Font change
After updating yesterday, I was surprised to find that you changed the font. I much preferred the older font and wish that you had left an option to keep the other. It is harder for me to read now and I may choose a different electronic bible as my study bible. Why change a good thhing?
Ssc
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I'm sorry you do not like the decision to change the English font. What about it is more difficult to read?
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I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.
Tommy Ball said:What about it is more difficult to read?
That's pretty hard to quantify. One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.
Tommy Ball said:What about it is more difficult to read?
That's pretty hard to quantify. One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.
I was wondering if she (or you) could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc.
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Tommy Ball said:Todd Phillips said:
I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.
Tommy Ball said:What about it is more difficult to read?
That's pretty hard to quantify. One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.
I was wondering if she (or you) could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc.
Nothing like that. It's the shape of the letters. The characters in the new font are taller and narrower with more vertical lines. It can be a personal thing as some people in the iOS beta forums have expressed that they thought the new font was more readable, while others were saying that they would like the the old font back. Hopefully Susan will express her thoughts, too.
All I'm asking for is a choice. The desktop application kept the old font in L5 when the new one was added. Hopefully the iOS app can too.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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I think Todd has it when he says taller and narrower. I find my eye does not flow across it as easily as the old one. In typography parlance, the new font is very ledgible but not very readable (for hours at a time).
If it is possible, a choice would be ideal. I expect some people (not me) would like a sans serif font.0 -
Typographers, of course, always check their spelling. Legible is the word, but on my iPad I couldn't edit my previous post.0
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Jonathan Pitts said:
on my iPad I couldn't edit my previous post.
OFF TOPIC: Jonathan – you can edit posts, but it is a bit tricky. When you need to edit something, try the following:
- Dismiss the keyboard.
- Place the cursor as close to the edit point as possible
- Delete the text and retype
For some reason, the ability to edit is lost until you follow these steps. Anytime you need to move the cursor, this will be required.
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I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit.
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Jonathan Pitts said:
I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit.
It wasn't working for me the last time I tried on the iPad, either.
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Jonathan Pitts said:
I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit.
Ahh. I understand now. I was describing how to edit a post BEFORE it was submitted. [:)]
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Todd Phillips said:Tommy Ball said:Todd Phillips said:
I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.
Tommy Ball said:What about it is more difficult to read?
That's pretty hard to quantify. One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.
I was wondering if she (or you) could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc.
Nothing like that. It's the shape of the letters. The characters in the new font are taller and narrower with more vertical lines. It can be a personal thing as some people in the iOS beta forums have expressed that they thought the new font was more readable, while others were saying that they would like the the old font back. Hopefully Susan will express her thoughts, too.
All I'm asking for is a choice. The desktop application kept the old font in L5 when the new one was added. Hopefully the iOS app can too.
Hi Todd,
Obviously font choice is very subjective which is why there are so many thousands available (well, not in Logos on iOS!). I've expressed my fair share of complaints about the new font but I admittedly like very dense text formats like the Cambridge Pitt Minion style (my favorite Bible in NASB). The new font isn't like that compared to the old, but I've gotten used to it more. The new font looks amazing on Windows Logos but less so on Mac - always room for improvement.
I have talked repeatedly about font topics with the development department and at some point the previous font choice might be added. It's an odd position to be in - if the new font were the "old" font and we switched to the other, there would also be complaints. As always, your opinion is valued and thanks for letting us know.
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Tommy Ball said:
I'm sorry you do not like the decision to change the English font. What about it is more difficult to read?
The Logos5 font looks like every character is bold. The width of every stroke is the same. There is not a big enough difference between regular and italic. The space between lines is too great. Overall, it has a less professional look to it for all of the above reasons.
It is different from most fonts you would find in a book or magazine or newspaper—things you normally read that require some amount of time. It's the kind of font you would use for a sign, not for reading.
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all. I switched fonts immediately.
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Dan said:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.
I believe it's the same font.
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Todd Phillips said:Dan said:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.
I believe it's the same font.
