NOW AVAILABLE: Lutheran Base Packages

Now available for purchase and immediate download—a new track of Logos 5 Base Packages, designed specifically for our Lutheran users!

You can see the whole lineup HERE (or simply visit: logos.com/lutheranbp).

Here are links to the individual product pages, which list the resources included in each one (brand new comparison charts are on the way soon):

The price points are same as the same-named Base Packages in our standard Logos track. For the next two months, these will be available at 15% OFF by using coupon code LUTHERANBP at checkout. Dynamic pricing also applies, for anyone who already owns some of the resources included in a particular base package. If you are on Academic pricing, the greater discount between Academic vs. Dynamic Pricing + Coupon Code will be honored. Please call us if you have any questions or issues.

There are a few resources that are still in production (marked with an * on the product page), which will download automatically as soon as they are complete.

If you currently have some of the unreleased products on pre-order or have bid on them using Community Pricing, check to see if upgrading to one of these Base Packages would give you either a better overall deal, or if you can snag additional resources for a minimal upgrade cost.

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Randy W. Sims

For the next two months, these will be available at 15% OFF by using coupon code LUTHERANBP at checkout.

Is this a fixed date? For all the new packages? I was told by sales earlier that there was not set expiration date and they were playing it by ear. I'm still deciding looking at these packages and haven't made a decision yet (both Anglican Platinum and Luther Gold have resources I'd like) but I would certainly like to postpone the purchase-if I could make a couple payments on my payment plan it would be much easier adding another package. I would feel much better knowing the expiration date of those 15% offs.

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580098#Comment_580098

For the next two months, these will be available at 15% OFF by using coupon code LUTHERANBP at checkout.

Is this a fixed date? For all the new packages? I was told by sales earlier that there was not set expiration date and they were playing it by ear. I'm still deciding looking at these packages and haven't made a decision yet (both Anglican Platinum and Luther Gold have resources I'd like) but I would certainly like to postpone the purchase-if I could make a couple payments on my payment plan it would be much easier adding another package. I would feel much better knowing the expiration date of those 15% offs.

Yes, each one will be promoted for two months. We'll have last-chance messaging a week or two before they expire.

Ken McGuire

I may give a more detailed review later, but the things that seem to be missing from a quick look are:

1) Information on WHICH edition/translation of the Book of Concord is included... In general, Logos marketing likes to give titles and not authors, which is quite confusing.

2) While the standard Bible translation for ELCA (NRSV) and LCMS (ESV) are included, that for WELS (NIV) is not. Can the base package at least include the RI's for this?

3) Luther's Works.... Shocked that it is not in Gold.

SDG

Ken McGuire

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580111#Comment_580111

I may give a more detailed review later, but the things that seem to be missing from a quick look are:

1) Information on WHICH edition/translation of the Book of Concord is included... In general, Logos marketing likes to give titles and not authors, which is quite confusing.

2) While the standard Bible translation for ELCA (NRSV) and LCMS (ESV) are included, that for WELS (NIV) is not. Can the base package at least include the RI's for this?

3) Luther's Works.... Shocked that it is not in Gold.

SDG

Ken McGuire

Ken,

Of course, most of this information will be spelled out in our forthcoming, new, shiny comparison charts. But for now, I can answer any questions you or others might have:

Regarding the Book of Concord specifically, we have included both the 1959 and 2000 editions from Fortress Press.

On the NIV, there are a number of international and otherwise restrictions. It is also not included in other Base Packages, as a result. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this causes, but it is available for download ($9.99) here.

On your last point, I can only say that we worked for months—and did everything within the realm of possibility—to get every Lutheran product in these base packages. Things can, and do change, and if there's ever ability to add more Lutheran content (or grow this Base Package track), we will immediately act upon it.

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580121#Comment_580121

Thank you for the quick response. And your answers were more or less what I expected. I suppose that I should look around your web site for the details, but I know I got my NIV RI's from the L4 minimal crossgrade, but the translation separately, like your link. Could not these RI's be included in at least some Lutheran Base packages, even in the translation could not?

