Queen Mother: A Biblical Theology of Mary’s Queenship
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- Catholic for a Reason II: Scripture and the Mystery of the Mother of God, Second Edition (Catholic. Currently not sold individually)
- The Catholic Mary: Quite Contrary to the Bible? (Catholic. Currently not sold individually)
- Mary for All Christians (Reformed/Ecumenical)
- Christian History & Biography Magazine, issue 83: Mary in the Imagination of the Church (Evangelical? Currently not sold individually)
- Luther's commentary on the Magnificat. Should be somewhere in Luther's Works (55 vols.)
- Raymond Brown et al: Mary in the New Testament. A Collaborative Assessment by Protestant and Roman Catholic Scholars
- Scott Hahn: Hail, Holy Queen
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You might check this out for a Biblical refutation to mariology:
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-1/
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-2/
You might check this out for a Biblical refutation to mariology:Understanding that the protestant view to Mary is very different than that of Catholicism, and I know that some protestants still can't distinguish between the two: it is important to note that Catholicism sees Mariology and Mariolatry as two completely different things.
You might check this out for a Biblical refutation to mariology:Understanding that the protestant view to Mary is very different than that of Catholicism, and I know that some protestants still can't distinguish between the two: it is important to note that Catholicism sees Mariology and Mariolatry as two completely different things.
As a Lutheran, I find it quite helpful to read carefully Lumen Gentum to see what Rome says and does not say. I am not at all sure I would say all they say - let alone say that it is dogma, but there is a vast difference between what they actually say and what most protestants say they say. For a Logos link: logosres:vat2docs;ref=VaticanII.LG_51-69
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As a Lutheran, I find it quite helpful to read carefully Lumen Gentum to see what Rome says and does not say. I am not at all sure I would say all they say - let alone say that it is dogma, but there is a vast difference between what they actually say and what most protestants say they say. For a Logos link: logosres:vat2docs;ref=VaticanII.LG_51-69
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Ken McGuire
Another great summary is the Catechism.
I believe the two most important sections of the Catechism to see what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary would be:
Understanding that the protestant view to Mary is very different than that of Catholicism
Then you're understanding incorrectly -- as are all the Protestants that believe the same.[:P]
The reformers essentially confirmed Catholic Marian dogma. The rejection came with the Enlightenment and liberal theology, not with Protestantism as such.
Note that all month the focus will be on Mary
For those who don't know: May is always the Month of Mary in the Catholic Church. (Fits even better in Swedish, where the month is maj, and Maja is one of many nicknames for Maria.[:)])
other Logos resources that speak about this topic from different perspectives
Not [yet] in Logos:
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I guess you assume I am a protestant. I am not 'protesting' anything. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God in the original languages, and that any issue of doctrine, whether Roman Catholic, or Protestant should be held to the standard of Scripture. Calling Mary the "Queen of heaven" has a big problem with Scripture (Jer 7:16-20). Calling her a mediator between us and Jesus has a similar issue (1 Tim 2:5). Calling her a co-redemptrix is a major problem (Gal 3:13, 4:5, Titus 2:14), and also with Hebrews 9:22 because of the necessity of shedding blood of a perfect, spotless sacrifice to cover forever the stain of our sin. She was not crucified, and having the stain of Adam's sin (Rom 5:12) she would not be spotless either.
The term mariolatry is a play on words that implies that the worship of Mary is idolatry. I hope this clears up any confusion.
I hope this clears up any confusion.
