Linux - Ubuntu

I see we are beating a dead horse here again. Have been beating this dead horse for a long time myself.

Some correction:

"linux platform" is a bit vague, really. I would call it prolific. What you are using is incorrect terminology.

Linux is the kernel to all those distros, including android. The distros in your statement are better categorized as gnu/linux, kernel and ui.

Out of those distros 80-85% are debian based. The commercial versions put out by Red Hat, Oracle, Novell to name a few are also debian based but not added in to percentage, but good guess would bring the percentage closer to 90% debian, vague? really.

In fact Apple OS is a very close cousin to linux and gnu/linux since it is based on FreeBSD a BSD Unix OS in fact there is a project that uses the bsd kernel with a linux packaging system, and BSD Unix OS will run in gnu/linux comparability mode so that gnu/linux apps can run on it. I know too much information.

Another fact, majority of web and corporate servers run gnu/linux servers. Really, vague?

 Gnu/linux occupies well over 30-35% of the desktops out there, even running on many Apple system (5-10% market share), and again on Android.

The reason there is no Logos for Linux based systems has more to do with perceived profitability and incorrectly  "perceived vagueness of gnu/linux".

One debian based package offering would be able to run on almost all Unix, gne/linux "distros" out there!

As for the development much has already been done in that area with an Apple, Android (gnu/linux) Wine (API layer) and the new Logos 4,  a considerable amount of the work is already done.

By the way Apples OS which is really FreeBSD Unix OS in it's development stages called Darwin, is developed open source same as Linux, gnu/linux distros, Android, and the many Unix OS's) .

All that said don't hold your breath for a Logos version for the gnu/linux users whose OS is open source (free).

If you enjoy your gnu/linux you can dual boot (waste of space and security hassle), run a visualizer (also free) such as Virtual Box, kvm, Xen ... or commercial offerings such as Codeweaver or Virtual Bridges with a minimal install of Windows (any version) and then install Logos. I prefer kvm but have also tested all the others.

Or use any of the many fine Bible study tools developed for gnu/linux there are many, all good. And there is as also mentioned in previous post, the Internet.

You can also run ESword under Wine (API layer for gnu/Linux, I also use this works very well).

Oh yes you can emulate Android, also but you then have a limited Logos system, go for the virtual machine running Windows, you'll be better off all the way around.

Vague? Please! [:D]

Wow sorry things have been rather busy.

Consensus a VM for
Logos on any OS that isn't Windows or AppleOS. Virtual Box is AWSOME and
works on all variants of BSD, Linux, Windows and AppleOS and better
still it's FREE.

Speaking of FREE the whole *nix issue, if I
recall, quick look, yes your reference to stats at wikimedia are 1:1000 and dependent on user agent
being correct so we can't make that a definitive source.

I
agree majority of OS use is Windows, I would then put AppleOS and *nix
as second. Not going to be dogmatic about it but my research in other
areas shows *nix specifically Linux growing in the Desktop realm.

A little insight recent quote from Thomas Bushnell Google corporate manager:

"Put it all together: the need for top-of-the-line security, high-end
PC performance, and the flexibility to meet the desktop needs of both
genius developers and newly-hired sales representatives, and it's no
wonder that Google uses Ubuntu for its desktop operating system of
choice. “You'd be a fool to use anything but Linux.”

The Google in house OS is what they call Goobuntu.

The complete interview can be read here http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/.

And of course the conversation is looking at desktops, like mentioned previously majority of servers are *nix based. Not to mention in the past few weeks since my previous post the number of system I have personally upgraded to a *nix variant.

But
again the issue is Logos on your other than Windows and AppleOS  OS, so
use a visualizer and you can have Logos and eat your cake too. [:D]

 

 

 "virtualization" or "virtualizer" thanks for typo correction.

" rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus said:

Since the open source community does not have an alternative to Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), suspect the Logos 4 Mac user interface code (Objective C) would be easier to modify for use in open source distribution(s).

Apologies: as a volunteer, not know about the feasibility of modifying Logos 4 Mac user interface code for common shared usage.

 

Sounds like it should be feasible, but because of the proprietery nature of both the Apple UI and of Windows such an appliance would be illegal unless licensed by the perspective entities. \

Hower Android is a differnt matter it shares the same kernel as Linux and so underlying system is already there to further development and is  open source under the Apache License version 2.0,^{[127][128][129]} and the rest, Linux kernel changes, under the GNU General Public License version 2. Also almost all Linux distros are open source licensing.

