Liturgical worship service suggestions?

Ok - fair warning... First post on the board

We have been raising funds for a new HD projection system and it finally was installed- on the Wednesday before Easter. The next day I decided to switch from Easy Worship 2009 to Proclaim- I really wanted to make good use of the system, and this product seemed the most capable, and it seemed to have matured A LOT since I last looked at it 3 yrs ago. Cool! Time to step up... Not the brightest move I've made as far as time to learn the system.

I'm the Sr. Pastor at an ELCA Lutheran church near Los Angeles, and am pretty techie... I sorted the software out pretty well on Friday and Saturday, except for Remote- our network had a secondary firewall that is protecting one of our network nodes... We got it running with a little Logitech hand-held remote- not pretty, but it worked.

Now, to my question... I've used projection systems almost exclusively for contemporary worship songs for a long time (I'm a guitarist, too), but sorting out how to effectively use Proclaim for a liturgical worship service (still using the LBW!) Is a challenge, and I haven't really seen it done. I have the announcement loop going well, and can use it in my message ok (really fun, actually), but using it in a way that isn't burdensome or obnoxious is a concern. I use it to announce hymns and special music, list the scripture, and page numbers in the text, and it put the Prayer of the Day up on the screen... What else do people use it for?

i tried using the on-screen Bible a bit, but just for single verses I want to focus on. i haven't sorted out Signals yet... Anyone using that in a liturgical setting?

Oh, and to report on my first full use with an iPad Air controlling things this morning- no problems at all!

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Ken McGuire

Welcome to the forum!

Trying new software for Easter Sunday - you are a very brave man... Holy Week must not have kept you busy enough? <g>

Anyway - I found out recently that my home congregation uses Proclaim for our worship services - replacing Power Point. As a worshiper and sometimes cantor, I can say nothing about ANY technical aspects of it, but we use it for all the texts of the liturgy - like a projected extensive service folder. Since we are LC-MS, we get it from Lutheran Service Builder, but www.sundaysandseasons.com can do similar... In addition a few videos have been inserted relating to mission, as well as some contemporary praise music...

As far as burdensome or obnoxious goes - we have person who regularly stands at the computer advancing the presentation, handling the sound board, as well as some video cameras for livestreaming the service. If that person knows what they are doing, it is neither burdensome or obnoxious to the community.

Personally I wouldn't mind if instead of putting the lessons up on the screen we would put a reference and/or graphic instead, but it has worked well for us. Our Senior pastor is planning on using more features during his preaching, but that hasn't really happened yet.

SDG

Ken McGuire

Mike Binks

Hi Lawrence

I would encourage you to try the 'On Screen Bible' (OSB) for longer readings.

In our groups I find that the concentration on the verse(s) being read helps no end.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589172#Comment_589172

Hi, Mike -

I am actually having some issues with the OSB and I'm not sure if it's my computer system, if I have something set up incorrectly in Proclaim, or if I just don't get the concept...

When I add an OSB slide to a presentation IN MY OFFICE ON MY DESKTOP and in Edit mode, press the play button, the slide just goes white and shows nothing. In On Screen mode it does the same. I've only used it to show single verses for emphasis. A bunch of white slides on my desktop computer isn't helpful.

In the sanctuary, running off OFF MY LAPTOP and projecting on the screen, OSB works properly. It shows the animations and text on-screen and on the projector.

On my iPad, which I'm using to control Proclaim, the OSB slide shows the reference clearly but the text is blurred... which means I have to have a printed copy of the text somewhere also and can't be fully sure what's on the screen - so it's not much help for that slide.

Computers:

My office desktop, used for putting it together - Core i7extreme 965, 3.2ghz, 24g RAM, NVidia GTX 580/2gb RAM set at 1920x1080 (drivers are up to date!), 512g SSD, 4TB storage, all water-cooled, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit - (built the system myself for HD video editing)

Church Laptop: Sony Vaio Core i7, 2.2ghz, 6g RAM, discrete video card, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit) - NVidia 540m/1gb RAM, connected via HDMI through a Roland VR-50HD switcher to the projector (Epson G6550WU)

iPad Air, 128 gb, Wi-Fi

I THINK I've got the tech part ok - but not sure what to do about OSB not displaying on my desktop, and it's annoying that it doesn't show live animations on the iPad.