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Bill, peace be with you brother. While I don't appreciate equating Catholic understanding of Mariology as idolatry, I still appreciate your enthusiasm for scripture. As you might have guessed I am Catholic and I agree with your statement that any issue of doctrine should be held to the standard of scripture. The problem as you may agree, boils down to the issue of interpretation and who is interpreting scripture correctly. Isn't it good that more often than not, we agree on most issues? As baptized Christians we are all true brothers and sisters in the Lord (Eph 4:5). Sometimes perhaps because of our zeal we fail to see each others' point of view or even refuse to try. The wonderful thing about Logos is that there is a large collection of resources from almost every angle in Christianity including the 2000 year old Catholic Church.I guess you assume I am a protestant. I am not 'protesting' anything. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God in the original languages, and that any issue of doctrine, whether Roman Catholic, or Protestant should be held to the standard of Scripture. Calling Mary the "Queen of heaven" has a big problem with Scripture (Jer 7:16-20). Calling her a mediator between us and Jesus has a similar issue (1 Tim 2:5). Calling her a co-redemptrix is a major problem (Gal 3:13, 4:5, Titus 2:14), and also with Hebrews 9:22 because of the necessity of shedding blood of a perfect, spotless sacrifice to cover forever the stain of our sin. She was not crucified, and having the stain of Adam's sin (Rom 5:12) she would not be spotless either.
The term mariolatry is a play on words that implies that the worship of Mary is idolatry. I hope this clears up any confusion.
Instead of directly addressing the points you raised (which would be contrary to the rules of the forums), may I humbly suggest the same Logos resources suggested by Ken, fgh and Fr Devin in their posts above to help you see the Catholic point of view?
Ken succinctly expressed this as:
there is a vast difference between what they actually say and what most protestants say they say.
Regarding the title 'Queen of Heaven', the book mentioned in the OP is really perfect to address the issue.
I would be interested in hearing reviews of this book from different perspectives.
One of the first things I check are the reviews at Amazon. While some reviews center more on themselves than the book, it is often helpful to view these - in this case I think they give some good information: http://www.amazon.com/Queen-Mother-Biblical-Theology-Queenship/product-reviews/1931018243/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Hope this helps,
Mick
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This is Ted Sri's doctoral discertation. It is very scholary. The table of contents is below. Writing style can be seen in the sample pages from Chapter One. I'm not sure if it acceptable that I post the brief introduction here. I would be happy to do so if someone could give me a ruling and if it would help the forum readers. Let me know.
Introduction
Chapter One
Toward a Biblical Theology of Mary’s Queenship
1.1 Doctrinal Development of Mary’s Queenship
1.1.1 Church Fathers and Theologians in Later Centuries
1.1.2 Liturgy, Art, and Popular Piety
1.1.3 Magisterial Teaching
1.2 The Biblical Foundations of Mary’s Queenship
1.2.1 A Theology Detached from the Scriptures
1.2.2 Theological Deductions Drawn from Scripture
1.2.3 "Extra-Biblical" Typology
1.2.4 Salvation-Historical Approach: Mary as the New Queen Mother
Chapter Two
The Queen Mother in the Old Testament
2.1 The Queen Mother in the Ancient Near East
2.2 The Queen Mother in the Davidic Kingdom
2.2.1 Queen Mother: An Official Position in the Royal Court
2.2.2 The Queen Mother’s Influence in the Kingdom
2.3 Queen-Mother Themes in Israel’s Messianic Hopes
2.3.1 Isaiah 7:14
2.3.2 Genesis 3:15
Chapter Three
The Queen Mother and the New Testament Portrayal of Mary
3.1 Matthew 1–2
3.1.1 Davidic Kingdom Themes in Matthew 1–2
3.1.2 Queen-Mother Allusions in Matthew 1–2
3.2 Luke 1:26–45
3.2.1 The Annunciation (Luke 1:26–38)
3.2.1.1 Davidic Kingdom Themes in the Annunciation to Mary
3.2.1.2 Mary as Mother of the Messiah-King in the Annunciation
3.2.2 The Visitation (Lk. 1:39–45)
3.3 Revelation 12
3.3.1 Interpreting the "Woman Clothed with the Sun"
3.3.1.1 Background to the Woman in Revelation 12
3.3.1.2 Various Interpretations of the Woman
3.3.2 Queenship Themes in Revelation 12
Chapter Four
Summary Conclusions
This is Ted Sri's doctoral discertation. It is very scholary. The table of contents is below. Writing style can be seen in the sample pages from Chapter One. I'm not sure if it acceptable that I post the brief introduction here. I would be happy to do so if someone could give me a ruling and if it would help the forum readers. Let me know.
