New Feature: Personal Book Upload
What is it?
Personal Book Sync allows you to automatically download compiled personal books on other desktop installations.
How does it work?
After compiling a Personal Book, the “Upload” button will appear when selecting the resource from the list. After uploading a Personal Book, the PB will be downloaded on other Windows/Mac installations (v. 5.3 and above) when updating resources.
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Will personalized books show up on devices such as smart phones and tablets as well?
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Chris Toney said:
Will personalized books show up on devices such as smart phones and tablets as well?
Not at this time.
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I had not tried this out before, but here is what I am seeing with the book I just recomplied:
The Upload button is greyed out and non-functional.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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I was able to upload several PPB made more than a year ago, but one I could not because the upload button was greyed out for this one docx PBB. Is ther a size limitation? I think my PBB file was about 40 MB. Cool feature, though. I have not synched my Mac to the uploaded PBB yet.
David
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I don't remember the size limit but there is one.
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I think the file limit is 20Mb on the compiled book.
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Mark Barnes said:
I think the file limit is 20Mb on the compiled book.
My obviously small books upload but the big ones (like the screenshot above) will not. I can always try dividing them up. It would be nice to know what the size limit is.
Edit: I have a monster in there (384,000 KB). (Bet Mark knows what that one is.) Two other big ones at 156,000 KB and 60,000 KB. Those last two would take a little effort to divide up.
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Mark Smith said:
My obviously small books upload but the big ones (like the screenshot above) will not. I can always try dividing them up. It would be nice to know what the size limit is.
Edit: I have a monster in there (384,000 KB). (Bet Mark knows what that one is.) Two other big ones at 156,000 KB and 60,000 KB. Those last two would take a little effort to divide up.
I thought for the 5.3 beta the limit was 15?
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I'm thankful for this ability to upload but wish there was a way to upload larger personal books. Perhaps some day.
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https://community.logos.com/forums/p/88381/622132.aspx#622132
I just bumped the upload size to 20 MB.
Thanks for the feedback! This is a beta feature, and we're monitoring the service and making small adjustments depending on how it is used. If there are additional issues you're running into, please let us know so we can get them fixed.
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Randy W. Sims said:
I still have some books larger than this that I cannot upload. I understand that there must be a limit. Just wish it was higher.
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OFF TOPIC: Bruce - make sure to pay attention to where you place your text when quoting someone. You need to make sure your text comes after the "[ /quote ]" or else it looks like the other person is making the comment instead of yourself.
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Are we able to upload a personal book from pages instead of a .docx file?
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alabama24 said:
OFF TOPIC: Bruce - make sure to pay attention to where you place your text when quoting someone. You need to make sure your text comes after the "[ /quote ]" or else it looks like the other person is making the comment instead of yourself.
I normally do. Just missed it this time. I will fix it now.
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I'm glad the feature is there but... I pay $3.00 a month for a hosting plan that includes unlimited online storage and data transfer (FTP). Microsoft gave me 1 Terabyte of storage for OneDrive with an Office purchase. I have a 4 Terabyte hard drive at home that I keep online. For the price we pay for the software a 20M cap is laughable at best. Just design a way for me to store my library on my own server if it's too expensive for you. This isn't the 90's.
DGB.
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Oh yes, and I SHOULD be able to access all of my library on any device. Why wouldn't I?
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David Glenn Bailey said:
Oh yes, and I SHOULD be able to access all of my library on any device. Why wouldn't I?
what is this in response to? Faithlife's philosophy is that you should be able to have access to all of your resources on all of your devices... And that you should only pay once. FL works hard with publishers to accomplish this, and most of the time they are successful.
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Scroll up to Chris Toney and Todd White.
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David Glenn Bailey said:
For the price we pay for the software a 20M cap is laughable at best
This issue is being discussed in a number of places including https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88381.aspx
Out of interest do you have an estimate of how many Personal Books you might have that are larger than 20MB? I expect this sort of information would be useful to the Faithlife team
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David Glenn Bailey said:
Scroll up to Chris Toney and Todd White.
Thanks for clarifying - and, for future reference, it is helpful if you can "quote" posts so that it is clearer what you are referring to.
In this case it looks as thought you were referring to the issue of not being able to sync Personal Books on your mobile device.
I, and many others, agree that this would be nice but we don't when when / if it might be made available
And welcome to the forums.
