Logos 6.0: What features do you want?
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George....we read and study The Bible....but we also are studying "Great Doctrines in The Bible". I am talking about being able to find something easily and quickly really.[;)]
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Graham Criddle said:Joshua Lieder said:
Graham...not everything is a topic though....still to be fair I will spend a little more time with it.
True - but most "doctrines" are (I haven't checked "each doctrine" but seems like the sort of things you would expect to find in the Topic Guide)
I wouldn't recommend you to try any specifically 'Catholic' topics. They're generally either non-existent, empty or just plain wrong.
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Hi fgh
fgh said:I wouldn't recommend you to try any specifically 'Catholic' topics. They're generally either non-existent, empty or just plain wrong.
Fair point - sorry about that.
I wonder whether this will change in the Logos product or whether this will be addressed in Verbum. I would assume it would be generic but it will be interesting to see.
Graham
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fgh said:
I wouldn't recommend you to try any specifically 'Catholic' topics. They're generally either non-existent, empty or just plain wrong.
So then the next version of the software, should have the topic guide, sermon starter guide,etc., tweaked to reflect the faith tradition of the various denominations. If I type in the command box and tell it to set Verbum to yes, the results on a topic like "Mass" or "Sacrament", should still pull from your library (the user has Platinum) + Verbum Capstone, but the hand edited summary that comes up should reflect that of the tradition of the adherents of the Faith which it appeals to. This requires a lot of coding, and close consultation with the scholars of that particular faith.
By the time Logos 6 is released, we will have an Adventist Base package.
I ran a sermon starter guide on the word "Sabbath". The synopsis that it gave is that the Sabbath was eventually changed to Sunday. Not a good strong selling point among Sabbath Keepers.
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Lynden Williams said:
I ran a sermon starter guide on the word "Sabbath". The synopsis that it gave is that the Sabbath was eventually changed to Sunday. Not a good strong selling point among Sabbath Keepers.
Although there is a history of referring to Sunday as the Sabbath, that has never actually been true. The Sabbath was and always will be Saturday. Note what Ignatius had to say regarding the matter:
9. If, then, those who had lived in antiquated practices came to newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath but living in accordance with the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him and his death (which some deny), the mystery through which we came to believe, and because of which we patiently endure, in order that we might be found to be disciples of Jesus Christ, our only teacher,
Epistle to the Magnesians 9
george
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Logos is indexing, so I cannot give the exact quote, but like fgh said, the LCV needs to be tweaked, and as more Base packages are designed around various Faiths, some statements, will have to move from the general Evangelical perspective which has served Logos and the customer base well up to this point, and begin specializing based on what base package you set it to.
I can hear the programmers groaning now. Fortunately, in the cyber world that we live in, the info can be sent electronically, to Logos.
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Lynden Williams said:
So then the next version of the software, should have the topic guide, sermon starter guide,etc., tweaked to reflect the faith tradition of the various denominations. If I type in the command box and tell it to set Verbum to yes, the results on a topic like "Mass" or "Sacrament", should still pull from your library (the user has Platinum) + Verbum Capstone, but the hand edited summary that comes up should reflect that of the tradition of the adherents of the Faith which it appeals to. This requires a lot of coding, and close consultation with the scholars of that particular faith.
That is not at all what I said (or want).
What comes up should be the same for all. The order it comes up in is already 'tweaked' by our prioritizations. No extra work needed in that respect.
What I'm talking about is that it is impossible to even run a Topic Guide for Papal Infallibility, or Transsubstantiation, or Dormition (or Theotokos or Consubstantiation, for that matter). Those topics simply don't exist. Perpetual Virginity exists, but comes up empty. And Immaculate Conception gives me something else (the birth of Jesus, instead of the conception of Mary). That's 'simply' a matter of adding a lot of new topics to the LCV, and then correctly tagging articles with those topics.
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Ditch reliance on Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) libraries, and recode the GUI to be truly cross-platform (GTk, Qt, others). This should further reduce the costs and risks associated with maintaining multiple code bases (i.e. MS Windows, Mac), and will be a significant step toward finally running Logos on Linux ...
(Even Netflix can be run on Linux now; not native code, it runs via Wine, but it _does_ run.)
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Rss Blog reader in Logos 6.0 http://community.logos.com/forums/t/70768.aspx
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Customizing the shortcut bar. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/74109.aspx
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Lynden Williams said:
Customizing the shortcut bar.
Do you really want to wait until L6 for that?[:O]
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Asked for this before, but begin the process of rewriting the software, so that when Logos 7 is released we will have the same UI, but it will be independent of WPF, .Net and all of the other stuff that handicaps the software.
To make 6.0 really fly, make 5.??? fly. Spend the next six months squashing every but that can be tracked and fixed, and optimizing the software. As new features are added they are optimized when it goes to gold.
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Lynden Williams said:
but it will be independent of WPF, .Net and all of the other stuff that handicaps the software.