I would love to read this dissertation. It is available for purchase?
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The book is the dissertation. It's Ed Sri by the way. It's a fascinating subject. Good reading!This is Ted Sri's doctoral discertation. It is very scholary. The table of contents is below. Writing style can be seen in the sample pages from Chapter One. I'm not sure if it acceptable that I post the brief introduction here. I would be happy to do so if someone could give me a ruling and if it would help the forum readers. Let me know.I would love to read this dissertation. It is available for purchase?
This is Ted Sri's doctoral discertation. It is very scholary. The table of contents is below. Writing style can be seen in the sample pages from Chapter One. I'm not sure if it acceptable that I post the brief introduction here. I would be happy to do so if someone could give me a ruling and if it would help the forum readers. Let me know.I would love to read this dissertation. It is available for purchase?
Hi Bruce, Sleiman already replied but I wanted to make sure you were clear. The book of which you are asking about is Dr. Sri's published discertation. It's a little dense at times but worth the effort. Blessings, SteveThis is Ted Sri's doctoral discertation. It is very scholary. The table of contents is below. Writing style can be seen in the sample pages from Chapter One. I'm not sure if it acceptable that I post the brief introduction here. I would be happy to do so if someone could give me a ruling and if it would help the forum readers. Let me know.I would love to read this dissertation. It is available for purchase?
Thanks Steve, I didn't realize it at first but I came to that conclusion shortly after I made my first post.
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A couple of reviews on goodread.com: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/663045.Queen_Mother#other_reviews
Also this link is to an article not specifically mentioning the book, but that will give you a flavor of what you'll expect.
I searched for reviews of the book by protestants but could not find any.
Peace, Bruce! *smile* Thanks for the "heads-up"! Appreciate your post! Hope to get the same e-mail....This resource is currently being offered by Logos at discount for the month of May - http://www.logos.com/product/20535/queen-mother-a-biblical-theology-of-marys-queenship?utm_source=catholic&utm_medium=email&utm_content=4487577&utm_campaign=verbum2013q2
I am not Catholic and have always been puzzled by their approach to Mary. I would be interested in hearing reviews of this book from different perspectives and would appreciate if anyone could point out to other Logos resources that speak about this topic from different perspectives.
I'm Lutheran and we have always regarded The Virgin Mary very highly! It's not a very expensive book, so I hope the "discount" will add to the desirability of the book ....
From the King James ....And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: For, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; And holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him
From generation to generation.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I am not Catholic and have always been puzzled by their approach to Mary. I would be interested in hearing reviews of this book from different perspectives and would appreciate if anyone could point out to other Logos resources that speak about this topic from different perspectives.
While I am not a Catholic and never have been, I bought the book and read it immediately since the treatment of Mary by the Catholic Church has always been a matter of disagreement with me. It's good to see that they are making an attempt to ground their doctrine in the text of scripture, but it seems to me that their attempts rely on a considerable amount of deduction from positons which were never that clear in the first place. In regard to Is 7 it is assumed that the עלמה was the queen mother though there is virtually no evidence for that. In short, nice try, but no cigar.
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
While I am not a Catholic and never have been, I bought the book and read it immediately since the treatment of Mary by the Catholic Church has always been a matter of disagreement with me.That's the right attitude: read what the other side has to say for an informed judgement. I'm pretty sure you already know this and agree with me about this recommendation but it's also for whoever is reading this: Please keep on reading, and learning, never stop.
In regard to Is 7 it is assumed that the עלמה was the queen motherI have only read snippets and not the whole book, so could you please post a logos link to that part in the resource discussing this? I'd like to get a closer look at it. Thanks!
I have only read snippets and not the whole book, so could you please post a logos link to that part in the resource discussing this? I'd like to get a closer look at it. Thanks!
