4.0b Beta 3 (4.02.3.5178) availableClosed

B3 install went great. No indexing required (Woo-hoo)!

Initial impression of opening to my preferred layout is that it isn't quite as slow as predecessors.

1st load of home page still took 30 seconds... and that's AFTER I already had Logos up & running (it auto-opens to my preferred layout).

That's a LONG time to the welcome!

From the wiki:

Parallel Resource Sets support headwords.

Very nice!!! You guys are fast. Thanks.

Yeah my reported bug fix is in there...can't wait to get home and load-up [:D].

Terrific Job!!!!

Thanks, it loaded without any problens and the note fix worked.

thanks for fixing the notes in the Net Bible. It autoloaded once the software was launched.

4.0b Beta 3 (v4.02.3.5178) is now available for testing; ...

[Y] Thanks to you and your Logos colleagues for the speedy beta updates/fixes.

Debra

Thanks Bradley,

Any chance of getting a fuel gauge progress indicator for import, and especially for synchronization?

Or at least a percentage pop-up when hovering over the items.

8802.Logos4 Logs.zip

Bradley, I get a windows error when starting L4 after loading Beta 3. Any suggestions?

Attached are my log files.

Well upon further testing if I start L4 with CTRL pressed and select blank layout L4 will start, but if I go to Home L4 stops working and the program closes. I can select another layout to go to and it functions on the grid fine. Unfortunately, I can't access the Customize setting (this really should also be accessible in Program Settings) so I can't avoid the startup issue with the Home Page (this is a "real" problem).

The Bug fix for the Amplified Bible not appearing in Basic Search "By Book" when searching for "Nephilim" is definitely fixed. Thanks Logos.

The removal of the notes and re-importing of them seems to be fine. Will need to take more time, but they seem better than the original import on Beta 2.

Hopefully my attached log files will point to something, but the crashing on startup because it is trying to access the Home page is a big annoyance, especially when demonstrating L4. I know this will be reviewed and fix, hopefully sooner than later.

Any chance of getting a fuel gauge progress indicator for import ...

Hopefully (for non-beta users) importing from LDLS3 is something that only has to be run once.

While it would certainly be helpful for people who are testing the feature for us—thank you, by the way—investing development time on polishing the interface of a single-use feature is somewhat hard to justify.

Bradley,

Any further information regarding the optionality (or otherwise) of the Bible Index would be appreciated.

If I download the beta and mess around with it, can I return to the regular L4 version afterward?

Bradley, I get a windows error when starting L4 after loading Beta 3. Any suggestions?

This looks like a previously-unknown problem in the Home Page; I have filed a bug report. I think the only option for now is to keep holding down CTRL at startup. The Home Page initialises itself differently every day, so it's possible that it will just start working tomorrow.

Your point that "Customize" in the Home Page can't be accessed if the Home Page doesn't load is a good one; I will log that in our bug database too.

If I download the beta and mess around with it, can I return to the regular L4 version afterward?

No, Logos 4.0b can't be downgraded to Logos 4.0a (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx). You can create a separate Windows user account and install the beta under that if you want to try it out. (Some brave users install the beta on their primary account and create a separate account for 4.0a, in case they need to go back to it.) If you want help setting up a separate account, please post a new thread; there are many very helpful fellow users and Logos employees on this forum who would be glad to help you get the beta set up.

Any further information regarding the optionality (or otherwise) of the Bible Index would be appreciated.

There are currently no plans to make it optional. (I plan to run some performance tests here to judge its effectiveness; I'll make a recommendation on keeping it, deleting it, or making it optional based on my results.)

I did the import delete notes and reimported them but I cannot tell what the difference is.

I did the import delete notes and reimported them but I cannot tell what the difference is.

See http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8985.aspx for some examples of differences in importing formatting between Beta 2 and Beta 3.

4.0b Beta 3 (v4.02.3.5178) is now available for testing; enter "update now" to begin downloading it.

Downloaded and running properly after removing & reimporting notes. I'll put it through it's paces tomorrow.

Q on the parallel resources.

When my commentaries show up in the parallel resources; they show up in several collection sets; one of these sets has the check mark by it...but I can't get the check mark to move to be on the commentary collection that I want....how do you switch it?

When my commentaries show up in the parallel resources; they show up in several collection sets; one of these sets has the check mark by it...but I can't get the check mark to move to be on the commentary collection that I want....how do you switch it?

