Word count in Bible Word Study

Rick,

let me describe the steps that led me to the result described above:

1. Open NA27
   (Aland, Barbara ; Aland, Kurt ; Black, Matthew ; Martini, Carlo M. ; Metzger, Bruce M. ; Wikgren, Allen: The Greek New Testament. 4th ed. Federal Republic of Germany : United Bible Societies, 1993)
2. Move to Mt 28:20
3. Right click on the third word (τηρεῖν)
4. In the right column of the context menu select Lemma τηρέω
5. In the left column select Bible Word Study
6. Be astonished

Hope that helps with reproducing.

I did this and didn't reproduce the error, but see another issue in the "Examples" part.

The example of τηρεω as a Subject is wrong in English as are the examples of it as an object - at least with the ESV that comes up in my BWS. These examples are misleading to anyone without Greek knowledge.

In John 14:21 the participle is used substantively as a relative clause which is part of the subject (it is a compound subject). In the ESV English it is a verb.

Those examples identified as "Objects" are all simple infinitives in the ESV English with a different word as the object. In the Greek they are used quite typically as infinitives -- but, I would argue, not really as "objects" but more as the English infinitive or as verbal complements (to use BDF's term). Acts 15:5 is clearly a verbal complement, I believe, being set up with the verb "saying" (λεγω) and ὁτι.

In any event, just because a word is used as a participle in the nominative, doesn't make it the subject - could be many functions including verbal complement. Just because something is in the accusative doesn't make it an object - again many uses.

I realize this feature is trying to help people understand the original language behind the translation, but we can't be mechanical or use examples that are confusing. I'd rather leave the feature out than have people think the translation is wrong. Or have them baffled and think Logos is wrong and not trust it elsewhere. Since scholars differ on morphology, let alone translation, this may be a dangerous tool -- a little Greek -- mechanistically done is dangerous.

Screenshot:

Chris

 

 

Another possibility -- do you have the Lexham English Bible prioritized? The LEB is a work in progress, it only has reverse-interlinearized text for Romans-Revelation at present. The missing portions from your run of Gram Rel on τηρεω occur in those missing portions (3x in Acts, 1x in John). And the English portions in your screen shot match the text of the LEB. So this could be it.

Rick,

Your intuition is partly correct. I can reproduce this without prioritizing the LEB, but the LEB must be the starting point for the Bible Word Study.

 

Problem still persists with RC1. Any news on that topic?

Markus

I'm not sure I understand the issue correctly, I opened BWS to that word in RC1 and the hits seem to be correct for me. Can you post another screenshot?

I'm not sure I understand the issue correctly, I opened BWS to that word in RC1 and the hits seem to be correct for me. Can you post another screenshot?

 

George,

screen looks exactly like the screenshot above.

The problem is that BWS lists for example 3 hits for subject αυτος, but there is no single one and 3 hits for subject συ, but there are only two.

That is very odd, in my screen it shows 3 hits, I click to expand, and it shows 3 results.. I will report to see if anyone has any ideas.

I'm not sure I understand the issue correctly, I opened BWS to that word in RC1 and the hits seem to be correct for me. Can you post another screenshot?

 

George,

screen looks exactly like the screenshot above.

The problem is that BWS lists for example 3 hits for subject αυτος, but there is no single one and 3 hits for subject συ, but there are only two.

Does this happen in the latest version? (4.0.3.2197 I believe)