Great Books of the Western World
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MJ. Smith said:
they are now in the reading list ...
Thanks so much for doing all your work to do this. Now begins the reading. [:)]
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Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.
I haven't had a chance to look at this super closely (and unfortunately I'm out for the rest of the day) but I think I know what's going on here. Our resources require external links to point to a single (and it can be only one) resource ID. Reference tagging tools prefer cases where a book lives as a single resource with a single ID. It doesn't do well with anthology resources where a single book might co-exit with three other books.
In this case the link is a completely valid and not-incorrect link to a resource you don't own. Unfortunately, in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.
I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
... in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.
Thank you.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. ... Could you post screen shots?
Screen shot here:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126880/826240.aspx#826240
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given. I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal. I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given.
Yes, in a case such as the example currently under discussion active links are unexpected and even in this case the basis for tagging the text appears arbitrary, no links to Job or Faust. This tagging is also not particularly helpful, linking to the title page of a resource and not to the relevant passage.
To be clear I mean the tagging appears arbitrary from a functional standpoint. The basis, as Kyle explained above, is probably not arbitrary from a technical standpoint since neither Job nor Faust are available as a standalone text with a unique resource ID.
MJ. Smith said:I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.
This is an ideal that as I understand from Kyle's post is presently technically un-achievable.
MJ. Smith said:I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal. I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
I think this is a special case. I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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JAL said:
I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.
Yes, internal links are preferable.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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MJ. Smith said:
I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
MJ. at first blush it seems this series (GBWW) has been tagged well ("topic searching/factbook support" is forthcoming: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126970/826507.aspx#826507).
Getting to the original language, or alternative, text of content for which there is a consistently applied reference scheme is often simply a matter of choosing from the parallel resources dropdown.
I'm not able to post a screenshot so I will describe an example to follow. If from the list of references for topic 1 of the idea Angel you select the linked reference for Aquinas in GBWW volume 17 (331-332) and in the resource panel where the linked reference opens next select the parallel resources dropdown, can you choose to open the Latin Summa Theologica text to the same passage?
In comparison to your stated preference this requires additional steps but given the technical constraints Kyle mentioned I think it is what can be expected.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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JAL said:
In comparison to your stated preference this requires additional steps but given the technical constraints Kyle mentioned I think it is what can be expected.
I agree although I am consistently disappointed with regards to the datatypes required for generics links ... they are making progress on the church fathers but ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kyle G. Anderson said:MJ. Smith said:Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.
I haven't had a chance to look at this super closely (and unfortunately I'm out for the rest of the day) but I think I know what's going on here. Our resources require external links to point to a single (and it can be only one) resource ID. Reference tagging tools prefer cases where a book lives as a single resource with a single ID. It doesn't do well with anthology resources where a single book might co-exit with three other books.
In this case the link is a completely valid and not-incorrect link to a resource you don't own. Unfortunately, in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.
I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.
It was just as I expected. I have ideas for a better long term solution (it's similar to what MJ suggested) but that's a ways out.
In the meantime, I'm going to analyze the Syntopicon and provide internal links where possible. It's not my favorite solution but I think its the best course of action in this scenario.
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