Any advice?

Thanks so much!

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589110#Comment_589110

Thanks for the welcome, Ken!

Yes - I'm officially not right in the head for doing it on Easter Sunday... but since we'd been doing some special fund-raising for the equipment, I wanted to show off its capabilities a bit - and Proclaim seemed to be the best option. I've not been disappointed! Holy Week was incredibly busy, and with the install of the system delayed a bit, Thursday through Saturday were pretty much crunch time, non-stop. Not much sleep on Saturday night...

I've looked at Sundays and Seasons for several years and am probably about to go with it. By obnoxious and burdensome - I'm thinking about it from the congregation's point of view. Does EVERYTHING need to be on-screen? Confession, absolution, Kyrie, Hymn of Praise, Prayer of the Day, FULL scripture texts, (sermon illustrations of course!), Creeds, Hymns (just text, or music as well?), Prayers and petitions? That's a lot of stuff in peoples' faces... I also do a pre/post service set of announcement slides that rolls.

I'm thinking a kind of hybrid approach at this point - slides directing people to page numbers in the hymnal for order of service, putting the Prayer of the Day up on the screen as well as in the bulletin, as well as slides to mark what's going on in the service (choir music, offering, offertory) - kind of using slides to walk people through the service. Just putting up scripture references at this point, other than OSB to emphasize a particular verse or 2 in the sermon.

My plan is to have someone at the sound booth run Proclaim except for the sermon, at which I would control it. Doing it all by myself until I get the kinks out is not much fun... that's going away pretty quickly.

Any other suggestions - how do you use Proclaim in a liturgical service?

Larry

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589232#Comment_589232

When I add an OSB slide to a presentation IN MY OFFICE ON MY DESKTOP and in Edit mode, press the play button, the slide just goes white and shows nothing.

Hi L

This is what the OS Bible should look like in Edit mode

When you press the right facing arrow in the middle of the large panel that particular element should play from Opening to Verse

In Preview mode you should be able to watch the animation play through using either the big blue arrows or the arrow keys on your keyboard.

If you only have one monitor on your computer when you go 'ON AIR' the presentation should take over your monitor and you can control it with the keys on your keyboard. Not a great experience.

On my iPad, which I'm using to control Proclaim, the OSB slide shows the reference clearly but the text is blurred... which means I have to have a printed copy of the text somewhere also and can't be fully sure what's on the screen - so it's not much help for that slide.

You need a confidence monitor - there is usually an output to monitor plug on the back of the projector. A cheap second hand desktop monitor makes a great confidence monitor allowing you to actually see (and read) anything on the screen without turning to look at it. If the projector is inaccessible I understand that an Apple TV will allow you to do the equivalent thing remotely but I have not tried it.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589249#Comment_589249

Mike,

Ok - I hadn't connected this, but my desktop actually has what's in effect a second monitor - a Wacom 1200 DTZ-1200W Cintiq tablet, which lets me edit Adobe Photoshop and Premiere Pro documents on-screen. Very cool - but it hooks into a 2nd DVI port on my graphics card and is actually pretty helpful. Proclaim identifies it as monitor 2, and when I have it set to Confidence monitor, it shows the text of the slides, and shows the scripture text (not animation) on monitor 2. So - here's what I get with the different settings...

When I go on air with the settings Monitor 1 No signal (application), Monitor 2 slides, I get the projection on both monitors and a still a blank white screen for OSB on both. I also get the blank white screen in preview mode.

If I reverse it - On Air Monitor 1 slides (application) and Monitor 2 no signal, I get nothing on Monitor 2 at all, just a blank white screen on monitor 1 for OSB. Preview shows just a blank white slide.

If I set Monitor 1 to slides (application) and Monitor 2 to confidence, I get a blank white screen for OSB on monitor 1 and whatever title and text is on the slide and on OSB slides I do get just the scripture text. No graphics appear in this mode.

If I set Monitor 1 for slides (application) and monitor 2 to notes, I get just the titles of the slides and no OSB.