You mean the new iPad typeface is the same as the new L5 one… right?
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alabama24 said:Todd Phillips said:Dan said:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.
I believe it's the same font.
You mean the new iPad typeface is the same as the new L5 one… right?
Yes. That is my meaning--meaning that is what I mean.
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Dan said:
The space between lines is too great.
Hi Dan,
On Logos 5, you can change the spacing between lines in Program Settings under the Text Display section.
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Just to give opinion from the opposite side. I like the new font on both Logos 5 PC and iPad. Every time I open the Bible, I have to appreciate the good choice of the font. And yes, I use it for longer reading. But I understand I might be an exception to the rule.
Bohuslav
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The font that has been decided for us is not easy to read at all. I prefer a simple times font and this new font, which I have no choice but to suffer with, is a complete distraction. Please give me my old font back. I don't like software developers making these decisions for me.!
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My eyes cannot 'adapt' to the new font. My eyesight is not perfect and I have had to reduce the brightness on my Ipad screen and even with that I find it a strain. Please give me the option to return to the old font!
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I agree this font is very hard to read, I changed it immediately back on my desktop app to the L4 font and was quite disappointed to learn I could not do the same on the iPad app. The curves of the font the spacing of the letters are just not conducive to reading for hours and hours upon end which is how I study. I now find myself having to put away the mobile versions and return to the desktop which is quite the disappointment, but my eyes just can not handle the iPad font and read at the speed that I can on a more standard font.
Please allow us to change back.
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Personally, I like the new font style.
To me it is crisper and makes reading much more enjoyable..
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Kevin Byford said:
I have talked repeatedly about font topics with the development department and at some point the previous font choice might be added. It's an odd position to be in - if the new font were the "old" font and we switched to the other, there would also be complaints. As always, your opinion is valued and thanks for letting us know.
Hi Kevin,
I think it would be a really good thing to allow font choices--both for typeface and for font size. Other iOS Bible apps do it.
As for the new Logos 3.1.1 app font, one thing I like is that you can finally distinguish the bold verse numbers in the NASB that mark new paragraphs!
However, I, too, would rather go back to the old font because on an iPod Touch/iPhone you lose about three lines of text on each screen because of the increased white space between the lines. Fewer lines means that I'm swiping more pages. Obviously not a big deal, but very much an unnecessary change in my opinion.
Regards,
Paul
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Agree with Paul and others. New font is a step back. Providing a choice between previous font and this will solve the problem.
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I agree, the new font is awful. I used to use the app all the time but can't now. My eyes can't adjust to the new font without straining. Why fix something that isn't broke? Can we at least have a choice?
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Paul Johnson said:
I think it would be a really good thing to allow font choices--both for typeface and for font size. Other iOS Bible apps do it.
You can change the size using the Aa symbol in the top right corner. I find I want one size smaller with this font, but I would rather go back to a conservative serif font for reading.
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The new font doesn't really bother me apart from the extra white space, but I do wonder why we can't choose our own fonts.
Andrew Mitchell
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Speaking as a customer, my vote is for being able to pick from a small set of fonts. At least the new and old, but 5 is not a crazy idea.
One of the things I've disliked with the move from Logos 3 is the removal of user choices. I understand why a mobile version of an app must by nature be smaller and more simple, but please let users have more options on some of the aspects of the applications.
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I couldn't agree more. I don't mind updates and improvements, but I do not like being forced into accepting something like a font that is tiresome. I do almost all of my reading on the iPad (only because Kindle isn't supported) and the new font it tiring after a while. At least with my BibleReader, I can change the font to suit my reading on any of my devices. Would have been good if Logos had thought of that. Folks who have vast a Logos library are pretty much stuck with whatever is shoved in front of us. Feels like being a captive audience with no choices.
Mike
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Just to give opinion from the opposite side. I like the new font on both Logos 5 PC and iPad. Every time I open the Bible, I have to appreciate the good choice of the font. And yes, I use it for longer reading. But I understand I might be an exception to the rule.
I like the new fonts better as well.
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