Martin Luther King weekend is coming up. There are currently no Martin Luther King resources in Logos or Vyrso, and there are plenty of sermons, speeches, and letters that would be welcome additions.
I heartily support this wonderful suggestion. There are very informative and important works available for Faithlife to include among its offerings just a few I include below.
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 1
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 2
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 3
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 4
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 5
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 6
The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 7
A Testament of Hope:The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr.
I also would like to see titles on civil rights perhaps Noet can carry these works. Two very well done volumes are the following:
Reporting Civil Rights: The Library of America Edition
Excellent suggtion, elnwood, and choices Beloved.
Indeed I'd like to see more access to pastors that present in the large Afracan American congregations. Not being PC; but having enjoyed the Navajo way of thinking, I think learning more is quite useful.
Excellent suggtion, elnwood, and choices Beloved. Indeed I'd like to see more access to pastors that present in the large Afracan American congregations. Not being PC; but having enjoyed the Navajo way of thinking, I think learning more is quite useful.
Absolutely. Yes to MLK works and yes to non-white authors/speakers. (The near complete absence of women authors, and also, I think, non-white authors from the March Madness selection list made me concerned that men mostly searching for white male authors leads to the ongoing focus upon more white male authors. There's not much one can do about the past, but in the present, there are various African and Asian commentaries that could be prioritized as additions, which I'm sure would increase the marketability of Logos.)
While many might have the expectation that King's work is sort of owned by humanity, the King Estate doesn't view them that way, and in fact, tightly controls his speeches, papers, etc., Note that the recent movie had to paraphrase MLK, not quote him. It's also possible that they don't want his actual theological views widely known and examined.
This probably makes them prohibitively expensive from a royalty perspective. Note the works that Beloved cites above and how pricey they are. I also note they are not available in Kindle. Some estates appear to be very suspicious of electronic publishing. (Recall the wait for C. S. Lewis.)
A Logos staffer might have already pointed this out in a previous annual "Where's MLK" thread.
I would be interested in these for their historic importance. however, as I recall his theology was... interesting...
Robert's comment is probably pretty accurate. And abondservant probably pretty representative of the forum. Needs to be useful for Sunday mornings.
And it's true ... white-guy stuff really is the cat's meow (sells). The issue of half of America is currently not guys. And the other issue of half of America soon to not be white. Those are curious but not meow-qualifying. (I didn't want to mention the issue of 'the rest of the world'; not sure Logos knows about them.)
Martin Luther King weekend is coming up.
Also the Oscar-nominated film "Selma" is bringing more attention to King's life and legacy.
This probably makes them prohibitively expensive from a royalty perspective.
Well, there are quite a number of them that have been approved by the King Estate in Kindle format -- all the ones with "(King Legacy)" at the end of their title on Amazon. They no doubt reveal his actual theological views, and they aren't that expensive. Not sure what the royalty arrangements are with Amazon; maybe they are taking a loss on these. But if they aren't, then Faithlife should be able to sell them too. This would make an excellent collection, all from the same publisher too, so it should be quite possible to work out:
I've read through his sermon collection "Strength to Love," and found it moving, and excellent exposition. I think it has tremendous value, and not just historically, and I recommend that book to all of you.
That said, his theology in many places have shortcomings. He caricatures Calvinism, and he drives a wedge between the ethics of the Old Testament and the New Testament. I'm a conservative Calvinistic baptist, and these things do matter to me.
But having said that, his exposition and application of Jesus' New Testament ethics is so profound, so powerful, and King is so knowledgeable and so erudite (he had a doctorate, and it shows), that I think his sermons ought to be read by preachers and layman today.
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I issue a Martin Luther King day challenge to everyone to read his collection of sermons "Strength to Love." We should read or listen to his sermons before judging and dismissing their worth in Logos.
If you read through it and think it doesn't deserve to be in Logos or Vyrso, post back here and say so.
I don't think there's any such thing as a book of sermons that "doesn't deserve to be in Logos or Vyrso." There are plenty of sermons that I wouldn't agree with 100%, or even find much at all in them of value, but that doesn't mean someone wouldn't, and Logos is a big tent, inclusive of all (well, most) theological streams these days. So yes, let's have them, if they are available to have.
So there.
Does Logos have a Europe rep? I saw recently that an Australian one had been appointed, but would love to know whether they're reaching out to, for example, French and German markets?