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100+ easy.. and like others quite a few really large files. I like the ancient Greeks. Encyclopedias. Oxford. Cambridge. I read the other thread and I'd rather not pay for the service (or have people with expendable income speak for me). The argument of cheap storage was made there as well. If there's going to be a cap then I need to sync to Dropbox/OneDrive or even through FTP on my own server, which I'll pay for myself. I look forward to hearing about a solution.
DGB.
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Thanks!
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Most of the larger files are PDF's. In converting them to .DOCX files I can get most of them under the 20MB cap by removing the images. This is only a temporary fix and if I want the images back in the books I'll have to go through the entire process again of reconverting, rebuilding, reuploading, and then losing highlighting, bookmarks, etc.....
The number one most important feature with personal books should still be the ability to read them on mobile devices
. Any word on if this will be developed and when?DGB.
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David Glenn Bailey said:
The number one most important feature with personal books should still be the ability to read them on mobile devices
. Any word on if this will be developed and when?I haven't seen any commitment on this from Faithlife (as far as I can remember) - I wouldn't expect them to comment publicly until it is nearly available (assuming this happens)
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But the idea with syncing/uploading is that once the book has been compiled, it is no longer necessary to maintain a file on one's personal computer, right? E.g., I have a dropbox account so that no matter what computer I am using Logos on, the directory tree is the same (C:\DropBox\Dropbox\Logos). But if I can upload the documents so they sync on all devices (ideally), this would be serving that function, and having a dropbox would be superfluous for Logos, correct?
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Jeffrey T. Requadt said:
But the idea with syncing/uploading is that once the book has been compiled, it is no longer necessary to maintain a file on one's personal computer, right? E.g., I have a dropbox account so that no matter what computer I am using Logos on, the directory tree is the same (C:\DropBox\Dropbox\Logos). But if I can upload the documents so they sync on all devices (ideally), this would be serving that function, and having a dropbox would be superfluous for Logos, correct?
Wrong. The point of maintaining .docx files in dropbox is so that you can have access to recompile the document as needed no matter what computer you are using. "Personal Book Upload" only syncs the COMPILED file. If you delete your .docx files and need to make a change for any reason, you are toast!
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No, I get that. I will always have a copy of the file from which to compile a book again. I don't think I need access to that on all computers, since I only do that the first time, or if I update it. But the point of syncing is that Logos doesn't have to go looking for the file in some other directory on your hard drive, right? It makes a copy itself (of the compiled file), whereas before it had to access the docx file every time you wanted to open it. At least, I couldn't open the PBB on another computer unless the docx file was available in exactly the same directory as when first compiled, thus the need for a dropbox to be located in exactly the same directory on every computer.
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Jeffrey T. Requadt said:
before it had to access the docx file every time you wanted to open it.
It never used to (was supposed to) work this way. The only thing you could access from within Logos was the compiled resource, not the .docx file
Jeffrey T. Requadt said:At least, I couldn't open the PBB on another computer unless the docx file was available in exactly the same directory as when first compiled
Strange - I don't understand this!
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Well, maybe mine is just weird, or perhaps my understanding is from the earlier days, and they changed it without me knowing. But the point of the upload/sync is that we don't have to have any file available unless we want to compile it again, right?
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In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.
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Jeffrey T. Requadt said:
In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.
That simply isn't (and wasn't) the case. You may have had issues, but they were unrelated to the presence (or absence) of the .docx file.
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Jeffrey T. Requadt said:
In fact, I couldn't open the personal book on ANY computer, even the one it was compiled on, unless the DOCX file was in the original directory that it was compiled from.
That may in fact be true. But there is no causal relationship as that is not how it behaves for others. What we would have to do to determine the cause of this oddity is to watch your work habits and see what else you are doing, quite likely along side the placing of the .docx file in the directory, that makes this true.
Basically, the process works this way (I think):
- When you compile a PB, the metadata is synced across your installations.
- You may chose to upload the PB to the cloud.
When you are on another installation you may do either of these - depending upon the upload status.
- You may download the PB from the cloud via logos.documents
- You may transfer the .docx file into the same directory it was in on the other machine and recompile the PB retaining the same metadata - this may use a dropbox or the Microsoft cloud ...
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Well, you guys are all right, because I just tried with a sample document and then deleted the docx file after building the book, and it still exists in Logos. Here's the thing, though. The whole reason I began using dropbox was specifically because someone else (I assume on one of these forums) had the same problem I did and recommended using dropbox. I had never even heard of dropbox. So ever since then, I had always assumed that this problem always existed, and I never questioned my system until today, when I saw the "upload" button. I'm glad this isn't an issue anymore--or, possibly, that it never was.