The problem there is that if you do not use someone else's programming library then you need to reinvent the wheel and write your own programming library to do the same thing. [not sure exactly what they use those libraries for but part of it handles different computer configurations without the programmer knowing what computer the program will be running on] One "FIX" would be to write the entire program in native mode assembly language. That might make it say 100 times faster but would also take say 100 times longer to write it and then we might need a different version for each brand and model computer.
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Lynden Williams said:
so that when Logos 7 is released
SEVEN? We have yet to finalize our dream Logos six!
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Hopefully sooner than version 6 but...
Better reading progress indication.
When I'm reading a paperback I have an accurate sense of how long it is till then end of the chapter and so on. With Logos books it is hard to tell because of changing font sizes etc whether I am reading a heavyweight or a pamphlet. I think kindle are introducing something like a time to end of chapter feature?
I would suggest something like the auto bookmarks that appear as little lines in the scrollbar but one which is a different colour eg. green and indicates the end of the article/chapter. When hovered it would give you an indication in terms of time to get there. ie. 2000 words remaining in chapter, reading at 300wpm (as an average pastors reading speed?) 6mins to end of chapter.
Page numbers in the table of contents sidebar would be great too.
A similar feature for ipad.
Collections in Android.
Faster audio reading speed when I use read aloud. 2x is not quick enough for a busy person;)
Cheers,
John
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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I wonder about building on the faithlife / biblia foundation and going fully cloud? The speed of these sites means I'm always going there first before logos but I miss lots of features like the info pane, the popups etc. Even word studies and passage guide are on library.logos.com.
If those sites became the new logos 6 then it would be truly cross platform. Possibly even with offline mode like google docs in chrome?
That would make this linux user happy!
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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David Ames said:Lynden Williams said:
so that when Logos 7 is released
SEVEN? We have yet to finalize our dream Logos six!
Of course we do. We want one that is so fast that things appear even as we think about them and which automatically adds any new feature we might conjure up. It takes only 1 k of memory and fixes lunch and washes up afterwards. [;)]
george
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John Goodman said:
I would suggest something like the auto bookmarks that appear as little lines in the scrollbar but one which is a different colour eg. green and indicates the end of the article/chapter. When hovered it would give you an indication in terms of time to get there. ie. 2000 words remaining in chapter, reading at 300wpm (as an average pastors reading speed?) 6mins to end of chapter.
You just can't wait to finish? The pleasure of reading a book is in the process, not the completion. [8-|]
george
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John Goodman said:
I wonder about building on the faithlife / biblia foundation and going fully cloud? The speed of these sites means I'm always going there first before logos but I miss lots of features like the info pane, the popups etc. Even word studies and passage guide are on library.logos.com.
If those sites became the new logos 6 then it would be truly cross platform. Possibly even with offline mode like google docs in chrome?
That would make this linux user happy!
But it would make everyone else unhappy. [:(]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Of course we do. We want one that is so fast that things appear even as we think about them and which automatically adds any new feature we might conjure up. It takes only 1 k of memory and fixes lunch and washes up afterwards.
My wife Nina says she already does all that so I won't be upgrading to SEVEN.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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I would like to have a customizable exclusive front-page devotional page that changes depending upon the date.
More usable content on the homepage rather than dinky tiny blurbs would be nice.
Also, touch functionality that works for 8.x versions of Windows (yup broken record on that one...anyone remember phongraph records?)
How about a scripture line-by-line streamlined search for novices at a Bible Study who do not want everything on a passage but only Bible versions and selected commentaries without having to create a filter for it...built right into the application as a quick pulldown.
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I would like to talk about Logos 8. Should that be a separate thread?
On a serious note, when do you think Logos 6 will come out? I am guessing a 3-year time-frame, which would put it in the last quarter of 2015.
I would also expect it to be a move similar from v4 to v5: Similar interface but with lots of upgrades and new toys. I don't think we will see a major jump like v3 to v4 until Logos 7 comes out, probably in 2018. Just guessing...
Jerry
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JoshInRI said:
depending upon the date.
One other item on DATE is PLEASE, if the dead line is gone by then don't show us that we could have saved $50 but not we can not.
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How about the opton (in passage guide) to search via the the entire Logos database via the internet. Think of the sales this could bring and help us find out what is available. I just might purchase book x, which I did not care too much about.
Yes, reminiscing of the days of Libronix. [:)]
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None of the stuff from L3 that I wanted to be added to L4 or L5 have been included so far...I don't see why I should expect that to change in L6.
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David Paul said:
None of the stuff from L3 that I wanted to be added to L4 or L5 have been included so far...I don't see why I should expect that to change in L6.
Why not take time here to summarize the top three L3 features you would like to see in L6?
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Lynden Williams said:
Customizing the shortcut bar. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/74109.aspx
I forgot I started that thread till I saw this reminder. Yes, I still hope this happens. It's not a deal-breaker, but would sure help practical functionality.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!!
PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!
