Revised English Bible
Does Logos have the Revised English Bible? I cannot find it when searching their website. I'm assuming that the RSV is a different version.
Thanks,
Ron
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RonaldQuick said:
Does Logos have the Revised English Bible?
No. Both the New English Bible and the Revised English Bible have been requested.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thanks for the information.
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And I'd second the request - once again - for them both.
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Me too! [Y]
I would also like the J.B. Phillips translation/paraphrase of the New Testament originally published in late 1940s by Geoffrey Bles with an Introduction by C.S. Lewis, no less.
It has some wonderfully evocative translations. E.g. 2 Corinthians 4:7ff This priceless treasure we hold, so to speak, in a common earthenware jar—to show that the splendid power of it belongs to God and not to us. We are handicapped on all sides, but we are never frustrated; we are puzzled, but never in despair. We are persecuted, be we never have to stand it alone: we may be knocked down but we are never knocked out!
That rendering just knocks me out! [:S]
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[Y][Y] again for both versions.
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I would be willing to "pay" for these two versions :-) Great paraphrasic translations
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I would also love to have this and the NEB in Logos. I use the REB as my primary reading Bible. It is a revision of the New English Bible. I find the English of these two the most pleasant reading/sounding of any since the KJV. The REB uses a more inclusive language and did away with some of the more questionable translations found in the NEB. And a warning for American readers, it is a British translation and some of the word choices in translation might mystify such.
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Douglas Horst said:
I would also love to have this and the NEB in Logos. I use the REB as my primary reading Bible. It is a revision of the New English Bible. I find the English of these two the most pleasant reading/sounding of any since the KJV. The REB uses a more inclusive language and did away with some of the more questionable translations found in the NEB. And a warning for American readers, it is a British translation and some of the word choices in translation might mystify such.
I'm a good ol' American boy, and I quite like REB.
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The reason the REB is not provided is bias, it is probably because the way John 1:1 is translated:"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was."
I have a total of 70 Translation that identify the word as; a god, a diety, similar to God or anything other than God himself,
Expect nothing more from this Bible software unless it agrees totally with the only doctrine acceptable.
I am frustrated with not being able to research research everything available and make my own mind!
Brother Ray
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Ray Gosselin said:
The reason the REB is not provided is bias, it is probably because the way John 1:1 is translated:
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Expect nothing more from this Bible software unless it agrees totally with the only doctrine acceptable.
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As one who is very much out of step with the primary group of Logos users, I am surprised at your statement. While I find the forum posters frequently assume everyone is evangelical (in a loose sense), I do not find that bias in Logos products. - especially Logos 4 in which Logos has put in a great deal of effort to be cross-denominational.
BTW I see you are new to the forums. Welcome.
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Ray Gosselin said:
The reason the REB is not provided is bias, it is probably because the way John 1:1 is translated:
"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was."
Well that's certainly a unique way to translate that verse, but I don't know if it has anything to do with why that version isn't available in Logos.
The most likely reason is that Logos (a U.S. based company) would need to secure publication rights to a Bible owned by a British publisher (Cambridge University Press in this case, at least on my copy). I don't see any resources published by Cambridge University Press in my L4 library (Library > (Find >) publisher:cambridge).
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Ray Gosselin said:
The reason the REB is not provided is bias,
That's a brave claim to make without providing evidence. A quick glance at the products page of Logos' website will demonstrate they don't censor resources based on theological criteria. The much more likely answer is lack of demand or copyright issues. I suspect in this case, it's both.
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Thank you MJ, Richard and Mark for your replies.
I have the Scolar's Library 3, maybe that's why.
Would I be more happy if I payd to upgrade to the version 4 (for unbias commentaries)?
Should I wait for version 5?
Thanks again,
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Ray,
Everyone who writes commentaries has a bias in their work. What kind of commentary are you thinking about? Sometimes the more liberal commentaries will venture into the more speculative avenues of thought. The problem is that they are the most costly to purchase.
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I am open minded and want to search, cross reference, and compare all the possibilities of doctrines and interpretations existing, and that includes bibles that are not only translated by trinitarians (bias), or commantaries that are not only trinitarians viewpoint (bias). I dont want to enter into theological discussions (that's my own quest right now), this is not the forum for it I know, do you get the meaning?
I know I dont always explain myself properly but I am French and doing my best [:S]
Merci [;)]
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Ray Gosselin said:
I am open minded and want to search, cross reference, and compare all the possibilities of doctrines and interpretations existing, and that includes bibles that are not only translated by trinitarians (bias), or commantaries that are not only trinitarians viewpoint (bias). I dont want to enter into theological discussions (that's my own quest right now), this is not the forum for it I know, do you get the meaning?
