The range of base packages / libraries is bewildering (in a good way!) - and I'd love to hear what others have bought, and what the "sweet spots" are in the new range. Thanks.
I can't get on to compare.....Can't wait
Nothing and I won't buy anything until I can compare packages properly
I have been trying to get on to look at the packages and stuff but all it is is one great big ad logos 7, logos 7- no info at all about new packages.
Hang in there. We're working hard to get the comparison chart up and operational for everyone. We're really sorry for the delay. The traffic levels are pushing our current servers to the limits, and we're doing everything we can to address it as soon as possible.
If you search the store in the usual way you will find the packages' product pages.
So far, I've purchased Reformed Portfolio, Baptist Platinum and the Full Feature Set. I'm still assessing some of the other options.
As the compare page isn't working yet, my strategy was to begin with the Starter edition, and ask myself if I was willing to pay $50 (or whatever my dynamic pricing was) for the resources in that package. If I wasn't, I'd ask the same question of the next package up and so on. Once I decided that a package was worth having, I kept that open in a window, and then compare the next one up with that package, and ask whether the price difference between the two packages is worth the extra money.
I bought Reformed Portfolio mostly for Jonathan Edwards' works (my dynamic pricing price was about a third of the price of that one bundle), but I also will appreciate The Bible Knowledge Background Commentary, CM328 Preaching the Psalms and I'm intrigued by the Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels. I could have got all these in Reformed Diamond, but Portfolio was only a fraction more expensive, so that seemed worthwhile.
Baptist Platinum is only $150 for me. I'm most interested in Select Works of William Lane Craig (4 vols.), The Baptism of Disciples Alone, Christianity Today Magazine and the stuff from Founders' Press.
I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP.
I'll also be buying one of the packages with The Old Testament Library Series (7 vols.) and The New Testament Library Series (15 vols.) in it, but I haven't yet decided which that will be — probably either Diamond or Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum, which are similarly priced for me.
Mark,
why did you purchase the Full Feature Set when it is included in base packages? Or do you have to pay for that separately?
With L7, it's possible to purchase the resources and the Feature Set separately if you are upgrading from an earlier version.
Is it possible to just purchase the "Feature Set" without buying a Base Package? I am less willing to spend money on a Base Package without knowing what I am getting. I could buy the "Feature Set" and then (using Dynamic Pricing) get a Base Package once the comparisons are up and running.
why did you purchase the Full Feature Set when it is included in base packages? Or do you have to pay for that separately? With L7, it's possible to purchase the resources and the Feature Set separately if you are upgrading from an earlier version.
I understand that it's possible to purchase resources (books) and the feature set as separate items, but if I look at Reformed Portfolio, I have a dynamic price of $401. Then it tells me what resources I would get and what feature set I would get.
It seems as if you bought the Reformed Portfolio as one item and then the Full Feature set. Are there additional items in the full feature set not included in the Reformed Portfolio feature set items.
Is it possible to just purchase the "Feature Set" without buying a Base Package?
Yes, you can: https://www.logos.com/product/120029/logos-7-full-feature-set
Yes. Look at option # 3. https://www.logos.com/ways-to-get-logos
I understand that it's possible to purchase resources (books) and the feature set as separate items, but if I look at Reformed Portfolio, I have a dynamic price of $401. Then it tells me what resources I would get and what feature set I would get. It seems as if you bought the Reformed Portfolio as one item and then the Full Feature set. Are there additional items in the full feature set not included in the Reformed Portfolio feature set items.
Are you a Logos Now subscriber?
Yes I subscribe to Logos Now.
Mark, Yes I subscribe to Logos Now.
Then you probably never purchased the Feature Set with your base package. It will have said that it was included, but if you looked at the small print it would add that it's included as part of your Logos Now subscription. It's confusingly written, but they're trying to tell you that you get the datasets with your rental, not your purchase.
I got the L7 Full Feature Set.
I already did my tagging. I got the L7 FFS for the new interlinears. And happily, you can cross-morph the latin to the hebrew and greek. Neato.
