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I get educated everyday when my Logos goes mobile on my Nexus 7 and sometimes on my phone too.
Something tells me this isnt what you meant, huh?
Given that this thread was started by Johnny Cisneros, one of the creators of the DVD "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" I'm guessing this new venture has to do with training videos for mobile devices.
Johnny, could you tell us more? Is there a website yet? I googled "Logos Mobile Education" and didn't find anything except this thread.
It seems premature to create a forum about something that hasn't even been announced yet. Who is going to have questions about it? Apart from this sort of speculative "what the heck is it?" kind of question. Maybe that's the whole point -- to create some buzz surrounding it before it's released.
http://blog.logos.com/2013/05/announcing-logos-mobile-education
We're excited about our new Logos Mobile Education division and its potential to help you learn and grow. Please use this new forum to post your thoughts or questions. We appreciate your feedback. Thank you! Johnny
Ok, I have briefly read through the blog announcement, and have discerned that Logos will be implementing an online bible course. Now for the questions.
1. What level of courses will be offered? Will it be for babies (beginners), toddlers (those that are aware, but know very little), teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further), adults (those that know much, and want to know much more), or seniors (those that are seasoned and can teach, preach, etc.)?
2. Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program?
3. Will there be a cost for this in addition to ownership/license of Logos or will it just require the user/student to be a registered user with the resources?
4. Are there any samples or video descriptions of this?
5. Will this be an academic program with credits or is it for anyone desiring to go further in their personal study?
From the blog post:
Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program?
Every video is transcribed for cross-referencing and tagging within Logos, so the video content can be discovered in searches, just like books within Logos; this makes your course part of your permanent library.
From the blog post: Will this be somehow integrated within the Logos application or will it be a separate website with links to the individual's Logos program? Every video is transcribed for cross-referencing and tagging within Logos, so the video content can be discovered in searches, just like books within Logos; this makes your course part of your permanent library.
Thanks Mark; I missed that.
Maybe its too soon, but it would be nice to have more of a description of the details since the word is now out. [:)]
Hi rosie.
I do agree with you
Certainly sounds interesting..... [H]
Great! Looking to learn how we can LEARN more! Let's make all this tech stuff work for us. So we can be more effective in sharing the GOOD NEWS in the WORD and of CHRIST!!
I also hope you are going to bring Morris in on this too! He has being working from the beginning to bring training together with the Logos Software for the plain man or women in the world to grow and be more effective with the Logos Software. I feel he has the background and experience that would be a great help in the development of this project.
Is Logos Mobile Education a more sophisticated version of Proctor's training videos? Is LME training in the use of specific Logos resources? Is LME, as stated earlier, an education in biblical or ministerial subjects?
Unfortunately I fear, like many of the Logos Resources, the price would mean that it would be out of reach for many of us :-(
Are you talking about actual college type courses? Or just training on how to use Logos?
We need more details.
teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one [:D]. (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one [:D]. (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom is a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
I too am excited about this, my main question would be about cost, what if any is going to be the cost of this?
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one [:D]. (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom is a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have passed through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
I look forward to learning more about this. It sounds like a real help section F1 option that is lacking in Logos. The cost is something that concerns me, I would like it to be considered part of the package so the user can get the full use out of the tools they have purchased.
J.T.
Now note that each time I attempted to edit my original post, this forum created a new post. Great idea for boosting post count, but otherwise quite frustrating.
The blog post says it's both, lectures in biblical studies, theology and church history, and screencasts showing how to "validate lecture content" in Logos.
Logos has been focused on equipping users for Bible study… Logos has not had instruction in biblical content as a primary goal… The time has come for us to address this problem…
…biblical studies, theology, church history, or any subject a Logos Mobile Education course might cover
Logos Mobile Education courses include expert professors recorded in HD video... Screencast demonstrations are added to lectures to show students how Logos can be used to validate lecture content
Looking Forward to This!