I want page numbers! I want the "original" published date (not Logos)! I want encyclopedia articles to be cited properly (with their author)! Etc.. [Y]
Logos is way too spotty on this. Some resources seem to work fine, others not so much. This is huge for seminary/academic work!
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Agreed. I'm treating my Logos library as a subset of a seminary library.
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Josh said:
PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!!
PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!
I want page numbers! I want the "original" published date (not Logos)! I want encyclopedia articles to be cited properly (with their author)! Etc..
Logos is way too spotty on this. Some resources seem to work fine, others not so much. This is huge for seminary/academic work!
I absolutely agree with this Josh. I am in seminary and use Logos every day, and I want to be as accurate as possible in my citations.
Also useful for seminary/academic work would be Hebrew and Greek vocabulary flashcards.
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Daniel Yoder said:
Also useful for seminary/academic work would be Hebrew and Greek vocabulary flashcards.
This is available in part at least. logos4:Help;ref=word
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Daniel Yoder said:
Also useful for seminary/academic work would be Hebrew and Greek vocabulary flashcards.
Logos 5 can print Word Lists in flashcard format. Front:
Back:
Thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/54036/394011.aspx#394011 has steps for importing Libronix 3 word lists into Logos 5 and 4. => http://www.logos.com/training/vocabularylists
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Lynden Williams said:Daniel Yoder said:
Also useful for seminary/academic work would be Hebrew and Greek vocabulary flashcards.
This is available in part at least. logos4:Help;ref=word
Thanks Lynden. I did not know about this feature. I will have to play around with it.
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I have one very very simple request, which is nevertheless unlikely to be met.
I want a simple keyboard shortcut to the command line, like Esc. That's it. I'm a BW power user, and rarely need my mouse, but Logos requires me to either mouse up to the line (which I usually have to do) or else Option-Command-L. That's hardly intuitive. It's no command-alt-delete, but still, it requires both hands and three fingers and is just a bit awkward, since the first two keys are next to each other.
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Ben said:
I have one very very simple request, which is nevertheless unlikely to be met.
I want a simple keyboard shortcut to the command line, like Esc. That's it. I'm a BW power user, and rarely need my mouse, but Logos requires me to either mouse up to the line (which I usually have to do) or else Option-Command-L. That's hardly intuitive. It's no command-alt-delete, but still, it requires both hands and three fingers and is just a bit awkward, since the first two keys are next to each other.
RATS !! [:D]
george
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Still would love to see the return of the original Sermon File Addin functionality. The PBB falls short of providing the functionality of the original.
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Josh said:
PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!!
PROPER CITATIONS!!!!!
I want page numbers! I want the "original" published date (not Logos)! I want encyclopedia articles to be cited properly (with their author)! Etc..
Logos is way too spotty on this. Some resources seem to work fine, others not so much. This is huge for seminary/academic work!
Yes, this has been something that has frustrated me too and my seminary days are long over.
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Practically everything I've been suggesting. :-) Continuing to tightly integrate the Logos Ecoystem would be good too.
Nathan Parker
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Yes, some trees and bushes and flowers would be nice.Nathan Parker said:Practically everything I've been suggesting. :-) Continuing to tightly integrate the Logos Ecoystem would be good too.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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http://community.logos.com/forums/p/76961/539937.aspx#539937 Build it to intereact with Windows Surface Pro. (Touch Friendly)
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Intelligent notes.
It would be helpful, if Logos would offer some sort of popup when I open book x and offer to open the corresponding note that I have created for that book. This would be an option that I have setup.
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I personally do not like this because of the amount of notes that I have. My note file is over 1 Gig in size, and this will cause L5 to be slower than what it is already for me.Lynden Williams said:It would be helpful, if Logos would offer some sort of popup when I open book x and offer to open the corresponding note that I have created for that book. This would be an option that I have setup.
Not only will size of my notes be an issue, the way I have my notes setup will is likely very different than the way you have yours setup. I have my notes organized by function - not book. For an example, I have year A devotional notes, year A worship with kids notes, year A biblical notes, Year B devotional notes, etc... So which group(s) of notes should it open? They all can be related to the same book.
One of the options settings, and it will need to be the default setting, will need to be 'don't use this function.'
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Fix the indexing problem. As a matter of fact, this should be fixed in 5.XXX as a top priority, before anything else.
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I want the "basic search" to work.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I can not read through the whole thread right now due to challenged eyesight but I would love to see comprehensive voice navigation.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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I would like an option for highlights to apply only to a saved layout. I would also like to be able to change the highlight color of notes. The current one is too light.
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Ed Wurth said:
I would like an option for highlights to apply only to a saved layout. I would also like to be able to change the highlight color of notes. The current one is too light.
Ed, you don't have to wait for Logos 6 [:)] you can change the colors and style of your highlights as you like. See wiki help here.
Bohuslav
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Just chatting with Logos a few days back, the workability of 'Basic Search' on George's computer is in Logos7, along with trees and bushes (and XJoshua's metadata).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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