None of the settings show anything but a blank white slide on OSB for preview. I can't find a setting that shows the animation on this computer.

The animation DOES work on the church laptop/projector.

Any ideas on how to get to work on my desktop?

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589387#Comment_589387

Any ideas on how to get to work on my desktop?

Sorry Lawrence

I simply use my second monitor as an extension of my desktop - when I run Proclaim it uses the second monitor just as it would a projector.

If you plug a second monitor into the projector you will see what the projector projects.

If you plug a second monitor into your laptop at church you will have the option of using a 'Confidence Monitor' setting.

That said I have reached the limit of my knowledge of the OSB and must now defer to one of the Proclaim Staff... I am sure they will be along soon.

If you are impatient you could try uninstalling and reinstalling the program. You won't (shouldn't) loose anything because your presentations are sync to Logos servers.

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589239#Comment_589239

I've looked at Sundays and Seasons for several years and am probably about to go with it. By obnoxious and burdensome - I'm thinking about it from the congregation's point of view. Does EVERYTHING need to be on-screen? Confession, absolution, Kyrie, Hymn of Praise, Prayer of the Day, FULL scripture texts, (sermon illustrations of course!), Creeds, Hymns (just text, or music as well?), Prayers and petitions? That's a lot of stuff in peoples' faces... I also do a pre/post service set of announcement slides that rolls.

It is difficult if not impossible to give advice without knowing your exact circumstances. But I will offer this. Sundays and Seasons has many interesting options. In my experience (as chief worship planner for a LCMC congregation a few years back) some options were not appropriate for my congregation, and so read it with discretion - prayerfully considering what it is your people need to say to God. In addition, all those "interesting" options may be intellectually interesting, but it is possible to have so much variety that it gets in the way of prayer too. When I was in school someone complained about our fancy worship by saying that it assumes that we can read, which leaves out our young, our old who cannot see clearly, as well as those who are unfortunately functionally illiterate - all of whom belong to the people of God, and so some caution is advised.

My current congregation does put every text on screen. It is a lot of text in our faces, but the way our projection system works, it can be both easily seen when we want/need, as well as kind of just sit there like a banner when we do not. It does require an attentive person to be managing the presentation during the service...

When I was doing it at my old congregation, it was a start up that didn't have hymnals at the beginning, and so I put up as much as made sense to me. Since I can read music, I put up the music when it would be legible, and rights permitted it. But I only put of biblical references or pictures related to readings, so we would actually LISTEN to the word. Again, what exactly you use needs to be considered pastorally. Not all places would appreciate the Easter Message being announced by Legos like the graphic from the Brick Bible that I used one Easter - and my current avatar when projected during a Palm/Passion Sunday sermon was a bit of a distraction from what Pastor was saying... But I thought that using a graphic instead of listing the text (which is being read) is a way to reach visual learners and could add to the service.

Extended prayer that the pastor makes I have never really seen on screen. Where I made them, I got very sparse during the center of the communion rite itself. But again, this can vary...

SDG

Ken McGuire

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589503#Comment_589503

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Ken,

You're hitting on where I am in consideration of what to do. I DID just get a Sundaysandseason.com membership yesterday - my worship board authorized it a couple of years ago and we didn't really have a use for it - until now. So I have that resource.

I'm concerned about the system being a distraction rather than an aid as well. I am going to try a few things out to judge their response - which has been overwhelmingly positive - I even got applause in the council meeting last night over this... I think that's a first in 31 years of ministry - and a LOT of the credit goes to Proclaim. Ok, a little to me... just a little. Ok, not much - mostly, as you say, SDG.

I still have to explore Sundays and seasons a bit more. I'm going to add things in slowly - I think I will try the OSB this week, and will add in the creed, a response slide for prayers, and probably the Lord's Prayer. I also want a few static slides to be up during communion. Not sure what yet.

I really appreciate your response!

Larry

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589453#Comment_589453

Thanks, Mike -

Sorry to push you to the limits... although from what I see, you're an amazing resource for Proclaim users - thanks so much for helping!