There are 4 of his sermons taken from "Strength to Love" in A Treasury of Great Preaching, Vol. 12.
The titles are: "The Answer to a Perplexing Question", "How Should a Christian View Communism?", "The Man who was a Fool", and "Shattered Dreams".
Uhhh, Rosie, unless they've caved to pressure, "Selma" has not been nominated for an Oscar (who cares anyway? I.e., other than race-hustler Al Sharpton [I will not give him the title most ascribe to him]).
Uhhhh. George, you've got your facts wrong including the reference to pressure and very unusual for you, your language offends me.
"The most obvious snub was “Selma,” Ava DuVernay’s moving biopic about Martin Luther King Jr. Despite a nod for best picture and best original song (for Common and John Legend’s recent Golden Globe-winning “Glory”), the film’s director and actors were shut out in their respective categories. David Oyelowo missed out on a best actor nomination, but more surprisingly, Ava DuVernay was not acknowledged in the best director category, a nomination that would have been the first for an African American woman."
Then why is Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton making a stink about there not being black nominees?
My news reading has not included anything from Rev. Sharpton in recent weeks so I haven't clue; and, in fact, when I do have reason to follow him, I often find him a bit puzzling as he speaks "persuasion" and I read "informal logic" i.e. he speaks a foreign language.
He's making a stink about there not being black nominees for best actor/actress.
Selma was nominated for Best Picture and Best Original Song:
http://oscar.go.com/nominees?cid=oscars_nominees_announcement_cadillac
This is the first year that I recall hearing so much of the word "snub" for films that were nominated in other categories.
Blockbuster 'Lego Movie' snubbed by Oscars (Lego Movie was nominated for Best Original Song ("Everything Is Awesome")
29 Oscar Snubs & Surprises We Cannot Believe Actually Happened (American Sniper was "snubbed" for Best Director but was nominated for six other Academy Awards; that's some snub!; Foxcatcher "snubbed" for Best Picture yet it picked up five nominations including for Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Actor, and Best Supporting Actor; Interstellar was also "snubbed" for Best Picture but garnered five other nominations; Mr. Turner's Timothy Spall was "snubbed" for Best Actor, but the film picked up four other nominations; Unbroken was "snubbed" for Best Picture but was nominated for Best Cinematography and two other awards; Into the Woods was "snubbed" for Best Picture but nominated for three awards including Best Supporting Actress for Meryl Streep; Wild was "snubbed" for Best Picture but nominated for Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress; Gone Girl was "snubbed" for Best Picture and Best Director but nominated for Best Actress)
C'mon people. This was a great year for films. How can every single film you liked get nominated for Best Picture? I admit that the Oscar nominations are not perfect, and they are very subjective, and people will often disagree with them, and there's probably a bit of politics involved. But so many films that were nominated being called "snubs" in other categories when they just missed out because there were so many other great choices? Seems like some people have chips on their shoulders.)
I recently went to see the Hobbit movie with my daughter. I went to spend some time with her and I had enjoyed the book, but t was the first movie I went to in 15 yrs (I also don't watch TV). Most of the actors and actresses today couldn't act their way out of a paper bag—they're line-readers. Also, most of the stories end up revolving around a theme of romance and end up with them hopping into bed (it is almost de rigeur for it to be two men or two women). I don't care to support perversion.
Since I criticized acting today I thought I might say something more positive. I remember it being announced that Helen Hayes was going to play a certain part in a story. I thought that she couldn't possibly play that part, but after 5 minutes I didn't think of it being Helen Hayes. Now THAT is acting. I liked John Wayne, but he wasn't really an actor. John Wayne was always John Wayne no matter what the part.
Yes, they have both a French rep (Joseph Grigoletti) and a German rep (Thomas Reiter). You can find these people answering questions on the Français and Deutsch forums.
I recently went to see the Hobbit movie
I did not see the first two Hobbit movies but recently went to see the third on a whim. I hated it. I shouldn't have been surprised, since its subtitle was "The Battle of the Five Armies." It was all about gearing up for a battle, the battle itself, and denouement after the battle. If there's anything I dislike more than gratuitous sex scenes in movies it's war. Mind you, I don't mind sex scenes that aren't gratuitous (if it's integral to the story and tastefully done, it's OK with me), but very few of them aren't. And as a pacifist, I find pretty much all war gratuitous. (Again, if it's integral to a historical film, it's OK, but it's hard to depict war "tastefully" and I often have to look away.) I loved the book The Hobbit, and I don't recall it being so focused on war. Granted, I saw only the final movie, and the end of the Hobbit did have a battle in it, so I should have expected this. But oh, I much prefer the battles in my imagination to ones depicted on the big screen with special effects to make them all the more horrific.