If the Faithful Living Series is anything to go by, then I'm really looking forward to this. I give the initiative 10 stars and can't wait for the first course / module.
We have been going through the Faithlife bible Reading Plan as a church and our mens ministry has been going through the Abraham course (one session per month) and it's been great.
Thanks Logos... and keep up the good work.
teenagers (those that have the training of their parents, and want to go further) Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one . (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Don't teenagers already know everything? If you don't believe that, just ask one . (Speaking from long experience here: 3 adult children, each of whom was a former teen; 7 grandchildren who have pass through those years; 1 grandchild just now learning of his vast knowledge)
Hi Jack;
Yes, that is so true. I should have placed the teenagers beyond the senior (seasoned). [:D]
You are blessed. So far, I have 3 grandchildren (the oldest being 5) and 7 adults (we are done). [:)]
This is exciting! This is why I started LearnLogos.com. Glad to see Logos recognizing the need.
I hope this doesn't come out wrong, but I'm having trouble getting excited about this at the moment.
The blog article is written in the present tense as if it's available now, but has no real details about how to get it, what exactly is available, and how much. If it were written as more of a "it's coming in the future" article, I could understand the lack of details. But that's not how I read it.
I'd like to get excited about this. I really would. But, I wish a sentence or two would have been used to at least give us an availability date if nothing more.
Hi John;
Good to see you visit the board. [:)]
I enjoy your webinars and continue to look forward to each one of them.
Sounds like a fantastic idea. Only wish my lectures at university had been available like this! I could have concentrated on the lecture content rather than note taking. I think it has a lot of potential. Price point will be interesting as I have the Greek and Hebrew videos I bought while on discount. Not sure I could have afforded them at the full price.
David
I'd like to know more about this myself...
Is this a replacement to AM Bible Courseware; something similar to the "Charles Stanley Institute for Christian Living" they once offered online; or a full fledged seminary courseware engine inside Logos?
Erwin, Thanks for your questions. I will give you some answers.
As long as I am explaining things, I should add two important design philosophies in our courses. That is "usefulness for teaching and preaching" and "the skills to do further study on your own."
As we have flown in professors from various schools we have stressed to them the need to make the material applicable to teachers and preachers. Demonstrate how the information can be communicated to others. The second task is highly specialized. That is to learn how to apply your Logos skills to the material you are now studying. Learn to dig out the information just like the teacher did before you. So we have created a whole series of context based lessons which will teach you to use Logos for theology, church history, hermeneutics, etc. One of our forum menbers, Mark Barnes has become a major contributor in this area of practical application.
When a professor asks us to describe the program we say, "Think of this as vocational training for ministry." We expect that our users will already be serving in ministry and their desire for education is real and practical.
I love what I'm hearing so far and am very excited. Not just as a possible customer, but down the road as a possible contributor once I'm more qualified for professor work.
Good stuff Dale, I like what I am hearing. If you have not done so, I may have missed it, partner with schools, to offer accredited courses. Say six hours towards a MA in Theology, or OT, etc..
The next step is to work with publishers so that if a text is required reading or a must when researching a topic (think ICC) the user can rent it for X time. That way everyone will have access to a professional library. After X time, the resource automatically locks in their library, unless they take it out again, up to Y times.
Good stuff Dale, I like what I am hearing. If you have not done so, I may have missed it, partner with schools, to offer accredited courses. Say six hours towards a MA in Theology, or OT, etc.. The next step is to work with publishers so that if a text is required reading or a must when researching a topic (think ICC) the user can rent it for X time. That way everyone will have access to a professional library. After X time, the resource automatically locks in their library, unless they take it out again, up to Y times.
I agree on the part about accredited courses. Being able to complete some of my seminary training through Logos would be excellent. Logos itself doesn't need to be the "online institute", but if it can partner with a wide range of its institutes to allow some of the courses to go toward college credit, that'd be great.
I like the idea about "rentable" textbooks as well. Have them available for rent during the course, then have them disappear from the library when the course is complete. Then if we want permanent access to the book later on, purchase it.
