OT: Intriguing article on digital Bibles
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Super Tramp said:George Somsel said:
I'll ask a question open to response from anyone with first-hand knowledge.
I have first-hand knowledge of this little item; In Japan some of the statues of the saints (and Madonna) are created with oriental features and garb. I found it interesting and wonder why. I also knew a co-worker in the USA whose African Heritage Bible depicted a black Jesus with an afro. I imagine localization of religious trappings is a common practise.
That doesn't really answer my question. I was wondering whether the church has entered the entertainment field in South America and whether such has contributed to the popularity of the Pope there or whether the church maintains its traditional function.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Some more articles:
UK church replaces hymn books for iPads in UK’s first digital service
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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And another:
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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George Somsel said:
I was wondering whether the church has entered the entertainment field in South America and whether such has contributed to the popularity of the Pope there or whether the church maintains its traditional function.
Not in the entertainment business as far as I have heard from Chilean and Colombian friends.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Super Tramp said:
In Japan some of the statues of the saints (and Madonna) are created with oriental features and garb. I found it interesting and wonder why.
That's always been a cultural thing. Growing up in Southern California in the 60's, I had no idea that the Mother of Jesus was anything other than Hispanic.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:Super Tramp said:
In Japan some of the statues of the saints (and Madonna) are created with oriental features and garb. I found it interesting and wonder why.
That's always been a cultural thing. Growing up in Southern California in the 60's, I had no idea that the Mother of Jesus was anything other than Hispanic.
I spent two years on a fellowship in rural Guatemala among indigenous Guatemalans. By the time I left, I could have sworn she was Quiché. [:P]
~Butters [:)]
EDIT: and no, I don't mean an egg dish. LOL. [;)]
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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David Taylor Jr said:
Logos is too advanced for most users. They want a simple Bible with different translations and that is what YouVersion gives them. The advanced Bible Study User (scholarship) use the Logos app or similar apps, or people who want to go deeper than just reading.
I would agree in a way…. This is why I wish Logos made a super simple base collection that was $50, If they had a starter collection, yes for power users would complain about lack of features but a simple reader that allows people to get their foot in the door would be a bonus… Now I know that Logos allows anyone to download the program free of charge but other than on mobile, I am not aware of free resources Logos allows a user (yes there are numerous free resources a person can put through on to a new account but to have all of them in a ready made low cost account would be ideal).
-Dan
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Super Tramp said:Bill Coley said:
I get that some distractions cross the line (e,g, audio sources played sans hearing devices), but where is the line? What about the responsibility the "distracted" people to support the worship needs of those who allegedly "distract" them?
"Where is the line?" I am glad you believe there is a line.
conscious, consideration for our neighbors and for the practices and expectations of our congregation in communal worship is what I have thought to be the "line".
Super Tramp said:But if I visit a non-instrumental church I should not whip out my harmonica and play along in song service.
I usually attend non-instrumental congregations and I agree. However, even in an instrumental congregation I think it would be a bit risky play a harmonica in the communal worship assemble.
Super Tramp said:There is a line and when we start a question with "What's wrong with..." we probably already know the answer.
Once again I agree.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Super Tramp said:
I choose to attend a church where people dress to honour God. They respect their neighbours by participating in the service at the appropriate time and in the appropriate manner.
In order to define "the line" we need boundaries for standards such as dress that "honours" God (James 2.1-4) and worship participation that is "appropriate."
Accepting the line as determined by community standards will often produce good results, unless those community standards are sinful (the examples in my earlier post in this thread). And then the question becomes, where is THAT line!
If we take seriously the Apostle Paul's passion to be all things to all people in order to win some for Christ (1 Corinthians 9.19-23), it seems to me we have far better things to occupy our time than line drawing.
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Bill Coley said:
it seems to me we have far better things to occupy our time than line drawing.
“He drew a circle that shut me out-
Heretic , rebel, a thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle and took him In !
From the poem " Outwitted”-Dan
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Dan Francis said:Bill Coley said:
it seems to me we have far better things to occupy our time than line drawing.