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580124#Comment_580124

Thank you for the quick response. And your answers were more or less what I expected. I suppose that I should look around your web site for the details, but I know I got my NIV RI's from the L4 minimal crossgrade, but the translation separately, like your link. Could not these RI's be included in at least some Lutheran Base packages, even in the translation could not?

I'll have to look into that for future revisions/additions. I'm always open to workarounds to help our customers out.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580111#Comment_580111

In general, Logos marketing likes to give titles and not authors, which is quite confusing.

So it is.

Luther's Works.... Shocked that it is not in Gold.

I would have expected it to be in Starter, or at least Bronze. Like I said in the other thread, I don't blame Gabe, but I'm shocked Concordia of all publishers didn't play along. Never expected that. I could understand a new publisher being hesitant, but Concordia has worked with Logos for so long. They ought to be delighted over the idea of Lutheran base packages.

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580173#Comment_580173

I would have expected it to be in Starter, or at least Bronze. Like I said in the other thread, I don't blame Gabe, but I'm shocked Concordia of all publishers didn't play along. Never expected that. I could understand a new publisher being hesitant, but Concordia has worked with Logos for so long. They ought to be delighted over the idea of Lutheran base packages.

We in the LCMS sometimes have difficulty playing with others, for multiple historical reasons... It would go into a terrible blame game to talk about why, but Timothy Lull said that some of that was reason that the "Basic Theological Writings" includes no exegetical works, and I suspect that could be behind CPH's non-participation... Of course I have no real knowledge of the actual business dealings between CPH and Logos.

See http://www.cph.org/p-6903-the-essential-lutheran-library-standard-package.aspx? for what Concordia is marketing as a starter reading library (in print)... The current bible with study notes, the current explanation of the Small Catechism, a "readers edition" of the book of Concord, the current hymnal, and a few prayer books, a classic of LCMS identity (Walther's Law and Gospel), and some more modern works about our teaching. Something like this, expanded into the Logos toolset, and including similar items from outside the LCMS would be a starter package that I would love to see. Of course, this could get into icky control and rights issues...

Mikko Paavola

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580173#Comment_580173

Thank you for the new Lutheran Base Packages! I was just going to suggest that when I saw the Reformed and Anglican ones. Though, I'm also longing for the CPH resources, but I understand it's not up to Logos that they aren't included.

I counted that I have resources worht of $114 in Prepub that are included in the Lutheran Bronze and up, and if I add also those resources that I have in the Community Pricing bids it makes total of $230 (that is more than my personal upgrade price to the Lutheran Bronze). Should I cancel those Prepubs and CPs when I upgrade to a Lutheran PB or does the system make it automatically?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580188#Comment_580188

We in the LCMS sometimes have difficulty playing with others, for multiple historical reasons...

Sometimes, in software we just have to set aside our differences - well, except when SDA appears to be the only Millerites[:#]

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580194#Comment_580194

Thank you for the new Lutheran Base Packages! I was just going to suggest that when I saw the Reformed and Anglican ones. Though, I'm also longing for the CPH resources, but I understand it's not up to Logos that they aren't included.

I counted that I have resources worht of $114 in Prepub that are included in the Lutheran Bronze and up, and if I add also those resources that I have in the Community Pricing bids it makes total of $230 (that is more than my personal upgrade price to the Lutheran Bronze). Should I cancel those Prepubs and CPs when I upgrade to a Lutheran PB or does the system make it automatically?

If you want to upgrade and save, cancel your existing pre-orders and bids and then make the purchase. Dynamic pricing only applies to shipped/live items, so your dynamic upgrade price for a Lutheran BP will stay the same either way.

We'll be reaching out to people in your situation over the next few weeks to give them a chance to do the same before those other pre-pub and CP items ship individually.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580221#Comment_580221

We'll be reaching out to people in your situation over the next few weeks to give them a chance to do the same before those other pre-pub and CP items ship individually.

Is there a list handy at the moment?

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580263#Comment_580263

We'll be reaching out to people in your situation over the next few weeks to give them a chance to do the same before those other pre-pub and CP items ship individually.

Is there a list handy at the moment?