I ckecked the DSS interlinear ... easier to use than the DSS Biblical Index.
The MSS Explorers look good; don't know if I can extract them yet.
Some others I wanted/bought(?), I don't see eg Fathers RI. Who knows.
I'll likely check the Rick-Collections later, to see if he expanded any.
I'm super excited that Hermeneia/Continental set are now in L7 Platinum. Those works are expensive and this makes them affordable. I'll have to think about upgrading on a payment plan...even though I'm still paying for L6 Platinum!
It's been added to this resource: https://ref.ly/logosres/apfthtext
I've plumped for Diamond. Not only does it have these commentaries, but it also has The New Daily Study Bible: New Testament, and SCM's Studies in Biblical Theology Series.
Thanks Mark! That one was sorted back in late 2014 (file date and last updated). My memory must be oddly bad. Logos6 I guess.
Ok Good Morning everyone, I have tried to get to a product page for the L7 base packages but it just keeps refreshing the videos....
I want to get to a page that shows me what are the base packages and the cost to upgrade, and see what will be new to me if I want that package..
Please add a link to the pages if you can access it! Thanks
So this is why i have not bought anything..
I maintained or upgraded my base packages for standard, Catholic, Anglican and Lutheran ...replacing many dead tree volumes of Classics of Western Spirituality was a major impetus.
Here's some individual product URLs that allow you to do a "New to You" on individual packages. You still can't compare between packages.
If you're looking for a denominational package, here are links to all the Bronze versions. You can get to the product pages for the other ones from there:
I'd love to hear what others have bought,
Standard Platinum—Hermeneia, Augustine, and New Barclay plus many other things that will probably be surprisingly helpful in the future. The final price was about half that of Hermeneia alone.
I'm not finding the packages quite as compelling as I did for L6, but then the urgency is also not there because I already have 7 through Logos Now. I'm going to take my time, waiting for the site to settle, and thoroughly go through my options before ordering anything
If I had more money available right now there are several higher packages that look great, but at the lower end where I dwell, the Methodist Bronze is looking the most attractive. For me it's only $10 more than the Starter, and for that I get one additional commentary set (and not a PD one either). Also, it has this:
Personally I will go from Lutheran Silver to either Lutheran Silver or Gold - have not decided which for sure. The Lutheran packages look to be significantly better to me: Actually including important writings of Luther, as well as Brugenhagen, and important Pietist works.... Lutheran Gold is of particular interest because of Hermeneia. I have most of it already, but this is a good deal to top off my set.
Also, since I have old Anglican Bronze, adding new Anglican Bronze for 50 bucks or so is a no brainer, with the Classics of Western Spirituality volumes included.
In Logos 6 I got Reformed Starter for the Institutes and RSV RI. I will look to see what if anything would be valuable for me in the various libraries after I do the above two upgrades.
The range of base packages / libraries is bewildering (in a good way!) - and I'd love to hear what others have bought, and what the "sweet spots" are in the new range. Thanks. So far, I've purchased Reformed Portfolio, Baptist Platinum and the Full Feature Set. I'm still assessing some of the other options. As the compare page isn't working yet, my strategy was to begin with the Starter edition, and ask myself if I was willing to pay $50 (or whatever my dynamic pricing was) for the resources in that package. If I wasn't, I'd ask the same question of the next package up and so on. Once I decided that a package was worth having, I kept that open in a window, and then compare the next one up with that package, and ask whether the price difference between the two packages is worth the extra money. I bought Reformed Portfolio mostly for Jonathan Edwards' works (my dynamic pricing price was about a third of the price of that one bundle), but I also will appreciate The Bible Knowledge Background Commentary, CM328 Preaching the Psalms and I'm intrigued by the Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels. I could have got all these in Reformed Diamond, but Portfolio was only a fraction more expensive, so that seemed worthwhile. Baptist Platinum is only $150 for me. I'm most interested in Select Works of William Lane Craig (4 vols.), The Baptism of Disciples Alone, Christianity Today Magazine and the stuff from Founders' Press. I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP. I'll also be buying one of the packages with The Old Testament Library Series (7 vols.) and The New Testament Library Series (15 vols.) in it, but I haven't yet decided which that will be — probably either Diamond or Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum, which are similarly priced for me.
