HELP! my memory cache is full

MJ. Smith said:

No - I don't mean my computer's memory, I mean my memory - the one that uses my brain for storage. With the resources that appear in the predefined "collections" used in the Guides - definitions, topics, etc.- constantly changing as resources are retagged or bugs fixed, I am at a total loss as to how to make sure I've checked all my related resources without doing a bunch of work twice. PLEASE make the implied collections visible so that I can subtract them out of personal collections and determine what I really need to check.

Once they've fixed the bugs that are preventing some resources showing in the Guides, it should be straight forward to create your own collections that mirror the "implied" collections. We're promised the bugs will be fixed in the next beta.

Doc B said:

I must have slept through the lecture.

Somebody please 'splain what an implied collection is.

MJ's talking about the subsets of resources that are used in various sections of the guides. Not all sections use all your resources, but instead they choose a subset based on the resource type.

MJ. Smith said:

Is it that easy to check the tagging?

The conversation is here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/70556/491290.aspx#491290

This is what we do now know (I think), that the following sections use the following "implied collections":

Passage Guide

• Commentaries section: type:bible-commentary, type:bible-notes
• Cross References section: type:bible-cross-reference-index
• Parallel Passages section: type:bible-harmony
• Literary Typing section: system resource (mackie.lbxlty)
• Biblical People/Places/Things/Events: various system resources
• Media Resources: Unknown
• Music: subset of type:media-collection
• Outlines section: Unknown
• Topics: LCV database
• Illustrations section: Unknown
• Collections: Whole library

Exegetical Guide

• Apparatus section: type:bible-apparatus
• Grammar section: type:grammar

Topic Guide

• Definition section: type:encyclopedia, type:dictionary, type:lexicon
• Related Verses section: probably the LCV database
• Illustrations: Unknown
• Media Resources: Unknown
• Collections: Whole library, but in practice only resources with headwords

Sermon Starter Guide (Topic)

• Theme section: system database
• Passages section: system database
• Preaching Resources: Unknown (same as illustrations sections above?)
• Thematic Outlines: system database produced from Dictionary of Bible Themes resource
• Collections: Will be whole library in Beta 9 (I think), but in practice only resources with headwords

Sermon Starter Guide (Bible Reference)

• Theme section: system database
• Thematic Outlines: system database produced from Dictionary of Bible Themes resource
• Collections: Whole library in Beta 9
• Commentaries: type:bible-commentary, type:bible-notes 
• Outlines: Unknown
• Parallel Passages section: type:bible-harmony
• Topics: LCV database

MJ. Smith said:

he one difference that I saw glancing through is that I believe that the cross-references also includes entries from the study Bibles

I was referring to the upper part of that section. The lower part uses data generated from Bibles (specifically, I think, the CEV, NASB, NIV2011, HCSB, NKJV and ESV).

MJ. Smith said:

which is why I want implied collection made explicit ... 'cause I don't know which Bibles are included.

I don't think that data is coming from our Bibles. I think Logos generate themselves, and use it to create a centralized database that is then distributed to all of us. There's an easy way of checking. Are your cross references the same as my cross references? Let's check a couple:

• Genesis 4:8
  Mt 23:35; Lk 11:51; Heb 12:24; 1 Jn 3:12, 13, 14, 15; Jud 11
• 1 Timothy 1:17
  1 Ch 29:11; Ps 10:16, 47:7, 90:2; Mk 10:37; Jn 1:18, 5:44; Ro 1:23, 11:36, 16:27; 1 Co 8:6, 9:25; Eph 4:6; Php 4:20; Col 1:15; 1 Ti 2:5, 6:15, 16; Heb 11:27; 2 Pe 1:17; 1 Jn 4:12; Jud 25; Re 4:9, 10, 5:12, 15:3, 22:21
  

Interesting that you have Wisdom as a cross reference. I even switched to Verbum mode, but didn't get it. So do you know what resource that's come from? A basic search for <Wisdom 10:3> across your entire library using the Cross Reference and Cross References field should find it.

MJ. Smith said:

It appears to be from NABRE

That would make sense, as us poor Europeans are not allowed to buy NABRE. So it does look like it's coming from the Bibles that we own.