This should be everything still on Pre-Publication or Community Pricing that is included in the Lutheran Base Packages (at some level). We will be contacting those who bid/pre-ordered any of the following, giving them a chance to upgrade (and likely save) by getting a full Lutheran Base Package instead.

25401     John Laurence von Mosheim Collection (7 vols.)
28573     Milton Valentine Theological Studies Collection (5 vols.)
31627     T&T Clark Lutheran Studies Collection
33782     Elements of Dogmatic History
33786     System of the Christian Certainty
33936     Select Works of George Henry Gerberding (3 vols.)
33984     Church History (3 vols.)
34154     Lutheran Hymns and Prayer Books (4 vols.)
34155     The Lutheran Commentary (12 vols.)
34156     The Groundwork of a System of Evangelical Lutheran Theology
34159     The Lutheran Cyclopedia
34177     Select Works of Franklin Weidner (3 vols.)
34181     Lutheran History Collection (4 vols.)
34184     Select Works of Franz Delitzsch (2 vols.)
35403     Charles Porterfield Krauth Collection (6 vols.)
35479     Hours of Spiritual Refreshment
35483     Gerhard's Sacred Meditations
36278     Select Works of Jaroslav Pelikan (2 vols.)
36286     True Christianity
36287     The Philosophy of History
36290     Select Studies in Martin Luther's Life and Influence, Part 1 (15 vols.)
36291     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence, Part 2 (14 vols.)
36300     Lutheran Confessional Studies Collection (6 vols.)
36301     Select Works of August Hermann Francke (3 vols.)
36303     System of Christian Ethics
36304     The Articles of Faith of the Holy Evangelical Church: Forty Sermons
36305     The Bible and Astronomy: An Exposition of the Biblical Cosmology
36382     Lutheran Comparative Religious Studies (3 vols.)
36424     Lutheran Liturgical Studies Collection (6 vols.)
38269     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence (29 vols.)

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580267#Comment_580267

Gabe, can anything be done for people who have preordered some/all of these and purchased a base package? That might be a mess of refunds for customer service once the prepubs are billed and no books download?

Randy W. Sims

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580293#Comment_580293

Gabe, can anything be done for people who have preordered some/all of these and purchased a base package? That might be a mess of refunds for customer service once the prepubs are billed and no books download?

I talked to several people at Logos who said that would not happen. If you have a preorder reserved and then buy a package containing that resource, then when the preorder is processed it will not charge you. I talked to someone in CS who told me that and then put me through to someone in Products who confirmed it. Is that not true?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580298#Comment_580298

I talked to someone in CS who told me that and then put me through to someone in Products who confirmed it. Is that not true?

That's how it's worked before for me ... I was not charged a second time.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580267#Comment_580267

This should be everything still on Pre-Publication or Community Pricing that is included in the Lutheran Base Packages (at some level). We will be contacting those who bid/pre-ordered any of the following, giving them a chance to upgrade (and likely save) by getting a full Lutheran Base Package instead.

Thanks, Gabe. I only had one of these, but it's nice to know I saved myself another $35.

Mikko Paavola

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580267#Comment_580267

34181 Lutheran History Collection (4 vols.)
34184 Select Works of Franz Delitzsch (2 vols.)

At least these are already delivered. I have them in my library.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580425#Comment_580425

34181 Lutheran History Collection (4 vols.)
34184 Select Works of Franz Delitzsch (2 vols.)

At least these are already delivered. I have them in my library.

33984 Church History (3 vols.)

This one has also is no longer on pre-pub but is live. I have it in my library.

Appreciate the work in compiling the list Gabe.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580437#Comment_580437

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580541#Comment_580541

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

From another thread:

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible (3 vols.)
Classic Studies on the Scottish Church History (11 vols.)
Classic Studies on John Knox (15 vols.)
Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.)
The Works of Charles Hodge (29 vols.)
Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.) by Vos

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580597#Comment_580597

Mark, don't we get charged twice if we bought a package that contains a unreleased pre-pub in one package.. and the second package also contain the same unreleased pre-pub?

I don't think they system knows not to charge twice for the pre-pub resources in 2 different packages..