I recall Mark giving advice if buying several base packages on how to do it at the lowest cost. Was the strategy to buy one at a time (in order for dynamic pricing to kick in)? If so, does it matter which order? Should one start with the most expensive first? Or the one with the largest discount?
The range of base packages / libraries is bewildering (in a good way!) - and I'd love to hear what others have bought, and what the "sweet spots" are in the new range. Thanks. So far, I've purchased Reformed Portfolio, Baptist Platinum and the Full Feature Set. I'm still assessing some of the other options. As the compare page isn't working yet, my strategy was to begin with the Starter edition, and ask myself if I was willing to pay $50 (or whatever my dynamic pricing was) for the resources in that package. If I wasn't, I'd ask the same question of the next package up and so on. Once I decided that a package was worth having, I kept that open in a window, and then compare the next one up with that package, and ask whether the price difference between the two packages is worth the extra money. I bought Reformed Portfolio mostly for Jonathan Edwards' works (my dynamic pricing price was about a third of the price of that one bundle), but I also will appreciate The Bible Knowledge Background Commentary, CM328 Preaching the Psalms and I'm intrigued by the Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels. I could have got all these in Reformed Diamond, but Portfolio was only a fraction more expensive, so that seemed worthwhile. Baptist Platinum is only $150 for me. I'm most interested in Select Works of William Lane Craig (4 vols.), The Baptism of Disciples Alone, Christianity Today Magazine and the stuff from Founders' Press. I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP. I'll also be buying one of the packages with The Old Testament Library Series (7 vols.) and The New Testament Library Series (15 vols.) in it, but I haven't yet decided which that will be — probably either Diamond or Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum, which are similarly priced for me. I recall Mark giving advice if buying several base packages on how to do it at the lowest cost. Was the strategy to buy one at a time (in order for dynamic pricing to kick in)? If so, does it matter which order? Should one start with the most expensive first? Or the one with the largest discount?
The largest discount, but not based on dynamic pricing. Log out and do price as package divided by sold separately. The lowest decimal should be purchased first, then ascending. The most expensive is not always the highest discount, frustratingly. That way you get as many resources as possible at the lowest price.
The only thing I really wanted was TDOT, but of course FL stuck that in Collector's Edition, which is loaded with bloat. Plus, Dave Kaplan is gone. Therefore I won't be getting anything this time...
...and there is now a strong, comforting sense of relief and release washing over me. My back is monkey free!
Justin or Mark,
By any chance could you link to the original explanation for how this works? Any examples so I could understand it a bit better?
Interestingly, I purchased a Starter Package to see how it effected prices on larger libraries and the price of my target library actually went up!
The technique is very difficult in Logos 7, because some the website doesn't give accurate totals for the total value of a base package. (It says it does, but they're wrong.)
. It won't save you hundreds of dollars, but it might help a bit. (I'm using my dynamic pricing figures.)
This sounds complicated, but it only takes a few minutes for each package.
* When a package is marked as "Only some resources included", the "Total value" calculator seems to add the value of the whole set, not just the part that's included. Resources not yet published that have zero value confuse things further.
** To convert the string $26.99 into the number 26.99, use this forumula: =IF(LEFT(B2,1)="$",VALUE(RIGHT(B2,LEN(B2)-1)),0)
I'll give you another example, this time with made up packages to make the maths easy.
Let's imagine we're interested in the following:
Let's imagine there's an overlap between the packages that has a retail price of $1,000. In Reformed Portfolio, that overlap is valued at $130, whilst in Anglican Silver that overlap is only valued at $80 (87% and 92% discounts on $1,000).
If I was to buy Reformed Portfolio first, I would expect Anglican Silver to be $80 cheaper. I'd pay $1,500+$620 = $2,120.