I wonder about the...well...the OBVIOUS. The fact that Logos isn't just going to be "tagging" and indexing current resources, but (at least from the sound of it) creating content. I realize that on some level they have done this in some ways already, but this could get to be a mine field of theological disputation. Now, I don't have a problem with that, but I sorta thought Logos did. [;)]
Just what are we tagging and linking to? This raises several issues.
Does the student have sufficient resources to accommodate the tags and links? When we release the official pre-pub we will outline the basic assumptions that underlie the whole effort. One of objectives is to "not color outside the lines" as my mother used to say. On the one hand we want to create an education environment sufficient to the task of education on the subject under study. This means that the user must have a sufficiently large Logos library to accommodate all the links related to the course material since in our system there are no text books, but rather an entire library. Once we define the "lines" or boundaries our instructional designers are not allowed to link outside a designated standard book collection for primary links and not outside our available Logos resources for advanced and supplemental links. This means you do not have to get in your car and go to a theological library to complete any assignment. You may want to order additional resources for subject that are of great interest to you. In some specialty areas for example counseling the course designer may require additional titles as course requirements, much as any professor would do in a campus environment. In any case all this is known before you decide to invest in a particular course of study.
Now as to the mine field of theological disputation. Our course designers create all the links based on course perspective and the actual word by word text of the lecturers. They are naturally going to link to compatible resources to the points of the lecture. Choose a course with professors with whom you agree and there will be very little to dispute with the attendant links.
Our goal is to offer multiple courses from various theological perspectives. For those who desire it, there will also be courses offered that highlight multiple perspectives from adherents to those respective positions. We are facilitating the learning process, not embracing a single viewpoint.The links always go to background and support material for the current course perspective.
A good start on tagging/linking would be what constitutes the Scholar's Library in L5 (Bronze?). Many seminaries require at least Scholar's/Bronze as the base Logos package for seminary-level courses (if they purchase higher, then great).
That would be the ideal starting point on tagging/linking resources. Most participants "should" have at least all the books in that collection if they're wanting to go full-fledged into seminary-level material.
Ah, gee ! The courses I teach are quiet for the summer, I saw this potentially meaty learning opportunity pushed on the Logos software home page, and I got excited about some deeper learning now that the summer is relatively free. Then, what ....? I have the same questions as Erwin Stull plus is there a timeline when this becomes available ?
Bob Kostrubanic
Our goal is to offer multiple courses from various theological perspectives.
Erwin, Thanks for your questions. I will give you some answers. Logos Mobile Ed is not an online course but rather a downloadable "curriculum resource," like a book. The difference is that this particular kind of "book" has the ability to initiate a video stream and also features on screen testing that accepts reader input. This new type of curriculum resource has attached, a Faithlife community note shared with everybody else who acquires the resource. The course becomes a permanent addition to your library. There is no need to ever forget this course content. It never goes away. It is searchable and links to the rest of your library. Initially courses will be seminary level courses targeted at people who's circumstances make it impractical or impossible to obtain a traditional seminary education. Could the courses be used for small groups or church institutes? Sure, why not? The courses will sell like Logos books as singles or bundles. There are about 100 courses in design and production. The prices are based on our cost to produce the product, but like all Logos products they represent a major savings over their traditional product format and they represent a new level of convenience and interactivity within the Logos ecosystem. When we make make the pre-publication offer there will be a web page with sample videos that illustrate the product. While we have accepted the role of curriculum designers, we have not become a degree granting institution. During the the past year of production word of our project has drifted into academic arena to the extent that several schools have asked us about incorporating these courses into their own distance ed programs. This will probably happen, offering people a path toward degree programs. Each school could add their own additional requirements and assignments. Our own focus is on education for people who just want or need to learn more. While our suggested course plans might look like an M. Div.program, they are not degree programs but rather opportunities to learn seminary/Bible college level materials in the Logos environment.
