version
* Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
* Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible (4 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
* Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)
* The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
* Apostolic Fathers Morphologically Analyzed
* Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)That is a significant hit to the Logos libraries. Perhaps it is in keeping with Baker's decision to release new Baker Academic titles only at full list price. I don't want to hijack the topic on a discussion of this, but am sad to see this happen for new users.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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DominicM
In his original post Phil said that we will retain the TNIV and the 1984 NIV
Phil Gons said:You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.He didn't specify the mechanics.
Graham
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.
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DominicM said:Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
Yes and yes.
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Bradley Grainger said:DominicM said:Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
Yes and yes.
Two questions:
- Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
- Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Sure glad I pulled the lever on purchasing this last week -- I would have really been unhappy if I had lost out on the Baker commentaries by just a few days. . .
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I just upgraded and the BECNT and BNTC are both there.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
I just upgraded and the BECNT and BNTC are both there.
Do you mean you still have them because you did the free upgrade?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Yes..I did the free upgrade and the books I had previously purchased....the BENTC and BNTC are "still" there.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Rosie Perera said:
ND = Never Deficient
Actually ND is secret code for Roman Catholic users = Notre Dame
In the works is a secret code for North American Protestants = NAP [:D]
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I just feel sorry for the new guys that will have to pay the same amount old platinum guys paid but will get less resources for it. Bomber!!! or Bummer? oh well...
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Robert Pavich said:
Yes..I did the free upgrade and the books I had previously purchased....the BENTC and BNTC are "still" there.
Robert i just got done reading this thread and from the very first post phil said you would not lose any resource if you had LE
anyway, feels odd having an UPGRADE with LESS resources. IMO logos should find a way to include new resources for all packages to make up for the lost ones or they should lower the price a little bit. Sorry new guys but then again no one said life is fair.
By the way about logos adding new resources. They should add new resources to make up for the ones that will no longer be available and have the old guys pay a small upgrade fee to be able to get the new content that way they still get to keep the old content and add new resources in the process. Thumbs up if u agree with me [<:o)][Y]
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Rosie Perera said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
The first one is the Daily Office, the other is the Sunday Lectionary.
Thanks Rosie for clearing that up. I'm just glad they're free! [:D]
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Joshua Garcia said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.
You are right Joshua...that's not just "some Baker content" that's some excellent Baker content. D.A. Carson highly recommends the BECNT; especially the Luke volumes. He said those 2 volumes are # 1 on the list of commentaries on the gospel of Luke. I'm glad we get to keep them just like some kept Barclay's Daily Bible Studies (old version) when the publisher asked Logos to remove them also. Anyway, as the old saying goes, "Early bird catches the best Logos 4 deals!" hehehe
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Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.
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Matthew Hamrick said:
Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.
I wonder whether, by removing some of the content from Platinum and leaving Portfolio more or less intact, they might be preparing for the introduction of a new package that would come between Platinum and Portfolio, something that users have been asking for. It would presumably include the content that was removed from Platinum plus some more stuff. Just speculation, but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
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Rosie Perera said:
but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
Sounds like it's Baker's decision, and Logos is just responding to their request.
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