Thereby making Logos VM appliaces extremely feasible for not just VB but vmware, xen and kvm using any major distro. In fact if this were a goal for Logos they could get an immense amount of help from the WINE project to develop Logos to run under WINE in any Linux distro, THIS WAS SUGGESTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO ALREADY. At that time I was told there weren't any plans to ever support  Linux.

So stop holding your breathes for Linux support, you don't look good all blue, run a vm find an old windows os do a minimal instll then install your Logos, after all remember we live in a fallen world not perfect yet.

There are many ways to accomplish support for Linux, but there is no willingness for Logos to do so.

Oops P.S.

From Logos "future releases of Logos Bible Software will require Windows Vista SP2 or newer from now on." Just found out. With Windows 8 out soon Vista probably has support for a couple more years at least.

None of the VM stuff is difficult if anybody has any questions please post and will work with you on it. Only Windows I run on my system is VM and only to run Logos so it take very little space and resources.

I want to like Linux - I really do.  It does so many things well.  I used Ubuntu to rescue my laptop's data when the Hard Drive was failing, and I saw that it has come so far from the Slackware I played with way back.

But there are issues.  There are two different package formats to distribute programs.  Yes, the .deb format seems to be winning now, but sometimes the old .deb packages don't work on new setups and so it is back to compiling tarballs.  With open source, this is not a problem. But for something like Logos...

While Logos software is technically free, making the source available could quite easily be a roadblock for licensing books from nervous publishers.  The content available is why I like Logos so much.

It is quite frustrating to see videos of MS Office running under WINE, but Logos cannot.  But, for better or worse, Logos developed version 4 with libraries that are not emulated (and libraries where they couldn't get Logos to print when version 4 came out)

We will see what happens with Windows 8 comes out.  It is possible that Linux will get a serious shot at the desktop market.  But now it does not have the market share.

I'm dual booting a Dell E520, and running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 90%+ of the time and the only reason why I run Win8 is because of Logos. Sadly, I am growing more and more reluctant booting up Logos 4 as Win 8 is slow on my hardware, time just gets sucked away with waiting. Logos 5 is probably going to make that worse.

I read that Logos4 requires minimum of 2 GB or RAM.  Unfortunately I've installed the 32bit Ubuntu 12.04LTS and can only allocate maybe 1GB of that.  Does anyone have experience with running Logos4 in VirtualBox? How much memory do you need to allocate to it for decent usability?

Salamander said:

First debian packages can be installed on RedHat/Fedora there is an app called deb2rpm, you could install a deb package on all linux distros for that matter. Second I think its kinda silly to use a Linux Emulator(Android) on linux to use an app that is already ported to linux(again Android). And now with Valve creating a linux based operatiing system for their steam machines there is not real excuse to not port anything (especially something that is already ported to linux(andorid)) to the linux desktop. They have shown that Linux is a viable desktop for commercial use and have already ported most of there game library to Linux. I think the real reason your company refuses to port to the linux desktop is due to either some mis-idea that Open Source is some sort of communist ideology or the with the courperate mind set that if you port to linux you will loose money or something (again I don't want to bead a dead horse but it is already ported to linux(Android)). 

Since the android is the dumbed down Linux version you could actually use the Mac source code and port that to linux since Unix(Mac) and Linux are abi compatible. I know a game porter who actually started porting games to the Mac from his Linux box with out using any type of emulator. He would compile the game and just move it to the mac. 

So please stop thinking with your prejudice and paranoid wallets, Microsoft has been lying to you for all these years, and start thinking with your heads. Linux desktop is just another desktop and shouldn't be shunned from your software because it just happens to be free.

Right or wrong we have been told the MONO framework needed for Logos to run on a UNIX machine is not compatible with the version of .NET framework Logos develops with, indeed the limitations of MONO we are told is the reason we in the mac Logos world can't have a 64-bit program. 

-Dan

I personally chatted with Bob about this. While it's technologically possible to do using Mono, in order to do so would cost Logos $$$ and tons of time in developmental hours, that it's not really economically feasible for Logos, and even then it'd be very hard to do.

If you count Android, Logos already runs on Linux. ;-)

I'd rather Logos use the effort to beef up their Windows and Mac versions as well as possibly their web version. If Biblia.com or some other web app Logos rolled became a little more feature filled, Ubuntu users could access it while over on that platform then use the full Logos experience back on their PC or Mac.