I noted that this wasn't intuitive on an earlier thread. I though clicking on the heading would move the check mark. Actually, selecting a book from an alternative set moves the checkmark (and also of course changes the resource).

Install was quick and painless. However, it ran very clumsy all night, even after rebooting. Tabs took a long time to activate. Parallel Resources were slow and cause graphic corruption on their tabs and book covers. However, when I got up this morning, everything was snappy again. It was almost like indexing was going on last night, though there was no icon indication of that going on.

The Home Page initialises itself differently every day, so it's possible that it will just start working tomorrow.

Well the Home Page may initialize every morning, but it bombed out just like it did after I loaded Beta 3 (worked perfectly before that). I get a Logos Bible Software 4 has stopped working error. So something seems to have become corrupted with the last Beta. I did an update resources and rebuild index to see if either of those would have an affect. Neither did anything.

I can still use CTRL to get to the Signon screen to choose a blank layout and all goes well then. Once up I can choose any layout but still no Home Page. Was wondering if there was some file that is built pertaining to Home Pages that could be deleted and rebuilt? (Just checking).

Note: I usually start L4 full screen, but using CTRL to start it always come in as a smaller window. Is this a normal design?

I followed your instructions about "Import Delete Notes" and "Import Notes".  It deleted all of my content without deleting the note titles and won't repopulate the notes.  It just continues to sync with the server.  I let it run all night and it made no difference.

is "Import delete Notes" supposed to do anything visible?  I had expected that it would have deleted all the imported notes, but as far as I can tell, they are all still there under Files.  Should I just go ahead and do "Import Notes" now, or will I end up with two copies of every notes file?

Intesting.  All the notes files are still there, but they are empty.  Doing import notes now.

I have the same issue.  All of my imported note headings stayed but the content was deleted.  I am going through and deleting the note files and then will try a new "Import Notes".

I have the same issue.  All of my imported note headings stayed but the content was deleted.  I am going through and deleting the note files and then will try a new "Import Notes".

Same here. Import Notes worked fine after this, though. And the formatting issues were fixed up. I still wish Notes were collapsible (or Table-of-Contents-able, if that can be used as a verb) like they were in L3, though. It imported all my content, with pretty much the same formatting, but it's all just one note file with three notes in it. No hierarchical structure. I'd like to be able to collapse thee three (long) notes and/or see a TOC for them -- listing the note titles -- in a panel to the left from which I could navigate throughout the notes file.

I have the same issue.  All of my imported note headings stayed but the content was deleted.  I am going through and deleting the note files and then will try a new "Import Notes".

that's what i had to do... the "import delete notes" command just emptied the files... i manually deleted the files, did an import & all was well

I have the same issue.  All of my imported note headings stayed but the content was deleted.  I am going through and deleting the note files and then will try a new "Import Notes".

I think there's a step missing in Bradley's instructions. After deleting the notes with the import delete notes command (sort of oxymoronic, don't you think: import delete...?), I saw the icons for the notes still in my Bible, so I restarted L4. The notes disappeared. It seems the internal data/display set isn't rest by this command. Hence a restart is required (or at least solves the problem of empty notes being displayed). So I imported after the restart, and all returned to normal (and works better now, actually. Thanks!)

I think there's a step missing in Bradley's instructions.

I did what Bradley said. I noted but ignored the persistence of the empty note files after the delete function - which gives no indication it is doing anything, but empty note files fill in the story.

After importing I got my note file populated. So however this occurs for me it worked just as Bradley indicated.

Actually, selecting a book from an alternative set moves the checkmark (and also of course changes the resource).

thanks for that bit of info...and as to it's design...no comment [:|]

that's what i had to do... the "import delete notes" command just emptied the files... i manually deleted the files, did an import & all was well

To clear up some confusion - Import delete Notes will only delete the notes, not the document. This is by design. Running Import Notes after deleting will repopulate the document.

Minor glitch in imported notes:

If the original note is a note on a selection and that selection includes headings and tables and such, the text is run together without spaces.  Thus a note on Calvin's Commentaries: Zechariah that is on the text:

Chapter 9
Zechariah 9:1
1. The burden of the word of the Lord in ......

Ends up with a note title

Chapter 9Zechariah 9:11. The burden of the word of the Lord

Which, as you can see is a bit confusing.  The concatenated blocks of text should get a space between them to avoid such confusion.  (In case someone doesn't get what I mean right away: the note is not on Zechariah 9:11.)