I know I dont always explain myself properly but I am French and doing my best
You have explained yourself quite well in English. What you will find with Logos resources is that they try to balance what sells best (American evangelical) and what meets the need of the broader market including academics. Their web site is not always the easy to navigate to the resources you want but the resources are there. And Logos is redesigning their website. You are correct, the forum is not the place for theology - but we can sometimes help with resources as well as using Logos 4 effectively.
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Ray Gosselin said:
I have the Scolar's Library 3, maybe that's why.
Would I be more happy if I payd to upgrade to the version 4 (for unbias commentaries)?
Should I wait for version 5?
The version isn't going to get you bias/unbiased commentaries since the version is only the engine, of which the books are only accessed through.
The bigger problem is that, as far as I know, there are no academic non-trinitarian commentaries. If you know of some, I would suggest going to the Suggestions sub-forum and request them.
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And back to the REB and NEB for a moment...we are working to bring these to Logos Bible Software. Hopefully soon.
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Michael Aubrey said:
The bigger problem is that, as far as I know, there are no academic non-trinitarian commentaries.
Fascinating - I would have assumed there were early Unitarian commentaries ... they did produce a fairly comprehensive catechism. Now I'm curious and will have to check.
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Bill Nienhuis said:
And back to the REB and NEB for a moment...we are working to bring these to Logos Bible Software. Hopefully soon.
Bill
That is marvellous news. [:D]
Every blessing
Alan
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MJ. Smith said:
Fascinating - I would have assumed there were early Unitarian commentaries ... they did produce a fairly comprehensive catechism. Now I'm curious and will have to check.
That might be possible. Had Joseph Thayer written commentaries he would have been representative.
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Thank you all for the information provided, it looks promissing (as a bible software), and I am pleased to find out this group is open minded!
I'll be waiting to see what MJ finds out!
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YEAH!!!!
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Yeah!!! Keep us informed. Eagerly awaiting.
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Bill Nienhuis said:
And back to the REB and NEB for a moment...we are working to bring these to Logos Bible Software. Hopefully soon.
Ha-zah! [Y]
Praise the Lord!!
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Alan Macgregor said:
I would also like the J.B. Phillips translation/paraphrase of the New Testament originally published in late 1940s by Geoffrey Bles with an Introduction by C.S. Lewis, no less.
[Y] I agree.
PS Anyone know how come the Edit Tags link shows up in my posts?
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Scot Jefferies said:
PS Anyone know how come the Edit Tags link shows up in my posts?
If I understand you correctly, you are referring to the option to add search tags to your post. They in turn create the tag cloud on the right hand side.
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Thanks MJ. I'm referring to the bottom of each of my posts. It shows a small blue hyperlink [Edit Tags] in blue. I don't see that on your posts. Is that because only I can edit links on my posts? Do you see that under your posts. I only put tags in if I think they'd help someonelse. Not sure how I'd search on other's tags either.
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Scot Jefferies said:
Do you see that under your posts.
Yes, and only on my notes. It's a quicker way to edit the tags on your posts than going more --> edit to bring up the main text.
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Thanks MJ. You cleared up one of my great mysteries of the forum questions. Thank you too for your service to all of us as an MVP! All your work blesses me and so many others.
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MJ. Smith said:Michael Aubrey said:
The bigger problem is that, as far as I know, there are no academic non-trinitarian commentaries.
Fascinating - I would have assumed there were early Unitarian commentaries ... they did produce a fairly comprehensive catechism. Now I'm curious and will have to check.
I would also expect that there would have been at least one produced out of the Oneness Pentecostal movement. I know several of their denominations run bible colleges... I wonder what they use in their curriculum.
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Very excited to hear this!! Hope it doesn't take too long. Will it have the apocrypha?
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Bill Nienhuis said:
And back to the REB and NEB for a moment...we are working to bring these to Logos Bible Software. Hopefully soon.
Given that there now seems to be a relationship with Cambridge University Press it would be great to see a lot more of their material, not just biblical but in the area of general linguistics some titles would be a valuable additiion to Logos. But REB is a good start. Also [Y] for NEB!
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Andrew McKenzie said:
it would be great to see a lot more of their material, not just biblical but in the area of general linguistics some titles would be a valuable additiion to Logos.
Don't count on it. Cambridge is pretty committed to Adobe Digital Editions.
