Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear?
I was looking at the comparison chart of all of the packages and I saw that the silver level should have something called "Apostolic Fathers Reverse interlinear" and I can't find it in my library nor can I find it on the web site at all...
Can anyone shed light on this?
Also i just noticed this is missing:
Robert Pavich
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Robert when you search your library for "title:apostolic fathers" what do you get?
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Damian,
this is what I get:
Robert Pavich
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Bob mentioned somewhere this morning there will be some more resources to come belonging to the packages.
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Ebbe,
thanks...I didn't know that.
Robert Pavich
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Robert,
Both Lightfoot's in Gk and "The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts " are interlinears.
Have you opened them?
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And "The Apostolic Fathers: English Translations" by Holmes is the resource referred to in the second excerpt - a 1999 translation (not 1891) with a short intro to each document
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Robert Pavich said:
I was looking at the comparison chart of
all of the packages and I saw that the silver level should have
something called "Apostolic Fathers Reverse interlinear" and I can't
find it in my library nor can I find it on the web site at
all...Hi Robert.
The Lake edition of the Apostolic Fathers is the one that is reverse interlinearlized. If you open the English text of Lake, you should see the normal options for a reverse interlinear. Try typing "Lake" in the command bar and see if that gets it to you.
Rick Brannan
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My bad Robert. I was looking with blurry eyes at multiple lines and thought "reverse interlinear".
Rick, I have Lake but it's not an interlinear.
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Never mind Rick. I found it.
Robert's definitely missing it.
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Damian McGrath said:
My bad Robert. I was looking with blurry eyes at multiple lines and thought "reverse interlinear".
Rick, I have Lake but it's not an interlinear.
OK, I think there were some issues with the Lake resources and the recent updates. What versions of those do you have? (check the resource info).
Somehow a copy from 2008 slipped in, when one gets the latest files
things seem to be OK.This issue has been reported (over the weekend when I noticed it). I'm hoping that resource updates of Lake's English & Greek will do it and that we'll be able to do that soon (Bradley?).
Question: If you right-click a word in Lake's English, do you get Greek info as well in the right-click dialog? Or just the standard stuff?
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Rick Brannan said:Robert Pavich said:
I was looking at the comparison chart of
all of the packages and I saw that the silver level should have
something called "Apostolic Fathers Reverse interlinear" and I can't
find it in my library nor can I find it on the web site at
all...Hi Robert.
The Lake edition of the Apostolic Fathers is the one that is reverse interlinearlized. If you open the English text of Lake, you should see the normal options for a reverse interlinear. Try typing "Lake" in the command bar and see if that gets it to you.
No RevInt for me either. I have Gold LE, and I don't have Lake AF. I picked up Lightfoot with the upgrade, and I already had Holmes.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Rick,
The only problem is that I'm an idiot and it's almost midnight in Australia.
I never use interlinears and I was looking at the Greek text and couldn't see a button to bring up the English. Doh!
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Well, hopefully as Ebbe noted...there is an update coming that fixes these issues.... [:D]
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
Well, hopefully as Ebbe noted...there is an update coming that fixes these issues....
You mean I'll no longer be an idiot and it will somehow be early in the evening rather than late at night?
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Damian...
talk about lobbing up a softball [:^)]
Robert Pavich
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Damian McGrath said:
Rick,
The only problem is that I'm an idiot and it's almost midnight in Australia.
I never use interlinears and I was looking at the Greek text and couldn't see a button to bring up the English. Doh!
It's early here and the only thing saving me is coffee. I was hoping I was the only one with the issue.
Robert, if you don't have Lake's Apostolic Fathers in your collection (sounds like you don't) that is likely the problem. I'll poke around to see what I can find.
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Rick,
thanks....
PS: Is it Starbuck's Via instant?
Robert Pavich
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Same here with Gold LE, no Lake.
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Robert Pavich said:
PS: Is it Starbuck's Via instant?
What is this "instant" of which you speak? Oh, you mean that gritty stuff Starbucks made to expand its market to folks who drink Folgers and Sanka? [:D]
I usually get the 2lb "House Blend" bag-o-beans from Costco. Decent coffee at 2lbs for 10 bucks. Standard drip machine. I'd prefer an endless supply of Starbucks Shade Grown Mexico if I had my druthers, though.
[sips more]
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Rick Brannan said:
I usually get the 2lb "House Blend" bag-o-beans from Costco. Decent coffee at 2lbs for 10 bucks.
Rick, we are a lot alike...
Robert Pavich
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Did this ever get straighten out? It appears as though the interlinear is tied up with Lake's volumes, but Lake's volumes aren't included in Gold or Silver license, only in Platinum or Portfolio. It seems like either the interlinear shouldn't be included with gold or silver, or Lake should be included with gold or silver.
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Craig,
the comparison chart pdf shows it to be a Silver, Gold, and Platinum resource.