Done (It's in the TOC)
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Peace, George! Firstly, I plan to buy this resource very soon ...... Just haven't gotten around to it with "busyness" as per usual ............. *smile*
Second - Thanks for the "citation" code. Logos is getting pretty "clever" with the previews, eh???? It takes me to Logos.com shows me the contents and preview and shares very gently and encouragingly that I can buy the book ... Still smiling!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
In regard to Is 7 it is assumed that the עלמה was the queen mother though there is virtually no evidence for that.After reading the paragraph about Is 7, I agree with you that the treatment does not provide proof or evidence. I don't think that was the intent however. The argument presented is still plausible and coherent regardless.
I may get fire back for posting the following, but please bear with me. It goes without saying of course, to understand the many Catholic Marian dogmas, one needs to (at least for the sake of reducing the confusion) step out of the paradigm of expectation that everything should be explicit in scripture alone, and allow for the historical aspect to help (tradition of interpretation and prayer in the church). Anglicans, as far as I know, like Catholics, believe that God speaks through the Church, the councils, holy tradition, nature, reason etc. Have I got that wrong? And as MJ reminds us once every while, lex orandi lex credendi. [:)]
I am not Catholic and have always been puzzled by their approach to Mary.
I would suggest that you check out Mary Through the Centuries: Her Place in the History of Culture by Jaroslav Pelikan [not in Logos] as this is a case where an understanding of church history - east & west - is more helpful in understanding than the Biblical defense.
Mary for All Christians by John Macquarrie [in Logos] is a useful resource by a Reformed theologian; Table of Contents
Foreword to the Second Edition
Foreword
Acknowledgements
Introduction: Annunciation
PART ONE
1 God and the Feminine
2 Mary in the New Testament
3 Immaculate Conception
4 Glorious Assumption
5 Mary Corredemptrix
6 Mary and Modernity
PART TWO
An Ecumenical Office of Mary the Mother of Jesus
John Macquarrie, Mary for All Christians (Edinburgh, Scotland: T&T Clark, 2001), v.
This has the advantage of being written by someone who doesn't assume the knowledge that a Catholic can be assumed to have.
None of which is intended to discourage the purchase of Queen Mother: A Biblical Theology of Mary's Queenship, merely to note that there are other resources to consider that may fit your purpose better.
You might check this out for a Biblical refutation to mariology:
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-1/
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-2/
I'm glad this is not typical of John MacArthur. It does serve as a very good example of why one should read Pelikan, Macquarrie and Sri to have an accurate picture of what you are accepting/rejecting. These blog posts earn their own personal, ultra-large and rare version of the famous hound
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Southern Baptist? http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/03/evangelicals-and-the-mother-of-god-40
Anyone know this resource? Mary for Evangelicals: Toward an Understanding of the Mother of Our Lord by Tim Perry
Some sources from the reformation:
Because the blog from which this is taken deserves it's own fallacy hound, rather than giving the link I am giving only the quotations. This simply helps but things in historical perspective if you don't want the real history i.e. Pelikan.
Martin Luther:
Mary the Mother of God
Throughout his life Luther maintained without change the historic Christian affirmation that Mary was the Mother of God:
"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."1
Perpetual Virginity
Again throughout his life Luther held that Mary's perpetual virginity was an article of faith for all Christians - and interpreted Galatians 4:4 to mean that Christ was "born of a woman" alone.
"It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin."2
The Immaculate Conception
Yet again the Immaculate Conception was a doctrine Luther defended to his death (as confirmed by Lutheran scholars like Arthur Piepkorn). Like Augustine, Luther saw an unbreakable link between Mary's divine maternity, perpetual virginity and Immaculate Conception. Although his formulation of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was not clear-cut, he held that her soul was devoid of sin from the beginning:
"But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin..."3
Assumption
Although he did not make it an article of faith, Luther said of the doctrine of the Assumption:
"There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know."4
Honor to Mary
Despite his unremitting criticism of the traditional doctrines of Marian mediation and intercession, to the end Luther continued to proclaim that Mary should be honored. He made it a point to preach on her feast days.
"The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart."5
"Is Christ only to be adored? Or is the holy Mother of God rather not to be honoured? This is the woman who crushed the Serpent's head. Hear us. For your Son denies you nothing."6 Luther made this statement in his last sermon at Wittenberg in January 1546.