I was reading a proclaim wiki that someone put up on the Logos site in 2012 I think - here's the link:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42912/360663.aspx#360663

One line of note to me under the "Nifty Tips and Shortcuts" section is this:

Your first time going ‘On Air’ with dual monitors(projector) you will have to drag the presentation window to the other screen and click on ‘Full Screen’.

That's exactly how I use Adobe Photoshop and Premiere Pro with my Cintiq monitor/tablet - I drag something over to that monitor - but I don't see how to drag ANYTHING over to it from Proclaim. I can drag the whole Proclaim program over, but that doesn't help.

Again - the software works correctly on my church laptop/sanctuary projector system - just trying to get it working on my desktop.

Thanks all,

Larry

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589512#Comment_589512

I was reading a proclaim wiki that someone put up on the Logos site in 2012 I think - here's the link:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42912/360663.aspx#360663

One line of note to me under the "Nifty Tips and Shortcuts" section is this:

Your first time going ‘On Air’ with dual monitors(projector) you will have to drag the presentation window to the other screen and click on ‘Full Screen’.

No problem Lawrence I was reading 1 Thessalonians 5:21 today as part of a funeral text,

"test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good." and I guess conversely discard that which is untrue?

That advice does not fall within my experience.

That said it did remind me to suggest you have a play with these settings

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589606#Comment_589606

Thanks for the screenshot, Mike -

I have been playing with that setting, and I can't get it to show what's showing on your monitor setup. I can make Proclaim show:

1) Slides (application)

2) No Signal

... but not what you have. When I select Slides for monitor 1, it always shows up as 1) Slides (application), so I can't set it like you have it - must be something odd with my display setup - or maybe because I'm not using a Mac... Oh, well - it works in the sanctuary, that's the main thing.

Thanks for your help!

Larry

Murray W

Hi Lawrence,

I'm using Proclaim in a liturgical setting and it has some great uses, but also some pretty wearisome limitations. We're currently in a trial period of the software … and I'm torn whether to continue using it or not.

The benefits for us are that different people can collaborate in creating the service: person conducting the liturgy, person choosing the songs, preacher, pray-er… if needs be.

The downsides are the rather shambolic feel to media and slide management, and the lack of text display options. For liturgy that isn't entirely led from the front, something as simple as being unable to apply a colour to congregational responses makes it harder for congregations to follow (compare the legibility of text in Proclaim (all white) and ProPresenter (white and yellow) below:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u610z17ymxczjy3/Screenshot 2014-04-30 09.16.44.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz7mtniuuaqcdgi/Screenshot 2014-04-30 09.19.13.png

We have been trialling using Proclaim to show the text of Scripture readings on-screen. We print our weekly readings in the Bulletin so that people take them home with them, and I'm trying to work out whether we should display them on-screen as well, or direct people to the Bulletin to re-inforce the fact that they are there for them. Not sure on that one yet. The lack of an Anglicized NRSV in Logos doesn't help matters.

We play some songs as videos with words embedded, and that seems to work fine once we get the videos uploaded. It seems to take an eternity for them to upload and we often get failures on upload, but according to Proclaim technical support, the errors are related to an Apple system problem.

When you were controlling with the Air, did you have any lag in changing slides? And did you use transitions? I like the transitions but they are a bit slow for my liking.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589700#Comment_589700

Hi, Murray- thanks so much for popping into the thread. We liturgical folk need to collaborate on this stuff!

On the uploading video issue, is there some way the video can be run locally from the computer in the sanctuary? I thought I had read that somewhere. If you don't have a pretty robust wifi network in the sanctuary, it could get a little sketchy. We have 10mbs up and down, and that seems pretty ok.

i just use the basic transition at this point, so I haven't even played with the different transitions. I'm concerned that too much dazzle-dazzle will be distracting. I will look at them, though.

I HAD an iPad4 but I've never felt that the wifi was great with it. It worked ok, but the range was iffy. That, and the weight difference, were primary reasons for trading in the 4 on the Air. The wifi is much more stable - at least it seems so to me. We're using a dual range Belkin router with the iPad locked in on the 5ghz band. Seems the best. We have a pretty big sanctuary and I had three bars in the whole place.

I noticed a slight lag in slide transitions - maybe 2 or three words worth, and it was easy to get a smooth rhythm going that is seamless to the congregation.

