Reading plans temporarily disabled
Reading plans will be temporarily disabled for the next few days while we transition services to the new sync framework. This was not part of our transition plan but became necessary due to some timing issues. I'm sorry if you've been using this feature and it's now unavailable. We're working to bring it back quickly and be compatible with Logos 4.5a.
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Thanks Dave and team for this update.
I look forward to the sync of reading plans when they are unveiled.
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AMEN!!!
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Thank you for the information. Have spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out why my iPad wasn't listing a new reading plan. Thanks so much for this great feature and amazing product. Look forward to the unveil as well.
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Only wish I had seen this before I posted my question. Thanks for the notice. Is there a target time frame?
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Michael Watkins said:
Is there a target time frame?
Dave said it would be down for a few days. Additionally, an update to the mobile app will be required. Currently, the update is in private beta (RC2 status). I do not know when the update will be pushed out to everyone. Hopefully that is included in Dave's "few days," but I have no inside knowledge.
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So, just to make sure I am having the same problem as everyone else; does the reading plan even show up on your phone right now? I was wondering if I (or my two year old) had deleted the reading schedule or if it is temporarily disabled as mentioned? This has been so helpful for me staying in the word everyday. If it was deleted, how do I get it back?
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Dusti,
Reading plans have been disabled, meaning they do not display on the device at all. It hasn't been deleted, it'll return as soon as they re-enable reading plans on mobile devices.
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Dusti landreth said:
So, just to make sure I am having the same problem as everyone else; does the reading plan even show up on your phone right now? I was wondering if I (or my two year old) had deleted the reading schedule or if it is temporarily disabled as mentioned? This has been so helpful for me staying in the word everyday. If it was deleted, how do I get it back?
Dusti,
My reading plans still show up on my PC, if they show up there for you, read them from there.
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Dusti landreth said:
I was wondering if I (or my two year old) had deleted the reading schedule
I can relate. [:)]
Dusti landreth said:If it was deleted, how do I get it back?
Do you have Logos for Mac or PC? Your reading plan should be there.
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LaRosa Johnson said:
Reading plans have been disabled, meaning they do not display on the device at all. It hasn't been deleted, it'll return as soon as they re-enable reading plans on mobile devices.
Absolutely correct.
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Thank you for letting us know. I could not figure out why it was working and now was not.
I use this feature every day.
David Koenigsberg
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Thanks. Appreciate the status. Unfortunately I forgot to look here first before sending tech support an email. Also, is this something that can be posted on Facebook, unless it was and I missed it.
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Aha! I was wondering why they'd disappeared on my IOS devices but were still on my PC. I'm taking it as a positive sign that they'll soon be fully functional across platforms.
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Thanks for the info. I wondered what had happened and thought maybe having a leap day had messed things up. Glad to know it's just a coming upgrade.
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An email notification would have been nice. I wasted an hour reinstalling my iPad software and reinstalling the program.
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Michael - Welcome to the forums! Sorry you went to that trouble. An email would have been nice, I agree.
If you have problems in the future, you should check with the forums first. Often you will find what you are looking for right away. If not, feel free to post a question! [:)]
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What would be nice if a message would be broadcast to mobile users on their device (perhaps even an automated email message) if for some reason a certain function is being disabled by Logos to implement a fix. This would minimize a bit of head scratching from the user end of having to search for ways of fixing what we didn't break.
An ounce of worthy communication is worth a pound of "user cure".
Thanks for a great product though. Awesome study software [:)]
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marquis jackson said:
What would be nice if a message would be broadcast to mobile users on their device
Welcome [:D]
Concur; dreaming of Logos Home Page News information and updates.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Concur; dreaming of Logos Home Page News information and updates.
Agreed.
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Logo posts advertisements to our devices all the time. Why not post helpful notices such as when services are not available? [^o)]
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Amen
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I am glad I was a week ahead on my reading, but it has now been a week. Are we close to re-enabling this feature? Or is a few days going to turn in to weeks?Dave Dunkin said:disabled for the next few days
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Any updates on this? I am pretty new here so if updates are already posted somewhere else, can someone point me in the right direction? I believe we have been without these for around a week. I'm able to get to my plan on my desktop, but would like to be able to go straight to my iPad to do reading when I wake up each morning. Thanks!