I'm not sure if I can explain myself clearly..

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580612#Comment_580612

Mark, don't we get charged twice if we bought a package that contains a unreleased pre-pub in one package.. and the second package also contain the same unreleased pre-pub?

I don't think they system knows not to charge twice for the pre-pub resources in 2 different packages..

I'm not sure if I can explain myself clearly.

You did explain yourself clearly, but I don't think your supposition is correct (though I can't be 100% sure). The reason I think that we don't get charged twice for the same pre-pub is because:

Most of the pre-pubs in these packages are for resources that are ready, even though the prepub hasn't shipped.
Even if they weren't, the pricing system cares only about licences, not shipped copies. So long as the purchase unlocks the licence (which it does), then should be taken into consideration.

So, for me, the unavailable pre-pubs in Lutheran Gold are greyed out, showing my purchase is being taken into consideration:

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580612#Comment_580612

If you buy them at the same time, you will pay twice. You need to buy one package before the other.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580643#Comment_580643

Yes fgh that is true even over the phone as my sales person discovered.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580643#Comment_580643

If you buy them at the same time, you will pay twice. You need to buy one package before the other.

Yes, that's true. But it's true of any resource, not just unpublished resources.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580655#Comment_580655

say I have purchase the SDA Silver package that's still on pre-pub that contains pre-pubs, THEN I buy Anglican Diamond that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver's pre-pubs..., THEN I purchase Lutheran Gold that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver & Anglican Diamond ..

I'm worried the system will charge me 3 times and my dynamic won't even work at all...

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580687#Comment_580687

say I have purchase the SDA Silver package that's still on pre-pub that contains pre-pubs, THEN I buy Anglican Diamond that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver's pre-pubs..., THEN I purchase Lutheran Gold that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver & Anglican Diamond ..

I'm worried the system will charge me 3 times and my dynamic won't even work at all...

Cancel SDA Silver prepub. Then buy each of the live packages in separate transactions. Your dynamic pricing will adjust accordingly for un-purchased packages. Finally put the SDA silver pre-pub on pre-pub last. This should ensure you pay the lowest price.

I am working with my rep to add a couple of these packages to my payment plan and he said he will process each separately to my payment plan so I am not charged twice for anything.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580740#Comment_580740

Cancel SDA Silver prepub. Then buy each of the live packages in separate transactions. Your dynamic pricing will adjust accordingly for un-purchased packages. Finally put the SDA silver pre-pub on pre-pub last. This should ensure you pay the lowest price.

This.

If you order a pre-pub, it's not going to impact the pricing of anything else (not least because you haven't paid for it). But if you order each product separately, and order the pre-pub last, you'll be OK. Remember that the SDA base package is the only prepub that even offers dynamic pricing.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580743#Comment_580743

I don't think the system read the pre-pubs dynamically well enough...

I'm not sure about this, but, Anglican Diamond contains some pre-pubs that are also in Lutheran Gold.. and the system doesn't read it well. Why? Because when I purchased Anglican Diamond for $1500, the price of Lutheran Gold only went down $20ish .. (I don't believe it is correct, but I might be wrong)

What's worse, I think it happened with Reformed Platinum too.. (its like a bad chain-effect)

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580746#Comment_580746

when I purchased Anglican Diamond for $1500, the price of Lutheran Gold only went down $20ish .. (I don't believe it is correct, but I might be wrong)

There's very little overlap between the two, so I wouldn't expect the price to drop hardly at all. Remember you're only paying about $2/volume in base packages,* so by this calculation, you'd expect the overlap for you to be about 10 volumes. Do you think it's more than that? (By overlap for you, I mean the resources in both packages that you didn't previously own.)

* Discounts are calculated by value, not by count, so this is an inaccurate science unless you're prepared to add up the value of every resource.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580749#Comment_580749

are you sure just 10 volumes that overlap between Anglican & Lutheran? I don't know Mark, it seems like it should be more than 10 I think.. but I'm not sure. $20 just doesn't seem right for me.