We do a responsive psalm reading every week, and I have wondered about having the congregation verses bold or in another color. I was thinking of putting the psalm text, formatted as we want it, onto a song slide, but I think that strips off the formatting as well.

people tell me they most enjoy the announcement slides and my use of images in the sermon. For example, I quoted a story by Garrison Keillor on Sunday, and threw a photo of him up on the screen... Easy! And people loved it. It's fun sorting this stuff out, and proclaim seems the best of the products out there as far as I can tell, even with some features not yet implemented.

Larry

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589781#Comment_589781

On the uploading video issue, is there some way the video can be run locally from the computer in the sanctuary? I thought I had read that somewhere. If you don't have a pretty robust wifi network in the sanctuary, it could get a little sketchy. We have 10mbs up and down, and that seems pretty ok.

Hi Lawrence

If you don't want to sync a video, or want to take the video to the church computer separately you can add it to your service using the file menu.

When you 'Open' the selected file you will be given these options.

Choose 'Local to this computer only' and the video will run directly from your sanctuary machine.

Proclaim does not need the internet to run the basic functions of presenting providing the presentation has been fully synced (files 'Local to this computer' have to be actually on the computer).

Proclaim does need the internet for Signals, Some methods of Remote Control, Steaming Videos from online sources.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589796#Comment_589796

Thanks, Mike - that's really helpful!

I would imagine that large-ish video files SHOULDN'T be sync'd to Proclaim, but rather SHOULD be run from the local PC - is that right? Not because of lack of internet, but just for smoothness and speed - right? I haven't tried this yet, but it WILL be something that I use.

Larry

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589874#Comment_589874

I would imagine that large-ish video files

There is a size limit to uploaded videos

SHOULDN'T be sync'd to Proclaim, but rather SHOULD be run from the local PC - is that right?

Not really - a synced video is synced to your machine - once it has been synced it is on your machine and the internet connection is irrelevant.

Not because of lack of internet, but just for smoothness and speed - right?

Illogical - as far as my mind works :-)

I haven't tried this yet, but it WILL be something that I use.

Have fun.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590014#Comment_590014

Ah - that's the bit I didn't know - that the sync'd video is sync'd to the computer. The internet connection is only relevant as it affects how long it will take to sync.

And I AM having fun!

Larry[:)]

Todd Frusti

Now, to my question... I've used projection systems almost exclusively for contemporary worship songs for a long time (I'm a guitarist, too), but sorting out how to effectively use Proclaim for a liturgical worship service (still using the LBW!) Is a challenge, and I haven't really seen it done. I have the announcement loop going well, and can use it in my message ok (really fun, actually), but using it in a way that isn't burdensome or obnoxious is a concern. I use it to announce hymns and special music, list the scripture, and page numbers in the text, and it put the Prayer of the Day up on the screen... What else do people use it for?

I'm serving an LCMS congregation where one of our three weekend services is traditional/liturgical/hymnal. For about six years we've included the entire liturgy on-screen with a positive response from the pews. One of our unexpected praises came from elderly members who have embraced the screens because they are easier to read than the hymnals.

Proclaim seems to work very well for those times when I only use certain stanzas from a hymn as well. In this regard, it's quite a bit more convenient than the previous worship software we had been using.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590113#Comment_590113

One of our unexpected praises came from elderly members who have embraced the screens because they are easier to read than the hymnals.

Indeed Todd

People tend to think of these systems as being new and trendy for the new and trendy.

Try taking a service in a residential care home and they will love you for it.

Stiff arthritic fingers don't have to fiddle with cigarette paper hymnals.

Poor hearing doesn't have to make out every word.

Failing eyes don't have to focus on tiny print.

The leader doesn't have to worry about large print editions or printouts.

On the whole these systems are marketed to the wrong people.

As an aside

and talking about liturgy...

Whenever I go to an Anglican service I find myself distracted (beyond focusing on the liturgy) by the effort of finding my way through the printed orders.

In my own denomination I have struggled to find the 'best' time to look up the next hymn. Ruins the last hymn if you do it immediately after it. Doesn't give time to focus if you do it immediately before it is to be sung.