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Nothing has been posted yet about the update. I hope it comes soon. I also do all my reading plans on the IPad. When I updated my computer to 4.5a and the Logos app was still at 2.0.2 reading plans stopped syncing to my computer. When they disabled the app all my reading plans were up to date on it. I hope they get this on Itunes soon, cause I got a whole lot of catching up to do.
The only reading plan that is up to date, are the ones that would not transfer to the IPad, my Bible reading plans. So the good news is they are up to date.
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Is there an ETA for the updated app to re-enable the reading plans?
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This is either the most difficult project the Logos team has faced, or it's of secondary priority, or there is a need to upgrade the techs who are working on it.
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Gary Wiens said:
This is either the most difficult project the Logos team has faced, or it's of secondary priority, or there is a need to upgrade the techs who are working on it.
Comments like these are unhelpful to anyone, especially since the likelihood you have any idea of the complexity involved in deploying a large scale service.
It's one thing to express your anticipation or eagerness for the new service, but another thing entirely to throw people under the bus whom you've never met, have no idea what problems they are facing, and no appreciation of their desire to deliver a functional service.
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Mark Carey said:Gary Wiens said:
This is either the most difficult project the Logos team has faced, or it's of secondary priority, or there is a need to upgrade the techs who are working on it.
Comments like these are unhelpful to anyone, especially since the likelihood you have any idea of the complexity involved in deploying a large scale service.
It's one thing to express your anticipation or eagerness for the new service, but another thing entirely to throw people under the bus whom you've never met, have no idea what problems they are facing, and no appreciation of their desire to deliver a functional service.
And Gary - you have a complete disregard for those who do not have the 'recognise irony' gene. Shame on you!
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Mike
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One thing can be said for sure. the fact that the reading plans are still disabled stretches the meaning of the original posts phrase "for the next few days." Logos has created an expectation that needs to be better managed. Updates regarding this issue would be appropriate.
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My apologies for venting my frustration in an unhelpful and arrogant way.
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Garrett Mercury said:
One thing can be said for sure. the fact that the reading plans are still disabled stretches the meaning of the original posts phrase "for the next few days." Logos has created an expectation that needs to be better managed. Updates regarding this issue would be appropriate.
Garrett -
Have to say I'm in agreement. I don't actually use the desktop software (yet, anwyay). I just found out about the Ipad app around 3 weeks ago. It seemed like it fit my needs better than any other app. I could save my notes and have my reading plan at my disposal. Would work out perfectly for the upcoming business trip I had. I had the ESV study Bible in hard copy, but this would keep me from having to lug it around on my trip.
Wouldn't you know, the day before the trip the reading plans stopped working. While I know that the syncing of reading plans may be a frivolous thing to complain about for some, but for me, it was about 50% of the reason I plunked down the $50 bucks to re-purchase an electronic version of the study Bible I'd been using. I'm continuing to use it, and appreciate the fact that the app itself is free.
I have to say that if this were any other service, I've got a feeling we'd all be in an uproar. For example, I know with most cell phone plans we get voice mail and text messaging for free. Imagine our cell phone company disabling for a few days before telling us they were giving us an upgrade. And once they did announce the upgrade, they told us we'd get our voice mail and text messaging back in a few days. Meanwhile, 2 weeks pass with no more updates.
To reiterate, the voice mail and text messaging are FREE, but a decent portion of the reason we purchased the cell plan to begin with was due to having text messaging and voice mail.
I can appreciate the complexity of the system Logos is trying to implement. I can appreciate that the user volume has likely gone up significantly and scalability has to be built into the syncing process. What I can't understand is why I wake up every morning looking for an update to when this issue will be resolved and all I see is that the reading plans will be disabled for the next few days.
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In these areas a service company must avoid two common problems that Logos sometimes fall into. 1. Setting dates that continue to slip to a ridiculous point. 2. Not communicating about dates at all.
I have been waiting for fixes for large highlights since the release of Sync 2. While the fix is apparently done, it awaits the inclusion of the reading plans implementation. A few days - no big deal. However, weeks of expectation becomes frustration. Other than an unofficial word from Alabama (thanks for this by the way), nothing. Not sure how a couple of days can turn into weeks - definitely need to provide updates when this occurs (actually as an ex software I guy I can - but even more the reason to communicate once an expectation has been set).
The other problem that arises is when no dates of any kind are given and/or no vision/plan is cast. Likely this comes as a result of giving dates that continually shift (as this one), and users go balistic. It becomes easier to give no dates than face the heat for a missed date. I am amazed at sometimes how unChiristian the comments can become.