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Michael Aubrey said:Andrew McKenzie said:
it would be great to see a lot more of their material, not just biblical but in the area of general linguistics some titles would be a valuable additiion to Logos.
Don't count on it. Cambridge is pretty committed to Adobe Digital Editions.
Very True.
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Good News!
I have pre-Ordered the "Revised English Bible", hope there is enough request for it.
That's the bible I am using most for my studies, along with the NIV and the Louis Second (I am French).
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I am using it more and more! I just wish people would hurry up and buy it, or Logos just "speed up" the process.
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Ray Gosselin said:
The reason the REB is not provided is bias, it is probably because the way John 1:1 is translated:
"In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was."
I have a total of 70 Translation that identify the word as; a god, a diety, similar to God or anything other than God himself,
Expect nothing more from this Bible software unless it agrees totally with the only doctrine acceptable.
I am frustrated with not being able to research research everything available and make my own mind!
Brother Ray
The REB translation of John 1:1 is perfectly acceptable, and is certainly not a reason that anyone at Logos or elsewhere would reject the REB.
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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The same goes for me!
[Y]
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http://www.logos.com/product/24537/the-revised-english-bible-with-the-apocrypha
NEB is under contract now.. but we are still short of getting the REB in production, which seems almost counter intuitive since the REB is more conservative, although perhaps not conservative enough a translation for some.
-Dan
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The NEB aka "The 'breaking wind' Bible"?
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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the"Revised English Bible" is the one that I am familiar with and waiting for, the "NEB" is unfamiliar to me.
The clarity in meaning is very good in the "REB" which I use for my study, beside the "Louis Second" (French) and the "NIV".
PS: by the way Eric, can you explain to me please what your quote means? (aka "The 'breaking wind' Bible"?)
Merci [:S]
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The New English Bible is a breath of fresh air!
A pioneering dynamic equivalent of the 1960's -70's British not bound by traditional translation. Does not use gender inclusive language and in some places the translation is controversial, great as a devotional or alternative translation.
Some people want to make a big stink about it, but it is I think a breath of fresh air [:)]
REB is the revised version of it. A dynamic equivalent version of the late 80's , more tradtional in translation, British. Modest use of gender inclusive language. Good devotional translation. Not controversial.
Both are good for different reasons.[:D]
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Ray said:
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"Revised English Bible" is the one that I am familiar with and waiting for, the "NEB" is unfamiliar to me.
The clarity in meaning is very good in the "REB" which I use for my study, beside the "Louis Second" (French) and the "NIV".
PS: by the way Eric, can you explain to me please what your quote means? (aka "The 'breaking wind' Bible"?)
Merci
http://ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/breaking-wind-from-your-ass/ (Note: "ass" here refers to a donkey)
But note per comment 6. at that blog post:
And the translation ”she broke wind” was eventually changed to
”she dismounted” when the NEB was revised and reissued as the Revised
English Bible (1989).Actually, the translation was changed in 1972 when a “Corrected
Impression” of the NEB was released. AFAIK, the “broke wind” rendering
only appeared in those copies sold with the First Edition of the OT
(1970-1972).For more indiscreet NEB/REB renderings, see here, here and here.
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Eric Weiss said:
http://ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/breaking-wind-from-your-ass/ (Note: "ass" here refers to a donkey)
But note per comment 6. at that blog post:
And the translation ”she broke wind” was eventually changed to
”she dismounted” when the NEB was revised and reissued as the Revised
English Bible (1989).Actually, the translation was changed in 1972 when a “Corrected
Impression” of the NEB was released. AFAIK, the “broke wind” rendering
only appeared in those copies sold with the First Edition of the OT
(1970-1972).For more indiscreet NEB/REB renderings, see here, here and here.
Thanks for the link to the blog article on this. It gave me a nice chuckle. I got out my old NEB (copyright 1970) and it's there (in Joshua 15:18).
(BTW, the links to newepistles.com don't seem to work.)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
I got out my old NEB (copyright 1970) and it's there (in Joshua 15:18).
Rather disappointingly I have the 1976 NEB which says "she made a noise".
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Mark Barnes said:Richard DeRuiter said:
I got out my old NEB (copyright 1970) and it's there (in Joshua 15:18).
Rather disappointingly I have the 1976 NEB which says "she made a noise".
Mark, just for you I'll type out the text of that verse: When she came to him, he incited her to ask her father for a piece of land. As she sat on the ass, she broke wind, and Caleb asked her, 'What did you mean by that?' (Josh.15:18, NEB)
[:$]
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