Distractions distractions - the devil finds a way into everything.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590113#Comment_590113

Todd-

Thanks for replying - I'm SLOWLY adding more things to the on-screen service, but am not sure about the whole liturgy. This congregation LIKES THE MUSIC NOTATION - or at least says they do - I'm not sure I can figure out how to put THAT up on the screen with the words. Sounds like a lot of drama.

But - I'm getting the responsive readings up and the creed this week, and probably the Lord's prayer and prayer responses.

I agree that my older people seem to be liking this. As they age, our light fixtures - now 30 or so years old - seem to be aging as well. I CONSTANTLY get complaints about the poor lighting in the sanctuary. It's as bright as it can get with these fixtures, but the fixtures are yellowing. Time for another fundraiser - new lighting this time.

Larry

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590458#Comment_590458

Larry

Sorry - each of your post seems to strike a cord with me!

I am struggling with lighting in a church that installed new lighting - very effective at reducing the visibility of the screen.

Once people don't have to struggle with the printed word the need for very bright and harsh lighting in the sanctuary becomes less.

If you go for new lighting make sure that it is controllable. Too many places have an all or nothing result from new lighting.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590470#Comment_590470

Mike- that hits pretty close to home for me. Where I had the new screen installed there were two spots that washed out the screen. I had the installers unscrew the two bulbs for now until we could sort out how to control them separately. We thought there was something called Insteon that could work, but it turns out they're LED lights and won't match our incandescents, so I will probably just have a circuit installed so we can control them separately, or maybe when the screen comes Dow they automatically go dim and out. We'll have to see, but for now they're just unscrewed.

i think there are a lot of aging congregations with aging members and buildings. I think in my ministry I don't get to be a church builder - I get to be the maintainer and refurbisher - nor as much fun, not as exciting, but it's ok. I've been here 20 yrs- 'bout time I put in a new screen and projector... New lighting might just be next.

Larry

Murray W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/589781#Comment_589781

Hi Larry,

once the video is uploaded from any of the computers that we have connected to Proclaim, it downloads to the others and then, in effect, becomes a local copy. So videos are then being run locally from the computer driving the data projector/video screen that you have.

I think the limitations of the different slide formats mean that slides where you want bold, italic or bullets (basically the only formatting available [:(] ), you need to use the "Content" slides. Unfortunately that means you have drop-shadows as the only way to separate text from the background, not outer glows which work better). That is apparently being fixed on the "next release"( http://community.logos.com/forums/p/83648/586416.aspx#586416 ). Frankly, the other slide formats are fairly limiting, so I think we will be sticking with "Content" slides for everything.

Lawrence Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590512#Comment_590512

Thanks, Murray-

I think I'm going to try a brief YouTube snippet this Sunday - need to sort out how to download and splice off a piece of a YouTube video. I had a Firefox extension that did this on a limited basis, but it quit working. Any software solutions for this that you all are using?

Limitations- yes, I figured that out right away! I spent a bit of time trying to drag and drop graphics onto slides and got nowhere quick. I've got a few Photoshop skills, so I create a generic background in Photoshop -1920x1080, transparent background (or whatever color I need) and start putting things in there, then save as a jpg. I can then use it as a content slide background by uploading it into Proclaim... Got that all from this forum somewhere...

I'm also looking forward to further editing options, as well as content management. I've only used it for three services and I have a few dozen files uploaded. I can only imagine after a few years!

Thanks!

Larry

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590458#Comment_590458

This congregation LIKES THE MUSIC NOTATION - or at least says they do - I'm not sure I can figure out how to put THAT up on the screen with the words.

It has been a few years since I have been on the Sundays and Seasons site, but they used to offer .tiff files of the music - if they have the rights to it.... For the liturgy and some hymns it is melody line only, but some hymns even had the option of full harmony settings. Of course, cropping and sizing these to fit on the screen can be a bit of effort...

Do I need to pull out some of my old powerpoints as demos?

SDG

Ken McGuire

Josh Edwards

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590587#Comment_590587

For those looking for sheet music formatted for projection, try this site: http://www.paperlesshymnal.com/