Is there an answer? I believe that great customer service is when a company sets realistic expectations - casting vision and implementation plans - and then delivers. Do things happen? Of course. And these are opportunities to communicate and make users feel that a company understands and is taking appropriate actions to make things right. Perhaps an on going regular set of posts/blogs that provide development/maintenance updates would help. I know that there are some limitations in not wanting to give competitors too much info, but providing something would help. Frustrations arise when a vacum exists. Wild speculation runs rampant in these situations. Dissatisfaction grows exponentially. Establishing a reputation of delivering as promised and providing continual communication in all cases is critical.
The other side of this responsibility is that Logos users must respond appropriately (unfortunately this may never happen based on years of browsing the forums).
Logos is a great company with a great product. But it has areas that could be improved, especially as it expands its reach into the future.
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I love the Logos product, and am impressed with the way Logos tries to deal openly and honestly with its customers (30-day refunds, great sales, relaxed licensing policies, not charging for ongoing syncing/data storage and so on). The difficulty is that situations such as this with the reading plans become those that shape users' views of the company. I am becoming disappointed at the response on this one, and the "few days" notification that appeared on our devices (after the removal of plans) has now turned into over a week with no further official communication.
If someone tells me that my reading plan isn't going to be available for a month, I am happy to put it into a spreadsheet on my iPad and carry on that way until it's fixed, but I have been checking the App Store a couple of times a day now for over a week to see if there is an updated app. Like Danny, I used to manage software projects before becoming a pastor, and still have the scars from the occasions when I didn't communicate well with the user community when unexpected delays occurred. I suspect it is the lack of communication on this issue that is causing frustration, probably because the people concerned have got their heads down full-time to sort out whatever issues have arisen in the implementation, but it would be helpful if whoever is managing them would make sure to put an aupdate setting reasonable expectations onto our home screens so that we can stop wasting time checking these forums and the app store looking for some idea as to what is happening.
We all know that Logos in general, and Bob in particular, really care about these things, but some regular official updates would help those of us who are positive about Logos, and would probably help with the perception of those who are not so positive.
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One thing for all of us to remember is that the reading plan sync is one piece of a much larger product that for the most part work really well; not to mention the fact that Logos provides it FREE. While the reading plans not working frustrates me too.I am still thankful for a wonderful product that allows me to do a lot of study while on the go. If you are like me, it is easy to fixate on the negative instead of the positive. The positive is that we have a great mobile app that will be even better once the "reading plan" issue is resolved.
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There is some inherent delay built into Logos updates for iOS as they await approval from the appstore. I'm guessing this process is even more delayed now that everybody is submitting the OS 5.1 updated software.
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Just a reminder that the issue is not really the additional delay (delays are part of life). The issue is how to establish and manage customer expectations (at least for me).
Note: The update has not yet been released for Apple review (at least not as of last week). So we can't just assume it is an Apple update problem.
Users (customers) should neither beat up people in an unChristian manner nor should we merely ignore mistakes in customer service. In order to reach its full potential Logos needs to be aware when it impacts customer's perceptions. Pointing this out is not (or at least should not) be an unkind action, but merely customer feedback about perception of service. I believe that Logos desires this feedback - better to receive feedback than lose customers.
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Free? Have you looked at the price of Logos? With prices starting at $150.00 and capping out at $1700.00 I don't think you can call any feature free.
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As with every other human endeavor, lack of communication allows us to fill in with the worst.
Logos - all you need to do is inform us what is going on!!
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Richard Dillon said:
Logos - all you need to do is inform us what is going on!!
It was confirmed to me today that Logos is trying to get the app (2.1) through the approval process with Apple.
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Harold W. Maynard said:
Free? Have you looked at the price of Logos? With prices starting at $150.00 and capping out at $1700.00 I don't think you can call any feature free.
Logos mobile apps includes free access to 46 Bibles, a Greek Apparatus, and Summarized Bible.
Logos.com prices for resources range from $ 0.00 (Free) => http://www.logos.com/products/search?start=0&sort=pricelo&pageSize=30 (that includes 1,743 Perseus resources)
to $ 4,290 for Portfolio Edition => http://www.logos.com/products/search?start=&sort=pricehi&pageSize=30 with NICOT/NICNT being $ 40 per volume (set is $ 1,599.95) => The New International Commentary on the Old and New Testament (NICOT/NICNT) (40 vols.) while Theology of the Old Testament collection is $ 90.90 per volume (set is $ 999.95) => Theology of the Old Testament Collection (11 vols.) For a single resource set, the Anchor Yale Bible is $ 1,899.95 => Anchor Yale Bible (AYB) (83 vols.)