If I was to buy Anglican Silver first, I would expect Reformed Portfolio to be $130 cheaper. I'd pay $700+$1,370 = $2,070.
In this fictional example, buying the package with the highest discount first has saved me $50. In reality the discount rates will probably be a little closer together, so you might not save as much — but you don't know that until you do the calculations.
So far I have purchased the L7 full feature set. Now I'm debating if Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.), is worth going for Standard Portfolio, or going for Diamond instead. Maybe I'll wait till I can do a comparison.
Just wondering if anyone else may have had this experience... I'm currently trying to decide between 4 upgrade options (Logos Standard and Reformed Gold and Platinum Versions) and had left Gold in my cart overnight.
This morning I open my laptop and see a yellow/gold banner at the top of my cart stating "We've added Logos 7 Platinum Library and removed Logos 7 Gold Library from your cart. Learn more." Learn more states something about doing this if I add a resource contained in a higher base package, so I'm not paying for it twice.... My concern - what if I only want the one resource I added and not the remainder of the next level - since Platinum is one of the options I'm considering, I'm not that frustrated with it. However seems to me to be a very shady practice to change my potential purchase without my knowledge or permission.... Has anyone seen this?
Another question I thought I knew the answer to, is if I'm buying either Gold or Platinum - why would the Full Feature Set be in the cart as well for an additional cost? I thought it was included with Bronze and above....
Also on the packages I notice that only small number of resources I own are listed as owned where the price is listed, the rest show a price, though it acknowledges I own the resources with the icon to the left of resource. Are we sure we are getting credited for the resources that still show a price and not the word owned?
Besides those technical based questions - any opinions on the Logos Standard Gold or Platinum vs The Reformed versions of the same?
I'm currently leaning Standard because of Anchor Yale Bible Dict and Hermeneia & Continental, but the excellent collections in the Reformed options look good as well.
The technique is very difficult in Logos 7, because some the website doesn't give accurate totals for the total value of a base package. (It says it does, but they're wrong.).... * When a package is marked as "Only some resources included", the "Total value" calculator seems to add the value of the whole set, not just the part that's included. Resources not yet published that have zero value confuse things further.
The technique is very difficult in Logos 7, because some the website doesn't give accurate totals for the total value of a base package. (It says it does, but they're wrong.)....
Makes sense now. Thanks for your explanation regarding the ViPS sum on base packages.
David
Probably Platinum was in your cart before you added Gold, so Gold was never really in your cart. I did this myself, and got a bit confused. Overall though, Logos are doing the right thing. They're stopping you buying products you don't need.
Another question I thought I knew the answer to, is if I'm buying either Gold or Platinum - why would the Full Feature Set be in the cart as well for an additional cost? I thought it was included with Bronze and above...
You need to get used to some new terminology. A base package is now made up of a Feature Set and a Library. If you add a base package, you'll see both in your cart. (So a Feature Set is part of the Bronze Base Package, but it's not part of the Bronze library).
See https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129383/840849.aspx#840849
I'm 99% sure we are getting the right price, despite it displaying incorrectly for collections that are only partly included in a Library. I've done quite a few calculations on my own purchases (e.g. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/129353/840823.aspx#840823).
It all depends on what you want and what you already have. Perhaps you should wait until the comparison tool is working.
Learn more states something about doing this if I add a resource contained in a higher base package, so I'm not paying for it twice.... My concern - what if I only want the one resource I added and not the remainder of the next level - since Platinum is one of the options I'm considering, I'm not that frustrated with it. However seems to me to be a very shady practice to change my potential purchase without my knowledge or permission.... Has anyone seen this?
I haven't seen it, but if anyone does, I'd appreciate it if that person would paste the exact text into this thread.
It's possible that Faithlife calculated (rightly or wrongly) that there was a resource in your cart that was in Platinum that would cost you as much or more than the gap between Gold and Platinum and is authentically trying to save you money.
It's easy to reproduce. Just add a library into your cart, then add a higher library from the same stream, then view your cart.