I think these product managers should've created the "what's new to you" page and all like Logos 5 upgrade page thingy BEFORE they roll out the sale to avoid all these confusions.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580754#Comment_580754

are you sure just 10 volumes that overlap between Anglican & Lutheran?

No, I'm not saying that. There are dozens and dozens that overlap. But most of the overlapping ones you presumably already owned prior to buying either Anglican or Lutheran (probably because you owned another base package). Lutheran would only reduce in price for volumes that overlapped and you didn't previously own. I've obviously got no way of knowing how many volumes that was for you, though in my case the overlap was precisely zero (I asked my rep for a 'new to me' list for Lutheran Gold and Anglican Diamond, and there was no overlap).

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580762#Comment_580762

mike: Have you considered asking your salesman to check it out? OR customer service?

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580267#Comment_580267

Peace, Gabe! *smile* Well-Done! You've worked hard! And very wonderfully!

Also, just for the "fun of it" I put one of those numbers into the Logos.com search (find!) box and was so very pleasantly surprised (almost!) that the number took me to the correct resource!

Very clever! Haven't really noticed that before! Thanks again! God Bless You!

We'll be reaching out to people in your situation over the next few weeks to give them a chance to do the same before those other pre-pub and CP items ship individually.

Is there a list handy at the moment?

This should be everything still on Pre-Publication or Community Pricing that is included in the Lutheran Base Packages (at some level). We will be contacting those who bid/pre-ordered any of the following, giving them a chance to upgrade (and likely save) by getting a full Lutheran Base Package instead.

25401     John Laurence von Mosheim Collection (7 vols.)
28573     Milton Valentine Theological Studies Collection (5 vols.)
31627     T&T Clark Lutheran Studies Collection
33782     Elements of Dogmatic History
33786     System of the Christian Certainty
33936     Select Works of George Henry Gerberding (3 vols.)
33984     Church History (3 vols.)
34154     Lutheran Hymns and Prayer Books (4 vols.)
34155     The Lutheran Commentary (12 vols.)
34156     The Groundwork of a System of Evangelical Lutheran Theology
34159     The Lutheran Cyclopedia
34177     Select Works of Franklin Weidner (3 vols.)
34181     Lutheran History Collection (4 vols.)
34184     Select Works of Franz Delitzsch (2 vols.)
35403     Charles Porterfield Krauth Collection (6 vols.)
35479     Hours of Spiritual Refreshment
35483     Gerhard's Sacred Meditations
36278     Select Works of Jaroslav Pelikan (2 vols.)
36286     True Christianity
36287     The Philosophy of History
36290     Select Studies in Martin Luther's Life and Influence, Part 1 (15 vols.)
36291     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence, Part 2 (14 vols.)
36300     Lutheran Confessional Studies Collection (6 vols.)
36301     Select Works of August Hermann Francke (3 vols.)
36303     System of Christian Ethics
36304     The Articles of Faith of the Holy Evangelical Church: Forty Sermons
36305     The Bible and Astronomy: An Exposition of the Biblical Cosmology
36382     Lutheran Comparative Religious Studies (3 vols.)
36424     Lutheran Liturgical Studies Collection (6 vols.)
38269     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence (29 vols.)

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580921#Comment_580921

why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580973#Comment_580973

why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

Editted: The combination of posts from a Logos employee and from a Logos user led me to believe that negotiations with Concordia proved to be a problem.

Alex Bui

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580973#Comment_580973

why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

I have the same question. I hope other publishers work with Logos to bring in more Lutheran resources so we will have the Lutheran Platinum Package.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580597#Comment_580597

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

From another thread:

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible (3 vols.)

Classic Studies on the Scottish Church History (11 vols.)

Classic Studies on John Knox (15 vols.)

Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.)

The Works of Charles Hodge (29 vols.)

Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.) by Vos

Thanks!

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/580981#Comment_580981

The combination of posts from a Logos employee and from a Logos user led me to believe that Concordia proved to be a problem. As the user said "we LCMS don't play well together" - or something to that effect. My new ELCA minister daughter-in-law laughingly confirmed that over lunch today.

I too grinned when I read his remarks. While "LCMS don't play well with others" (my paraphrase of his statement), they are by far not the only group within Christianity that "doesn't play well with others."