Robert Pavich
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I'm seeing on both the PDF and web charts that the Apostolic interlinear data set and Lightfoot's Apostolic Father volume are both included in the silver, gold, and platinum. But Lake's volume, which makes use of the interlinear data set, is only included in the platinum package and not the gold or silver package. In other words we with the silver or gold package have the interlinear data set but not the resource which makes use of that data set. It's like having a hard drive full of mp3's without the proper software to run the mp3's. That's why I said that the data set should either not be included in the gold and silver packages, or the gold and silver packages should include Lake's volumes. Hope that helps clarify.
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CraigDowney said:
I'm seeing on both the PDF and web charts that the Apostolic interlinear data set and Lightfoot's Apostolic Father volume are both included in the silver, gold, and platinum. But Lake's volume, which makes use of the interlinear data set, is only included in the platinum package and not the gold or silver package. In other words we with the silver or gold package have the interlinear data set but not the resource which makes use of that data set. It's like having a hard drive full of mp3's without the proper software to run the mp3's. That's why I said that the data set should either not be included in the gold and silver packages, or the gold and silver packages should include Lake's volumes. Hope that helps clarify.
Yes, we're aware and are working on things. As I'm sure you can imagine, it's a busy day today.
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Rick Brannan said:
OK, I think there were some issues with the Lake resources and the recent updates. What versions of those do you have? (check the resource info).
Somehow a copy from 2008 slipped in, when one gets the latest files
things seem to be OK.Rick I just tried Lake's and when I click on the interlinear all I get is a blank screen at bottom. It does have the information stuff to the left but no greek at all.
Rick Brannan said:Question: If you right-click a word in Lake's English, do you get Greek info as well in the right-click dialog? Or just the standard stuff?
Right click brings up both english and greek words
I have Lake, Lighfoot and Holmes versions both greek and english versions
Jason
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Jason said:Rick Brannan said:
OK, I think there were some issues with the Lake resources and the recent updates. What versions of those do you have? (check the resource info).
Somehow a copy from 2008 slipped in, when one gets the latest files
things seem to be OK.Rick I just tried Lake's and when I click on the interlinear all I get is a blank screen at bottom. It does have the information stuff to the left but no greek at all.
Rick Brannan said:Question: If you right-click a word in Lake's English, do you get Greek info as well in the right-click dialog? Or just the standard stuff?
Right click brings up both english and greek words
Jason
This tells me you have the same problem I had over the weekend. I believe some older editions of the Lake Apostolic Fathers files made their way onto the file server. Once you update them, this problem should go away. I don't believe the files are there yet, however. When I hear they are, I will update this thread.
Thanks for your patience with us!
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Rick,
I imagine you guys are busy. Bob said you guys have been running at around 150% and are hoping to scale back to 100% soon, but I imagine today it is more like 250% for you all! [:|] Hope you're able to survive the craziness. Thanks again for all your wonderful work!
Robert,
did my explanation help clarify the confusion for you? Having databases listed without the resources they are associated with is a little confusing. I got tripped up this morning with the Lexham LXX: MT parallel. I was looking for a separate resource in my library until Rick helpfully pointed me towards the Logos LXX where the database is used.
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Craig..
Actually no...lol...
do I get that resource or not?
Robert Pavich
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Robert,
Interlinears are working differently than they did in Logos 3. In logos 3 you'll see the ESV and the ESV reverse interlinear both in your library. You could open up either book based on whether you wanted the reverse interlinear or not. If you opened the regular ESV and then decided that you wanted the Interlinear ESV you had to go to your library and open up a seperate resource. Now with Logos 4, instead of having two sepeate books (i.e. an ESV w/o the interlinear, and an ESV with the interlinear) you just have one ESV and the option to turn the interlinear database on or off. This saves a lot of room in the library and allows you to switch between what used to be seperate resources now with just a single click.
The question that Rick and the guys are trying to figure out is not whether we will get the interlinear resource or not (we have that), but rather will we get Lake's Apostolic Fathers or not? Having the interlinear database as we do now wont do us any good because we need Lake's Apostolic Father to use the resource. Hope that helps, its rather complicated, but it makes a lot more senes than the old way.
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I admit that as an Original Languages Library user who also got the Apostolic Fathers prepub, I am a bit bummed that it looks like my Rev. Int for the Lake (and 1000 images) will expire when my beta licenses expire. Yes, I could upgrade, but...
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CraigDowney said:
The question that Rick and the guys are trying to figure out is not whether we will get the interlinear resource or not (we have that), but rather will we get Lake's Apostolic Fathers or not? Having the interlinear database as we do now wont do us any good because we need Lake's Apostolic Father to use the resource. Hope that helps, its rather complicated, but it makes a lot more senes than the old way.
Thanks for your patience as I dug around on this one.
As Craig notes, the issue is a conflict in the collection contents. Amidst the flurry of Monday, I was able to talk to the necessary folks and confirm the situation.
The comparison chart has an error here. The Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear should be only in Platinum and Portfolio, along with Lake's edition of the Apostolic Fathers.