NB.Mick said:

This poor European owns NABRE, but my PG cross-reference list looks exactly as yours (and *.png display is broken yet again).

I wonder if you need NABRE and Verbum - NABRE to find this specific cross reference, and Verbum to add apocrypha support to the PG?

Mark Barnes said:

Interesting that you have Wisdom as a cross reference.

Interesting indeed. I don't have it either, and I too have NABRE and use the Verbum setting.

And Mick's on Windows Beta, while I'm on Mac Stable, so the two most common causes for differences seem ruled out.

Addition after seeing your new post:

It's hard to imagine a Bible that MJ has, but you, I and Mick don't. My prime suspect would be the New Jerusalem.

NB.Mick said:

I can at least confirm that I don't have the NJB (would love to have one for the much-acclaimed notes, never tried whether Logos would sell me the supposedly US-only reader's edition). 

And neither do I. I thought it was NABRE that I wasn't allowed to purchase, but I can see that I was getting mixed with New Jerusalem. So, if MJ has New Jerusalem, and New Jersualem has Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference, then it will be mystery solved. Over to you!

NB.Mick said:

However, since we all own the NABRE which has the cross reference, we all should see it - or is there an error in the database field you were exploring, so Logos thinks there are no cross-references in NABRE and doesn't query this bible for them?

Logos doesn't use all Bibles to do generate the cross references. I own dozens, but only four are used. I don't own NABRE, so I'm not able to determine whether or not it uses that. One of the reasons why not all are used is that many of them have the same source anyway, and because Logos uses frequency to determine importance, counting the same set of references twice in two resources would be counter-productive.

Mark Barnes said:

I don't own NABRE, so I'm not able to determine whether or not it uses that.

I just bought NABRE and I can confirm it does have the cross references trait, so should be used in the Passage Guide. I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section:

So, we now know:

• This section is generated dynamically from the resources in your library.
• Not all Bibles are used, only those with the contains-cross-reference-footnotes trait.
• Known Bibles which include that trait are the ESV, HCSB, NKJV, TNIV and NABRE. It is unlikely, but not impossible that other Bibles may also support this trait.
• That implementation is buggy.
• Manipulating the LibraryCatalog to add the trait to other resources that also have cross references doesn't work [:(]

fgh said:

So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.

I can only suggest that there's a bug. MJ has already filed a report, to which I added the extra information we've gleaned since. There's been no response yet.

fgh said:

Mark Barnes said:

I can also confirm that running a Passage Guide after installing NABRE, I do now have Wisdom 10:3 in my Cross References section

So why don't I (or Mick) have it? I even hid, unhid, and reindexed my NABRE, but I still don't see it. Tried with Verbum set to both yes and no as well. And I don't have a saved guide for that verse either.

I never use the Passage Guide since I feel it's rather useless.  I don't have NABRE and don't get Wisdom 10.3 and think I should.  It's perfectly well related to Gen 4.8. (NRSV)

But when an unrighteous man departed from her in his anger,
he perished because in rage he killed his brother.

George Somsel said:

I don't have NABRE and don't get Wisdom 10.3 and think I should.

If you don't have a resource with Wisdom 10:3 as a cross reference, then it won't appear in your cross references section. Like most sections in Logos, this one gathers information from the resources you own.

Mark Barnes said:

Would anyone like to confirm?

This prioritization doesn't work:

Moving the RSVCE above Bibel 82 works -- but is, of course, not an acceptable solution for me.

Note: Bibel 82 and Tillägg till GT 82 share a series tag. I can enter an Apocrypha reference in the first and get to the second, or the other way around.

OK, I worked it out (I think). This assumes the new ESV datatype supports the apocrypha. Here's what I posted in the other thread:

Mark Barnes said:

To summarise for the Logos engineers

• The problem is definitely related to the most highly prioritised Bible that isn't using advanced prioritisation to limit it to only one resource.
• It seems that the problem relates to the datatype of that preferred Bible. Apparently, only passages that are "valid" according to that datatype are displayed. This causes these problems:
  
• If your most highly prioritised Bible uses a Septuagint datatype, you'll never see any NT references.
• If your most highly prioritised Bible uses a protestant canon datatype, you'll never see any apocryphal references.
• If your most highly prioritised Bible uses an NT datatype, you'll never see OT or apocrypha references.