My notes are all in the right order this time and no sign of missing ones so far.  Sorry I didn't get around to posting that file before.  Been really busy.

I ran the exegetical guide for Ruth Chapter 3 which has 18 verses, but only 1-15 were included in the results.  This happened for both "Ruth 3"  and "Ruth 3:1-18"

I ran the exegetical guide for Ruth Chapter 3 which has 18 verses, but only 1-15 were included in the results.  This happened for both "Ruth 3"  and "Ruth 3:1-18"

 

Confirmed.  And if I do verses 2-18, I get 2-16, etc.  It appears they have set a 15 verse limit, probably to avoid the performance problems that ensue if you accidently do too large a chunck of scripture (I've accidently done a whole book before and had to use a three finger salute to get control of my computer again).

I ran the exegetical guide for Ruth Chapter 3 which has 18 verses, but only 1-15 were included in the results.  This happened for both "Ruth 3"  and "Ruth 3:1-18"

 

Isa 1 has the same behaviour.

And if I do verses 2-18, I get 2-16, etc.  It appears they have set a 15 verse limit, probably to avoid the performance problems

Interesting. If this is true, I would prefer an error message and the opportunity to divide the passage myself into logical units. I am a huge non-fan of arbitrary breaks on chapters and verse.

Minor glitch in imported notes

If you attach the LDLS 3 note file we can investigate the formatting issue.

I ran the exegetical guide for Ruth Chapter 3 which has 18 verses, but only 1-15 were included in the results.  This happened for both "Ruth 3"  and "Ruth 3:1-18"

 

 

 

Isa 1 has the same behaviour.

Exodus 1 as well[:O]

And if I do verses 2-18, I get 2-16, etc.  It appears they have set a 15 verse limit, probably to avoid the performance problems

Interesting. If this is true, I would prefer an error message and the opportunity to divide the passage myself into logical units. I am a huge non-fan of arbitrary breaks on chapters and verse.

It appears this maybe so tired numerous other passages using 20 verses they all stopped at 15.

It appears this maybe so tired

I didn't think computers got tired. But you may be right. 15 verses is a lot of information to put together. [:D]

And if I do verses 2-18, I get 2-16, etc.  It appears they have set a 15 verse limit, probably to avoid the performance problems

Interesting. If this is true, I would prefer an error message and the opportunity to divide the passage myself into logical units. I am a huge non-fan of arbitrary breaks on chapters and verse.

Actually, I think the "right" way to do it would be to have a More button after 15 verses so you could extend it if you want. 

It wouldn't let me upload the lbxnot file, so I renamed it to jpg.  Just rename it back after downloading, I hope.

Any chance of getting a fuel gauge progress indicator for import ...

Hopefully (for non-beta users) importing from LDLS3 is something that only has to be run once.

While it would certainly be helpful for people who are testing the feature for us—thank you, by the way—investing development time on polishing the interface of a single-use feature is somewhat hard to justify.

Jacob,

I wasn't looking for anything polished, just a crude one to use during testing would be helpful.

Thanks,

Paul

I am still finding overall performance quite sluggish.  I have been using Beta 3 all day and find wait time and general responsiveness pretty painful.  I thought maybe we could compare our "Microsoft performance ratings" and see if there is a common denominator.  I have 2GB of RAM but after analysis, Memory does not seem to be the bottleneck.  I never seem to use more than 1.4 GB.  The CPU usage however is quite high when I attempt logos searches, etc.  From the Microsoft report it seems that my graphic card has some issues, but I wouldn't expect this to cause a problem.  what are you folks seeing... I have 2.1Ghz CPU, 2GB RAM, 7200RPM drive

I rolled my install back to B2...I found B3 to be sluggish in typing, searches, and just general feel...

So I imported after the restart, and all returned to normal

This issue has been addressed post beta 3.

My overall performance is acceptable, with small lag opening tabs when not sync'ing! Opening resources is reasonable. Nothing is instant!

My laptop as below but running Win7 has these scores:

5.0

5.0

3.6

3.4

4.8

I rolled my install back to B2...I found B3 to be sluggish in typing, searches, and just general feel...

Interesting.  B2 was unusable for me - typing was unbelievably slow.  B3 seems to be much better.

2727.Apocalyptic Language in Isaiah 13-14.zip

In the attached lbxnot file, I get the following problems when imported into Logos 4:

* Some text is displaying with square boxes

* Red text is displaying as black text