John Calvin: It has been said that John Calvin belonged to the second generation of the Reformers and certainly his theology of double predestination governed his views on Marian and all other Christian doctrine . Although Calvin was not as profuse in his praise of Mary as Martin Luther he did not deny her perpetual virginity. The term he used most commonly in referring to Mary was "Holy Virgin".
"Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God."7
"Helvidius has shown himself too ignorant, in saying that Mary had several sons, because mention is made in some passages of the brothers of Christ."8 Calvin translated "brothers" in this context to mean cousins or relatives.
"It cannot be denied that God in choosing and destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor."9
"To this day we cannot enjoy the blessing brought to us in Christ without thinking at the same time of that which God gave as adornment and honour to Mary, in willing her to be the mother of his only-begotten Son."10
Ulrich Zwingli:
"It was given to her what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God."11
"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin."12 Zwingli used Exodus 4:22 to defend the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity.
"I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary."13
"Christ ... was born of a most undefiled Virgin."14
"It was fitting that such a holy Son should have a holy Mother."15
"The more the honor and love of Christ increases among men, so much the esteem and honor given to Mary should grow."16
NOTES
1 Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works, English translation edited by J. Pelikan [Concordia: St. Louis], volume 24, 107.
2 Martin Luther, op. cit., Volume 11, 319-320.
3 Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works,
English translation edited by J. Pelikan [Concordia: St.
Louis], Volume 4, 694.
4 [Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works (Translation by William J. Cole) 10, p. 268.
5 [Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works
(Translation by William J. Cole) 10, III, p.313.
6 Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works, English translation edited by J. Pelikan [Concordia: St. Louis], Volume 51, 128-129.
7 John Calvin, Calvini Opera [Braunshweig-Berlin, 1863-1900], Volume 45, 35.
8 Bernard Leeming, "Protestants and Our Lady", Marian Library Studies, January 1967, p.9.
9 John Calvin, Calvini Opera [Braunshweig-Berlin, 1863-1900], Volume 45, 348.
10 John Calvin, A Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke (St. Andrew's Press, Edinburgh, 1972), p.32.
11 Ulrich Zwingli, In Evang. Luc., Opera Completa [Zurich, 1828-42], Volume 6, I, 639
12 Ulrich Zwingli, Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Volume 1, 424.
13 E. Stakemeier, De Mariologia et Oecumenismo, K. Balic, ed., (Rome, 1962), 456.
14 Ibid.
15 Ibid.
16 Ulrich Zwingli, Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Volume 1, 427-428.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Southern Baptist? http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/03/evangelicals-and-the-mother-of-god-40
Anyone know this resource? Mary for Evangelicals: Toward an Understanding of the Mother of Our Lord by Tim Perry
Thanks for the link, excellent stuff!
The Perry book seems to go into the same direction, but with a strong foundation in credible exegesis of the NT, whereas I'm not personally convinced of the relevance of the OT queen mother we're to get in the resource this thread is about.
Thus "Mary for Evangelicals" would be a really nice addition to Logos (that's what I took from the look-into pages in Amazon - unfortunately, no kindle edition and the paperback sells for ~25 bucks (or more, even used copies seem to be more expensive if shipping to the outer rim of the galaxis center of Europe is included).
Have joy in the Lord!
whereas I'm not personally convinced of the relevance of the OT queen mother we're to get in the resource this thread is about.I understand that the more general topic of Mary in the OT (not only the queen mother theme) may not be as interesting to you; but because I personally find it fascinating and others might as well, I'm going to share a few more recommendations for checking this out.
Mariology draws a lot from studies about Mary in the OT. Think Eve, Sarah, Hannah, Judith, Esther, the Ark of Covenant itself, etc. A good synopsis of this is in P.E. Benedict XVI's book (available in Logos): "Daughter Zion: Meditations on the Church's Marian Belief".
This link provides downloadable mp3's of a couple of lectures by Dr. Lawrence Feingold about Mary in the OT. Read about a summary of the lectures in this blogpost.
Lastly one of my all time favorites: Have you heard of St. Louis de Montfort? Logos has a collection of his works on CP. His treatment of Rebecca as a type of Mary in his book on the true devotion is so beautifully written it's unparalleled anywhere else as far as I know. You can read it online here.