For me, this is very sad. While we do have our differences, what binds us together is by far greater than our differences.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581471#Comment_581471

Peace and Joy and Blessings and Good Will to my Sisters and Brothers on these Logos Community Forums!

*smile*

My original post has been edited (favourably!) because the original purpose of my original post changed! For the vastly better, eh?!

*smile*

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581471#Comment_581471

post deleted

in deference to my brother Milford Charles Murphy

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581488#Comment_581488

Peace, Matthew! My Dear Brother! You are getting -- Praise God!!! -- wiser Every Day, eh?!

I Pray that Nina and your family would agree as they love you -- and you love them! -- Day by Day!

Thank you very much! Your concerns for the welfare of our Logos Forums are appreciated by me! *smile*

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581475#Comment_581475

The combination of posts from a Logos employee and from a Logos user led me to believe that Concordia proved to be a problem. As the user said "we LCMS don't play well together" - or something to that effect. My new ELCA minister daughter-in-law laughingly confirmed that over lunch today.

I too grinned when I read his remarks. While "LCMS don't play well with others" (my paraphrase of his statement), they are by far not the only sect of Christianity that "doesn't play well with others."

For me, this is very sad. While we do have our differences, what binds us together is by far greater than our differences.

Peace, Tom!                 Blessings and Every Good Wish Indeed!

                                 Just a little bit of a favour for you to consider, please ......

if you could "edit" your post and remove the connection of the LCMS away from the phrase .... "by far not the only sect of Christianity" ...

               I am a Pastoral Member of the LCMS, and I personally confess that I (by God's Grace!!!) ... that I believe in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church        ...........                        and shudder to think anyone might possibly think me to be a member of a sect ...

        Tom, I've observed your   (and MJ's!) posts for years now, and I know this is NOT what you believe or are saying ....    I think your keyboard just "got carried away" a little ...             *smile*

                    So, if you're able to edit, I'll try to be "in time" to edit this, my response to you, so that this could all be relegated to a distant memory,eh?!

My First Edit of this post:               What I would try to do is simply to remove the "content" of my reply to you.                *smile*

Hi Milford,

ugh . . . words . . . they can be so confusing.

I tend to use the first definition of sect

a religious group that is a smaller part of a larger group and whose members all share similar beliefs.

so often that I forgot the second definition of the word sect

a religious or political group that is connected to a larger group but that has beliefs that differ greatly from those of the main group

This being said,

I am sorry how my use of this word offended some people. This was not my intent.

And I want to say thank you for bringing this topic to my attention.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581526#Comment_581526

I do thank God for His Holy Spirit and for our mutual commitment in Christ to serve Him by loving and serving one another! *smile*

Blessings to Tom, and Matthew, and MJ, and Ken, and all! Indeed!

So many of the distinctions and distractions that separate us have never, ever come from the Holy Spirit -- the Sanctifier and the Encourager and the Prompter of the One Holy Catholic Christian and Apostolic Church, eh?! *smile*

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581471#Comment_581471

they are by far not the only group within Christianity that "doesn't play well with others."

Very true - there are a number of groups that I simply assume this is true of but there are occasionally surprises - often with identifiable history behind them.

Mikko Paavola

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581584#Comment_581584

I took a closer look on the Lutheran base packages and noticed that there's (at least) one more popular and important Lutheran resource missing: Lenski's commentaries (that are included in the regular Platinum thought).

(That doesn't affect me personally since I have it already, but many new users would like it.)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581822#Comment_581822

I took a closer look on the Lutheran base packages and noticed that there's (at least) one more popular and important Lutheran resource missing: Lenski's commentaries (that are included in the regular Platinum thought).

I noticed that too. Maybe Logos will include Lenski in a Lutheran Platinum package. [:)]

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581822#Comment_581822

I took a closer look on the Lutheran base packages and noticed that there's (at least) one more popular and important Lutheran resource missing: Lenski's commentaries

And The Hammer of God: Revised Edtion.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581924#Comment_581924

As well as Paul Among Jews and Gentiles and Other Essays.