Thankful for various Vyrso promotions that have included 74 free eBooks, which are usable in Vyrso and Logos apps plus Logos 4. Vyrso has 4,178 products => http://vyrso.com/products/search?q=&start=&sort=pricehi&pageSize=15 most expensive is $ 30.24 => http://vyrso.com/product/14609/the-most-important-thing-youll-ever-study-a-survey-of-the-bible that has a 55 % discount.
By the way. blog has bargain hunting tips => http://blog.logos.com/2011/07/how-to-find-a-bargain-on-logos-com/
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thanks Alabama for the update.
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Ditto on the thanks for an update Alabama.
Still the issue is bigger than the specific. I really hope that Logos takes a hard look at communication. The info that filters out from Alabama is a case in point - it brings reassurance and difuses concerns. Why not establish a permanent mechanism (person) to proactively communicate before frustrations set in? This type of proactive communication has become a rarity in today's world (Apple, Microsoft, etc.). What a great opportunity to create a radical departure from the status quo! Already Logos engages in some of this (in general they really are not bad at all) - why not take it to a new level?
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Thanks for the pricing update. My point is I paid over $700.00 for the edition I have which includes a lot of good information that I will never use. One of the features I used was the reading plan. To say it is free is not really true as I paid $700.00 in order to be able to use the reading plan which was until it was taken down a helpful tool.
I also get Solicited every day to buy more material at an additional cost. Is a good buy that's up to the buyer but to say it is free is just not true
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Just a note on the reading plans. If you have the reading plan on your desk top and use outlook as you mail tool. You can export your reading plan to outlook which will then update to your outlook calender which will then sync to your ipad and/or iPhone. It's not hyper linked but it allows you to track the reading required to keep on pace.
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Danny Parker said:
Note: The update has not yet been released for Apple review (at least not as of last week). So we can't just assume it is an Apple update problem.
The good news is that reading plans are working well in private beta...the bad news is that there has been a delay on Apple's part in the approval of the submitted app.
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According to Alabama I was not correct about the whether the fix was released[:$]. Not the first time I have been wrong. lol
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Harold W. Maynard said:
Thanks for the pricing update. My point is I paid over $700.00 for the edition I have which includes a lot of good information that I will never use. One of the features I used was the reading plan. To say it is free is not really true as I paid $700.00 in order to be able to use the reading plan which was until it was taken down a helpful tool.
I also get Solicited every day to buy more material at an additional cost. Is a good buy that's up to the buyer but to say it is free is just not true
In 2009, Logos changed software and resource licensing to only charge for resource licenses. All Logos software releases on all platforms became free. Caveat: to use certain features, appropriate resource(s) are needed (e.g. Reverse Interlinear Bibles in Logos 4). Logos does charge for resource licenses (or to remove on-Air watermark in Proclaim). Looking at Logos 4 comparison chart => http://www.logos.com/comparison reading plan feature is available for all base packages. Looking at iPad features => http://www.logos.com/mobile/ipad noticed reading plan is included. Caveat: to use a reading plan for a resource, need to have a resource license. Depends on resource for price to be paid, which ranges from $ 0.00 (Free) to lots of money for base packages, library bundles, and additional purchases.
Note: when looking to build a digital library, Logos has potential for most money to be spent with over 12,000 resources available for purchase at Logos.com and Vyrso.com (a variety of resources are multi-volume sets).
By the way, my library has many resources that have not been opened (from base package, bundle, and community pricing purchases); honestly not know how many resources will be useful. Already Thankful for many resources plus Thankful for various Logos sales.
Likewise Thankful for many friendly forum discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Sorry for the delayed reading plans. We were pretty confident we'd be through the app store in the normal time frame, but we were denied during app store review over a minor issue. Now there appears to be a slow down in the review process, which we guess is because of all the apps getting re-submitted with iPad retina display graphics for the new iPad.
Unfortunately Apple's review process is opaque, and rejections are never anticipated. This could add a week to the process. (To the best of my knowledge we re-submitted the same day, but that can reset the clock by a week.)
-- Bob
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Bob, thanks for the update
Good to have an insight into what is happening - and to be aware of some of the challenges you are facing.
Really appreciated.
Graham
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