I updated from L6 gold to L7 gold, mostly because of getting the TOTC and TNTC, and interlinear Vulgate with their price and more than 200 resources as a bonus.
As I understand, this also contains the full feature dataset?
Thank you for the input Mark. Still wonder about some of it, like the full feature set showing up in the cart when I'm a Now subscriber. Yet with the overload on the system maybe a glitch or two is exoected or clicking on a link that added it...
Buy the packages in separate transactions, starting with the one with the biggest discount (Lutheran Silver in this case).
Mark, have you ever figured out how much a person loses out (if one does) by buying a lower level package within the same tradition? For a person who may want the higher, but thinks he/she only has enough for the lower at this point, but in a month or two may buy the higher? I can imagine, depending on how much one would "lose out" by that method, they may decide to spring for the more expensive one after all, depending on the scenario. Or would it be the exact same total if one bought, say, Gold, then Platinum later or if one just bought Platinum from the start.
I purchased the Logos 7 Full-Feature Set for now since I already had L6 Gold. Once I pay that off, I will look at other packages.
I previously owned the L6 Extended-Crossgrade (and L4 Scholars Library before that!).
This time, I first took out a Logos Now subscription to qualify for further base package discounts, and then purchased Lutheran Bronze (which was $141 for me) mainly because it included Early Church Fathers which would have cost $229 alone.
I haven't seen it, but if anyone does, I'd appreciate it if that person would paste the exact text into this thread. It's easy to reproduce. Just add a library into your cart, then add a higher library from the same stream, then view your cart.
I happened to do that already without getting that message.
Mark, have you ever figured out how much a person loses out (if one does) by buying a lower level package within the same tradition?
After the dynamic pricing changes several months ago, you can no longer work it out exactly. But don't assume you'll be worse off. It's possible that it would be cheaper to buy in stages if you get a better percentage discount on the smaller package. For example, imagine this scenario that with dynamic pricing the value of the following packages to you was:
If the effective discount on Portfolio was 91% compared to 89% on collectors, then you'd pay $2,700 for Portfolio or $5,500 for Collectors. But once you'd bought Portfolio, the price of Collectors would reduce to $20,000 minus 89% = $2,200, bringing the total price you'd pay to $4,900 compared to $5,500.
I presume this is one of the reasons why Faithlife tweaked their dynamic pricing, and it's possible that they now manually adjust for these discrepancies.
But generally speaking, if you follow the "higher discount first" rule, you're unlikely to be worse off.
I can imagine, depending on how much one would "lose out" by that method, they may decide to spring for the more expensive one after all, depending on the scenario. Or would it be the exact same total if one bought, say, Gold, then Platinum later or if one just bought Platinum from the start.
Because the discount tends to be slightly lower on more expensive packages (after Diamond, anyway), the reverse is actually true. You're likely to be better off buying in stages. But you have to do the maths yourself to make sure.
Thanks, Mark, that was helpful. That's generally the approach I have been taking. Interestingly, after I logged out and checked base package discounts, the Bronze were generally the cheaper ones--about 29% often.
I won't complain. I'm pleased you guys are getting so much business today and yesterday. I can be patient. I have a stake in seeing you succeed to keep these awesome, week-transforming tools coming. Thanks for all you guys do!
and interlinear Vulgate
After some more checking, I saw that this resource is "temporary", thus I also bought the FFS
I bought these in stages.
Starter Methodist w/starter features set 20.27
Verbum Starter features 9.50
Methodist Bronze 20.30
Total 50.07
This was the cheapest way for me to get my toes wet without being able to see the compare packages. I did compare all the packages as best I could and chose the cheapest package. I actually saved about $2 buying the Methodist Starter with the starter feature set and then buying the Methodist Bronze without the feature set.
I had to compare all the variants but ended up finding SDA Plat was best for me. Got ICC and a few others I had on my to get list so made the price ($730 for me) feel cheaper. This also came with the Full Feature Set for L7. I so like new version better so far. Haven't tried the Sermon Editor but will...