I know this is an old thread, but I was kind of interested in switching back to Linux, and my two roadblocks are Logos 5 and Quickbooks.

" rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus said:

Kenneth McGuire said:

But there are issues.  There are two different package formats to distribute programs.  Yes, the .deb format seems to be winning now, but sometimes the old .deb packages don't work on new setups and so it is back to compiling tarballs. 

Observation: deb and tarball are two package formats => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_package_formats

An alternative to software packaging is creating a virtual machine, then share disk image.

Package managers don't have to be an issue. The only things that make the different distros incompatible are how dependencies and filesystem structures are set up and handled. Other than that, every distro that uses the Linux kernel and Xorg are completely compatible at base level. It is possible to make a universal binary installer that installs all inclusive software in your /home folder, including all of the necessary dependencies in its own local folder, which bypasses all of the incompatibilities of the different Linux distros. All you have to do is run the binary file from the folder in /home that it was installed to, and every single distro out there can run it.

But WPF is definitely a problem. SQLite is not a problem because it is implemented in Linux. But I wonder if the MacOS version uses WPF. If not, it may not be quite as hard as what is presented here.

But there are definitely some misunderstanding here about Linux, BSD, and MacOS. MacOS is much much more than just Darwin/BSD. That's just the very base level of MacOS X. Everything else on top of that that makes MacOS X what it is is proprietary and completely incompatible with BSD, which is in itself incompatible with Linux. You can download and install a Darwin OS for free, but it won't run any MacOS X software. And even if that's how it works (which it's not), BSD is not compatible with Linux; it's just similar.

Maybe some of you guys who like to tell Logos how things could be done better would consider actually working for Logos. I know they are hiring! [:)]

OK so now Microsoft has released the sources to .NET.  Logos should follow suit and open their sources as well.  That way, the community of users can work together to target other platforms and not be at the mercy of Logos (or any other proprietary software vendor).

I have gotten off of proprietary software altogether, but you have to bear some inconveniece.   I can only use the online version of my Logos packages.  It is well worth the freedom, I control my computer, not corporations and their spying malware.

It would be nice to have Logos for Ubuntu. It seems like there is enough talk about from Logos and the customer. I am a avid Linux user, I have paid almost a few thousand for my Logos software. I have been using it way back from the Libronix era. And now over the past few years I have moved over to linux for my OS at home and at work. The job that I am in one of the requirements was to know linux. I knew enough to get the job and learned a lot more over the years. So here is my dilemma is now in order to use the software I already paid for I have to go out and pay for another OS that is not cheep and install another OS I don't even want just so use the software I already paid for. I hope you can see my frustration, so now I am stuck to only using my app on my note 4 or biblia.com. I can't tell you enough how it would be like Christmas for me to get Logos to work on Ubuntu.

Did anyone of you managed to install the logos android app on an emulator or virtualmachine. I m using ubuntu mate and I failed with androVM. I even tried to install win xp and bluestacks on a virtual machine. But this didnt work. Last try was genymotion but I failed to get a device started. Its frustrating.

I have been able to install Logos 7 successfully in Ubuntu 18.04 using wine, but whenever a resource is added (update manager OR manually) it will crash.  See this guide for how far I have gotten so far: Logos 7 in Ubuntu 18.04 using Wine

If I *manually* place a *.logos4 resources in the Resources folder, this type of error will show up:

008c:err:eventlog:ReportEventW L"Application: Logos.exe\nFramework Version: v4.0.30319\nDescription: The application requested process termination through System.Environment.FailFast(string message).\nMessage: Error opening resource at 'C:\\users\\<user>\\Logos7\\Logos\\Data\\nvkglrmx.bgj\\ResourceManager\\Resources\\95THESES.log"...

By placing a *.lbsrvi file in the Resources folder I get this sort of error:

Application: Logos.exe\nFramework Version: v4.0.30319\nDescription: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.\nException Info: System.AccessViolationException\n   at Libronix.DigitalLibrary.Resources.Logos.NativeMethods.EncryptedVolume_Open(Libronix.DigitalLibrary.Resources.Logos.Safe"...

It seems quite apparent that whatever Logos uses to open the encrypted resources is not working in wine.

Does *anyone* have more understanding of how Logos 7 resources are encrypted?  Let me be absolutely clear that I am *not* interested in cracking the encryption.  Instead I am only trying to install in wine the necessary tool needed to decrypt that is working in Windows but may need manually installed or tweaked in wine.

Any help greatly appreciated!