“He drew a circle that shut me out-
Heretic , rebel, a thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle and took him In !
From the poem " Outwitted”-Dan
[Y]
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Dan Francis said:
This is why I wish Logos made a super simple base collection that was $50,
Catechism of the Catholic Church Collection
While a pretty small collection and aimed primarily at RCC this is more or less what I was asking for so good for Logos, and if a person adds in FaithLife resources one could have a pretty nice starting package. So Good for Logos.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
While a pretty small collection and aimed primarily at RCC this is more or less what I was asking for so good for Logos, and if a person adds in FaithLife resources one could have a pretty nice starting package. So Good for Logos.
Only major problem with that collection is that it has the Richard Challoner's revision of the Douay-Rheims Bible instead of the original version [1585 / 1609/10]
Now if all the other 'special interest groups' will also release $50 collections that allow the full study of and understanding of the group. [Y]
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Sleiman said:
Not a comprehensive list, but a sample of my search results....David Ames said:William Gabriel said:Butters said:Incidentally, papal infallibility is one of the most deeply misunderstood of the Church's teachings. Not appropriate to elaborate upon here, I suppose...but there are plenty of places to read about it elsewhere. I'd be glad to post up something if it's allowed.
~Butters
Yeah, I avoided that word--infallibility--on purpose. As you and MJ have indicated, there's some deeper stuff involved that we don't need to get into here. If you want to post a link to something, I'd be happy to peruse, but I don't want anyone killing themselves writing a dissertation.
Maybe hints to resources or suggested resources would help educate us to this situation?
Sleiman.
To not get this buried in a long OT-Thread, I tried to put your sample results into a Reading List, somewhat enhanced by what I found and what we typically see in suchg lists. Feel free to add further stuff and correct any blunders I may have made.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
To not get this buried in a long OT-Thread, I tried to put your sample results into a Reading List,
Thanks.
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Thank you NB, much appreciated.NB.Mick said:To not get this buried in a long OT-Thread, I tried to put your sample results into a Reading List, somewhat enhanced by what I found and what we typically see in suchg lists. Feel free to add further stuff and correct any blunders I may have made.
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You're welcome!
Have joy in the Lord!
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George Somsel said:Bruce Dunning said:Michael Childs said:
It should be a crime for a seminary to give an M.Div degree without requiring Greek and Hebrew, and not just the basic courses, but Greek and Hebrew exegesis courses as well.
If you went to Asbury in the 1970's, you took 6 hours of Greek that you could not count toward your M.Div. because you were supposed to know basic Greek grammar before you started. Now even Asbury has wimped out and lets them count those 6 hours of Greek as an elective toward their degree. I am most disappointed in them. Heretics!
That seems to be the trend these days in many schools. I think this may also be driven by economics.
No, it's driven by the inclusion of many "practical" courses which crowd out the meat of the curriculum. When I went to cemetery ALL those admitted had been Greek majors in college. We then had three more years of Greek pounded into our thick skulls full of mush by Dr. Bastiaan Van Elderen (When he wasn't talking about archaeology). Unfortunately, the Old Testament department wasn't so insistent on knowing the language well (which is why I went on to graduate school in OT). At the end of our captivity we had to take proficiency exams in both languages as well as an oral on general theological topics.
George, you are so right. The lack of a traditional theological education in most seminaries, especially requiring Biblical languages, is driven by so called "practical" courses crowding out the meat of the curriculum. I once heard a frustrated New Testament scholar, Dr. Joseph Wang, address his fellow faculty members, "We in the Impractical Ministries Department want to say..."
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George Somsel said:
When I went to cemetery ALL those admitted had been Greek majors in college.
And here I thought you overlapped the Domincans 1203-present ... when you say you're almost 39 you mean centuries??
Translation: Dominican "cemeteries" expect their students to have been philosophy majors. Hummmm .. Thomas Aquinas was a Dominican ... is that a coincidence?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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