[y]You might check this out for a Biblical refutation to mariology:
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-1/
http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/john-macarthur-on-mariolatry-part-2/
I'm glad this is not typical of John MacArthur. It does serve as a very good example of why one should read Pelikan, Macquarrie and Sri to have an accurate picture of what you are accepting/rejecting. These blog posts earn their own personal, ultra-large and rare version of the famous hound
I would suggest that you check out Mary Through the Centuries: Her Place in the History of Culture by Jaroslav Pelikan [not in Logos] as this is a case where an understanding of church history - east & west - is more helpful in understanding than the Biblical defense.
Thanks M.J. Maybe you could suggest that Logos carry this book as I can see how it would be helpful.
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This resource is currently being offered by Logos at discount for the month of May - http://www.logos.com/product/20535/queen-mother-a-biblical-theology-of-marys-queenship?utm_source=catholic&utm_medium=email&utm_content=4487577&utm_campaign=verbum2013q2
I am not Catholic and have always been puzzled by their approach to Mary. I would be interested in hearing reviews of this book from different perspectives and would appreciate if anyone could point out to other Logos resources that speak about this topic from different perspectives.
How is that a "discount"? The only price given for comparison is the print price, not the Logos regular price, and the "discount" is only $1.05, a mere 7% off the print price.
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How is that a "discount"?
The discount offer was sent to Bruce via email… (He probably shouldn't have said anything about it [:P]). Your best bet would be to contact customer service.
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The email was sent to those subscribed to Catholic and liturgical resources email list. The coupon code for a 15% discount is [deleted to comply with Logos policy]How is that a "discount"?The discount offer was sent to Bruce via email… (He probably shouldn't have said anything about it
). Your best bet would be to contact customer service.
The email was sent to those subscribed to Catholic and liturgical resources email list.How is that a "discount"?The discount offer was sent to Bruce via email… (He probably shouldn't have said anything about it
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Could someone who is "in the know" please clarify If I should have not said anything about the discount? Is it okay to share discount codes here on the forums?
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Only for Logos employees. Others may point to it (e.g. " Today's 'daily deal' on Twitter gives 50% on the fabulous resource XYZ ! " ) but should refrain from posting the code itself.Is it okay to share discount codes here on the forums?
Could someone who is "in the know" please clarify If I should have not said anything about the discount? Is it okay to share discount codes here on the forums?No, discount codes are not to be posted on the fora.
I sort of suspected this and that's why in my original post I didn't include the code. On the other hand I did make mention of this discount. Please clarify if this is okay as I think it is okay and I would direct people to sign up for mailings which would allow them to receive future discounts. Surely this is even what Logos desires.
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in my original post I didn't include the code. On the other hand I did make mention of this discount. Please clarify if this is okay as I think it is okay and I would direct people to sign up for mailings which would allow them to receive future discounts. Surely this is even what Logos desires.
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The email was sent to those subscribed to Catholic and liturgical resources email list. The coupon code for a 15% discount isHow is that a "discount"?The discount offer was sent to Bruce via email… (He probably shouldn't have said anything about it
). Your best bet would be to contact customer service.
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The email was sent to those subscribed to Catholic and liturgical resources email list. The coupon code for a 15% discount is [deleted to comply with Logos policy]Well folks, if you missed reading it when it was available here for a little while, Logos has made this coupon code public, it's in their recent Verbum blog.
Is there a blog post about it?
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I received an email about the offer. Although I can't see this resource specifically mentioned in this blog here is the link for the Verbum Blog - http://scripturestudysoftware.com/blog/?utm_source=catholic&utm_medium=email&utm_content=4487577&utm_campaign=verbum2013q2
Note that all month the focus will be on Mary.
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While I haven't read this book and so can't comment on it, a nice summary of the ANE background to this book is found here: The Great Lady in ANE
This is taken from "Ancient Israel: It's Life and Institutions" by Roland de Vaux. This book is a classic and would be great to see in Logos!!
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