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Glad you have it squared away. [Y] [:)]
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So I did my first upload yesterday - but went wrong with building the book first. Now I have two copies on the the same PB on my desktop.
L6 won't let me delete the copy in the Utilities/Personal Book panel (is this a BUG because I have uploaded as well!).
I thought then, if I deleted the uploaded copy then I could then delete the Built Book and start again. BUT I don't know where to find the Uploaded book to delete it.
any ideas?
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Did you try using the hidden book feature?
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alabama24 said:
Did you try using the hidden book feature?
thank you, that sorted the duplication out quite simply.
But for future reference, how do you delete an uploaded book (for example, you get an updated version, or you decide to remove it)? it doesn't seem to be possible.
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As with other resources, one deletes by hiding.
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StephenMcC said:
But for future reference, how do you delete an uploaded book (for example, you get an updated version, or you decide to remove it)? it doesn't seem to be possible
It is not possible other than hiding it, as MJ said. (I'm Mr Redundant today.)
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What I would really like to know if it is likely we can get our personal books on our mobile devices before Logos 7 comes out???
-dan
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Seriously - there is no way to sync up my personal books to my Logos iOS app?
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Hi Michael - and welcome to the forums
Michael Bentley said:Seriously - there is no way to sync up my personal books to my Logos iOS app?
That is currently the case - personal books are not supported on the mobile platforms.
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Michael Bentley said:
Seriously - there is no way to sync up my personal books to my Logos iOS app?
The mobile apps will need an update to recognize personal books. I have no idea when that update might happen.
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I was under the impression that the upload feature was added so that we could sync up with mobile devices such as my iPad. I also thought that some people have had success by uninstalling Logos on their tablet then reinstalling it. That didn't work for me and so I am continuing to search for answers.
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Robert Davis said:
I was under the impression that the upload feature was added so that we could sync up with mobile devices such as my iPad. I also thought that some people have had success by uninstalling Logos on their tablet then reinstalling it. That didn't work for me and so I am continuing to search for answers.
It is hoped that Personal Book sync will be added to the iPad/iPhone apps at some point in the future, but that's not certain.
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Robert Davis said:
I was under the impression that the upload feature was added so that we could sync up with mobile devices such as my iPad.
Sorry, that isnt the case. Syncing is a prerequisite to mobile access, but not the purpose. Syncing is currently for access between desktop installations.
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After our training I was very excited about this feature as I was hoping to scan and import a lot of my personal library into this software - but I, too, worry about the 20MB cap, as I have a lot of books that I am guessing (once I get scanned in, would be over that. I also have some I was hoping to have high quality scans done as I really wanted to make sure the images were captured well (which would mean a hefty file size). I have to agree with the "cheapness" of storage these days, a 20MB cap seems pretty small given the price of the software itself - as good as it is. Perhaps, as one suggested, a way of integrated "local storage" for those files so they aren't uploaded to your servers - even if it means downloading them on each computer and using your servers as a "temporary storage" and have them delete from there once they download/sync.
I also have a few other questions:
Is there a way to import OCR optimized PDF's instead of Word Documents?
Can we add categories I have a bunch of scanned articles I would like to add, but that isn't a category listed.
Somewhat separate question, is there a way to suggest books for you to add/develop as actual resources to purchase?
Many thanks!
Chris
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Chris Knabenshue said:
Can we add categories I have a bunch of scanned articles I would like to add, but that isn't a category listed.
The Type field is restricted and you should use Monograph (or Magazine/Journal); if this is what you meant by "category".
However, under Add Field choose Subject Heading as below:-
After Building the book you can filter your Library for "Testing" with subject:testing (or subject:"Scanned Articles")
Dave
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Chris Knabenshue said:
Is there a way to import OCR optimized PDF's instead of Word Documents?
No. The content has to be in a docx file.
Chris Knabenshue said:Somewhat separate question, is there a way to suggest books for you to add/develop as actual resources to purchase?
Send an email to suggest@logos.com
Dave
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I am running Logos on 2 computers. Both are Windows PCs (Win7 and Win10). I built a personal book on 1 computer, but it is too large to upload. Do I have to rebuild that same book on my second computer? Or can I just copy a Personal Book Logos file (not the original docx file) to a flash drive and transfer it to my second computer? If so, where would I find that file on my PC?
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