Thanks Dale; This is what I was looking for, and your answers have wet my appetite. I am looking forward to investigating the courses further once the project progresses.
Ah, the timeline. Well I don't want to avoid the question but I must be somewhat vague. There are some final details in the interface programming to make sure you can easily find the course ware without having to search for it among hundreds or in come cases thousands of books in your library. This means we can't deliver it before it interface features are ready for inclusion in a scheduled software update, which means sometime this summer. The courses themselves are all different states of completion as will be the case for the next year or two as we expand our list. I am very excited. I have just been watching an OT lecture by Dr. Mark Futato of Reformed Theological Seminary. It is great. In a best case scenario I think we could be delivering courses at the end of July. After that we can add courses every month just like books. We have been recording professors and designing courses for nearly a year already. We are also doing a new Morris Proctor academic course in the Mobile Ed format and we are coming out with a totally new Learn to Use Greek and Hebrew set with many new features. There is a lot going on around here.
Glad to know that I am not that far behind the curve on this new venture?
Cost will be an issue. I am just about maxed out. I truly appreciate Logos, the program and the company, but about all I can afford now from time to time is a community pricing offer that I am interested in. Many of us do not get paid like a TV evangelist.
Sounds like my situation. I could not pastor this church if I were not retired military as well as drawing Social Security; the funds I get from the church hardly cover my gas expense. I purchase and purchase the things I use and use, but eventually must just use what I have already purchased. Hopefully at some point we will be able to move into more of these materials; the need for them is absolutely massive.
Cost: As I stated in an earlier response, we base our prices on our cost to produce the product. We are not focused on making the most affordable product but rather the best solution. That being said we know that the cost of education has risen in the past few years to the point at which people are searching for alternatives. There are a lot of free education opportunities on the internet but it is hard to distinguish between good and bad programs and none of them are connected to essential library resources. That’s where Logos Mobile Education comes in.
Here is our formula for maximum reduction in the cost of a first class education in Biblical studies.
Will you offer payment plans as well? It might be a good option for those wishing to take some solid classes but need a more flexible way to pay for them.
This is basically what I do for college now. I charge each semester on a CC and pay it off using my WeatherBug paychecks. I haven't received any scholarships, so I'm just handling it this way. God is providing and giving me a solid education and a job to help pay for it, so I'm happy.
Payment Plans -- We have not given that any discussion at all. I will look into that. Thanks.
There are a lot of free education opportunities on the internet but it is hard to distinguish between good and bad programs
This is why we have accreditation agencies. I am really excited about Logos Mobile Education from what I have heard so far. However, if anyone is looking to be employed in any type of ministry from teaching to pastoring, most opportunities are going to require an accredited degree. I totally understand the concept of learning for the sake or learning, or learning for the sake of better ministry. However, when I was considering options for doctoral work years ago, I considered a distance school because it was cheap and I could stay in my place of ministry. It was also very credible, but not accredited by ATS or SACS. One of my M.Div. professors gave me great advice: "If you are going to do the work, you need to get credit for it."
I read Dale's earlier statement that schools were asking about partnering with Logos to offer credit for these courses. I really hope this happens and quickly. If these classes truly are Master's level courses, then people need to get Master's credit for them. Credit they can use toward degrees that will give them credentials to take advantage of ministry opportunities. For those individuals not seeking an type of vocational service this is not an issue, but for everyone else I would urge you to think about building up credentials that will be recognized by your future employers.
This is really exciting and I am looking forward to seeing it come to fruition!
I read Dale's earlier statement that schools were asking about partnering with Logos to offer credit for these courses. I really hope this happens and quickly.
"No credit" should be an option at a lower fee.
I agree. I would just like to see both options.
May I recommend a foundational course (maybe two) on
What Does the Bible say about Heaven and Hell?
Or Perhaps something more selective
What did Jesus about Heaven?
What did Jesus about Hell?
What did Jesus Say about Heaven?
What did Jesus Say about Hell?