However, if you upgraded to Gold or Silver expecting to get the Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear functionality, you're not in the cold. We'll unlock those for you. Robert, Craig and Todd, I've notified our customer service department that you three specifically should have the necessary version of Lake's Apostolic Fathers unlocked. I can't say when it'll happen (they're swamped, as I'm sure you can imagine). You might want to give them a day or so and zap an email their way about it (unless you magically get the resources downloaded at some point), making sure to point them to this thread. I've also alerted them to the general situation so they can be aware of it if it comes up for others.
The comparison chart should be corrected, hopefully sometime today, to reflect this information, and our Marketing department should be making any other necessary corrections to related material.
Thanks again for bearing with us while we figured this one out. You guys are awesome.
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Bummer. I was hoping Logos would get this resolved and we Gold users would be rejoicing. :-) Mistakes happen. God bless!
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JosephMKreifels said:
Bummer. I was hoping Logos would get this resolved and we Gold users would be rejoicing. :-) Mistakes happen. God bless!
Thanks for the grace, Joseph. If you upgraded to Gold thinking you'd get the functionality of the reverse interlinear with the Apostolic Fathers and didn't, then do contact our customer service department. They're slammed (understandably) but will do their best to help you with this one in a timely manner.
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Rick, thank you for solving that problem in such a way. You are just awesome people. I have the reversed interlinear in my Platinum but when I open it, the sector for Interlinear is just empty. See the picture:
Bohuslav
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Rick,
This is more than gracious on Logos' part. My many thanks to you for taking the time to look into this amidst what must be a very hectic couple of days. Hope you are managing the chaos!
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Rick Brannan said:
Robert, Craig and Todd, I've notified our customer service department that you three specifically should have the necessary version of Lake's Apostolic Fathers unlocked.
Rick,
Continually over the course of this beta program and now I'm in awe of the graciousness of the Logos staff.
thank you thank you thank you.
bob
PS: you know...now that I think about it...I think I saw HALOT mentioned too [6]
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Rick, thank you for solving that problem in such a way. You are just awesome people. I have the reversed interlinear in my Platinum but when I open it, the sector for Interlinear is just empty. See the picture:
Hi Bohuslav.
This is an issue I'm still waiting to hear on. Basically, I think somehow old versions of Lake's Apostolic Fathers for English and Lake's Apostolic Fathers for Greek slipped in the mix. I don't believe those newer versions are available for download yet. I know when I was able to get the newer versions the problem was solved -- but I can't distribute those versions.
I'll ask again about this; thanks for the reminder.
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Rick Brannan said:
This is an issue I'm still waiting to hear on. Basically, I think somehow old versions of Lake's Apostolic Fathers for English and Lake's Apostolic Fathers for Greek slipped in the mix. I don't believe those newer versions are available for download yet. I know when I was able to get the newer versions the problem was solved -- but I can't distribute those versions.
I'll ask again about this; thanks for the reminder.
I'm the guy Rick's been asking about this and I haven't been able to look into it until now. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English); if this turns out to be the actual problem, we can re-publish the correct version this afternoon and correct the problem.
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Bradley Grainger said:
. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English)
10 days on the help desk for you!
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Philip Spitzer said:Bradley Grainger said:
. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English)
10 days on the help desk for you!
It's fixed now! (With a 4MB update of the two Lake resources). Can my sentence be commuted to just five days?
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Philip Spitzer said:Bradley Grainger said:
. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English)
10 days on the help desk for you!
Well, if he would've done that he wouldn't have been able to publish the new versions of Lake's English and Lake's Greek. And then you wouldn't be able to "update now" to pull them down. Bradley says it should be about a 4MB download.
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Bradley Grainger said:Rick Brannan said:
This is an issue I'm still waiting to hear on. Basically, I think somehow old versions of Lake's Apostolic Fathers for English and Lake's Apostolic Fathers for Greek slipped in the mix. I don't believe those newer versions are available for download yet. I know when I was able to get the newer versions the problem was solved -- but I can't distribute those versions.
I'll ask again about this; thanks for the reminder.
I'm the guy Rick's been asking about this and I haven't been able to look into it until now. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English); if this turns out to be the actual problem, we can re-publish the correct version this afternoon and correct the problem.
Thanks... Now my other question: I have Platinum now, but I don't have Lake's AF Greek. Just the English. Should I have the Lake Greek too? I can't tell from the list of resources which is which:
I own Holmes in Greek and English from an earlier purchase.
I got Lightfoot in Greek and English from the Gold LE upgrade.
So it looks to me like I should get some AF Greek text for getting platinum, but I can't tell which one. Lake, right?EDIT: Nevermind...picked it up with the latest update. Thanks!
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Philip Spitzer said:Bradley Grainger said:
. It looks like I published an incorrect build of Lake's (English)
10 days on the help desk for you!
Bradley.... I am voting for the 7 night 8 day cruise in the Bahamas and Mexico myself.... sounds like an issue of over working to me [H]
I have said I am loving my LBS4 lately? And Thank You Logos!!!
Jim
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Bradley Grainger said:
Can my sentence be commuted to just five days?
Considering all you've done for us in the past and your hard work, and long nights...how about we consider it time served?
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