You are correct that the Hobbit was not oriented towards a war in the same way that the trilogy is. But you must understand the relationship between Tolkien's study of Beowulf/Old English/Icelandic sagas etc. He has some incredibly clever wordplay based on his knowledge of Indo-European roots in the Old Norse/Anglo-Saxon part of the world. Then you have to love him for converting C.S. Lewis to Christianity ....
example of word-play
hobbit (Noun) fictional word, from the Old English "hol byldan" meaning to build a hole; hole-dweller or hole-builder. A race inhabiting J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth. Plural: hobbits
Plus the hobbit (written 1919 - 1939 when it was eventually published) was written before during and after WW1 and was published around when the opening salvos of ww2 had been fired, while the trilogy that came later was written 1940-1954.In the book (as a fan of the books I re-read them leading up to the most recent movie) a lot of the action is implied as Bilbo is knocked unconscious and spends much of the battle in that state. The book spent a lot of time on the politics and build up to battle. but then the battle happens off stage and the story picks back up after the fact.
I recently picked up a pair of first edition LOTR trilogy books for a dollar each. Not the best shape, but I'm still tickled to have them.
Hey Everyone!
We recently began adding resources from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. You can help us get them through Pre-Pub here: https://www.logos.com/product/47648/fortress-martin-luther-king-jr-collection
Where Do We Go From Here:Chaos Or Community Martin Luther King, Jr. How do we go from discussion of the merits of including an American giant of morality and leadership and the impact of his theology in the arena of society to Tolkien, movies, and a provocateur.
Surely, there is no better argument for the works of MLK, Jr. being readily available to Christian leaders of today. As Christ repeatedly pointed to the spurned Samaritans of his day for attention and inclusion for brotherly kindness. Certainly the disparaged sons and daughters of the once and some might argue still enslaved citizens be singled out for careful respect and brotherhood.
It is a mistake to believe that we will apprehend the good by avoidance and ignorance. We must pay careful attention that our faculties not be led astray by assumption and cursory judgement that all is well with our ethics. As elnwood challenged, Strength to Love is a fitting collection of sermons for the Christian to contemplate for his journey to love his God and to love his disadvantaged brothers and sisters.
Edit:
Thank you Matthew, I just ordered the Fortress Collection you caption above.
Beloved, you made an excellent point.
Initially I thought the Samaritan example maybe in the ballpark, but not quite there. Then I remembered the disciples were quite willing to launch a nuclear tactical device (today's 1960s method) on the village. I'd assume, given the Pharisee denegration of Samaritans, and the hatred between the Samaritans and the Judeans, that Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem, after a night with the Samaritans might not have set well. Yet, he seemed to have intensionally done just that.
In contrast, this thread kind of bothers me. I personally don't value MLK, nor any other pastor for that matter. I do value his sermons. The original suggestion is a good one, if maybe difficult. And I would like more participation from 'Atlanta'. But the quick racializing, followed by ascerbic diatribes against gays (I guess they're in the same pot as MLK?). I don't see the value of saying to 'be more Christian' (like who ... Jesus' apostles?), or 'be more nice' (again, like who?).
While I appreciate that the Fortress Martin Luther King Jr. Collection adds five resources about his work and legacy, are we any closer to adding in texts written by him (eg books, letters, sermons)?
*Bump*
I know this thread is a year cold, but I thought it could benefit from fresh eyes. Any chance we could get more examples of Martin Luther King's own writings and speeches rather than monographs considering his legacy?
I heartily support this wonderful suggestion. There are very informative and important works available for Faithlife to include among its offerings just a few I include below. The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 1 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 2 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 3 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 4 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 5 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 6 The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. Volume 7 A Testament of Hope:The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr. I also would like to see titles on civil rights perhaps Noet can carry these works. Two very well done volumes are the following: Reporting Civil Rights: The Library of America Edition
These would be invaluable in Logos and I do hope we can get them sooner rather than later.
