Layouts taking forever to open

Bruce Dunning
Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143
edited November 20 in English Forum

The last while layout have taken a long time to open for me. I timed it last time and it took over 3 minutes. I'm on 7.0 SR3. Is anyone else experiencing this?

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  • Bill Shewmaker
    Bill Shewmaker Member Posts: 746 ✭✭✭

    Hi Bruce, I just tried to open a layout that has two windows (5 Bibles in one window and 8 commentaries in the other window). It took an amazing 29 seconds to load. I don't usually have a layout with more than two windows, but on the few that I do have, they all loaded in an "appropriate" amount of time. 

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Member Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭

    I am using 7.1.0.0016 and layouts open surprisingly fast....but....awk!  All my previews for layouts are missing. Hopefully that is temporary anomaly.   

    After some fiddling it seems that new layouts preview fine, but most (not all) of the previous layouts have no previews.  That is likely irreverent to this thread, however maybe I am just having a good morning, but in 7.1 b6 my Layouts are leaping up as fast as I can remember! I mean like 3-5 seconds for moderately complex layouts. So there may be hope!

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭

    I have dual monitors and this layout took only 5 seconds to open up. I am finding that L7/LN seems to be quicker than at other times. Still uber impressed with FL and EVERYTHING it does.

    mm.

  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio MVP Posts: 2,026

    Below there are a layout screenshots of a dul two monitor setup.

    The first layout took 10 seconds and the second took 20 seconds.

    I guess if you have four monitors and many pictures you have time to make some coffee (Kenyan coffee is the best)

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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Hi Bruce, I just tried to open a layout that has two windows (5 Bibles in one window and 8 commentaries in the other window). It took an amazing 29 seconds to load

    Milkman said:

    I have dual monitors and this layout took only 5 seconds to open up.

    Below there are a layout screenshots of a dul two monitor setup.

    The first layout took 10 seconds and the second took 20 seconds.

    Okay, now I'm jealous. I just tried my two most popular layouts. The most complex one still took 2 1/2 minutes and the other one took 1 1/2 minute. [:@]

    I have a reasonable fast i5 that is only a few years old. Perhaps I need to make my layouts less complex but I really like them as they are.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,770

    I have a reasonable fast i5 that is only a few years old. Perhaps I need to make my layouts less complex

    Start Logos with CTRL key held (to get logs). After the layout has loaded:

    • Provide a screenshot of your layout
    • upload the compressed (zipped) logos.log file

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Start Logos with CTRL key held (to get logs). After the layout has loaded:

    • Provide a screenshot of your layout
    • upload the compressed (zipped) logos.log file

    Thanks Dave. Here is the logos.log file. Every time I tired to load it with the CTRL key held it didn't seem to like it and gave me a warning message.

    1351.LogosError - September 21, 2016.zip

    Here is a screenshot of my primary layout that I use every day.

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  • PetahChristian
    PetahChristian MVP Posts: 4,636

    Here is a screenshot of my primary layout that I use every day.

    Do you happen to have Logos Now? Have you tried the Multiview Resources tool?

    I find the multi view UI to be more responsive than using linked sets. Using a multiview for each linked set of resources would reduce the number of panes from 7 to 3, which should also make a big difference in load times.

    Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Do you happen to have Logos Now? Have you tried the Multiview Resources tool?

    Yes, I have Logos Now. I just have not taken time to convert this layout which I have used more many years.

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  • Thomas Ball
    Thomas Ball Member, Logos Employee Posts: 3,261

    Hi Bruce, 

    When it comes to actually opening a layout, it might be the size of the layout (i.e. the amount of panels you are opening) or the amount of visual filters you have. On the other hand if you didn't have any problems in Logos 6 with the same layout I would think that odd. Logos does have to open up everything you're asking it to do in quick succession. But I've not seen people have problems with the layouts menu alone as you are reporting. Can you post the display tab from DXDiag? you can open DXDiag from the search bar in the Start menu by typing dxdiag into search and. Either take a screenshot of it or click "Save all information" and post that. 

     

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,770

    Thanks Dave. Here is the logos.log file. Every time I tired to load it with the CTRL key held it didn't seem to like it and gave me a warning message.

    That's another issue. What was the message?

    Try permanent logging as per https://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging   and upload the zipped log files folder.

    I replicated your layout and it loaded within 45s after starting Logos, and within 7s from the layout menu. The logos.log file (not LogosError.log) should indicate what is happening with your layout.

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Can you post the display tab from DXDiag?

    Thanks for looking into this Tommy. Here is a screenshot of dxdiag

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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    That's another issue. What was the message?

    Here is the message when I held the CTRL key again -

    Try permanent logging as per https://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging  

    I believe that my diagnostic logging was already enabled but I did it again just to make sure.

    Here are the logs

    5074.Logos.log

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  • Thomas Ball
    Thomas Ball Member, Logos Employee Posts: 3,261

    Can you post the display tab from DXDiag?

    Thanks for looking into this Tommy. Here is a screenshot of dxdiag

    Can you post the Display tab? Sorry, I should have clarified that.

     

  • Thomas Ball
    Thomas Ball Member, Logos Employee Posts: 3,261

    I believe that my diagnostic logging was already enabled but I did it again just to make sure.

    Here are the logs

    5074.Logos.log

    Do you have anything in the layout that would be using or opening your Collections?

     

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Can you post the Display tab? Sorry, I should have clarified that.

    Sorry, I missed that. Here it is.

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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Do you have anything in the layout that would be using or opening your Collections?

    I don't think so. But I did have an additional window open with several resources that I have since decided to close.

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  • Thomas Ball
    Thomas Ball Member, Logos Employee Posts: 3,261

    Can you update the driver for the onboard graphics? If the drivers that look appropriate to you here end up being rejected, then try this page to see if there are new drivers or not.  

     

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Can you update the driver for the onboard graphics? If the drivers that look appropriate to you here end up being rejected, then try this page to see if there are new drivers or not.  

    Thanks Tommy. I'll check this out when I have a bit of time and am connected to wifi.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,770

    Do you have anything in the layout that would be using or opening your Collections?

    I don't think so. But I did have an additional window open with several resources that I have since decided to close.

    It takes 1m 44s to begin opening Logos (22s for me), of which about 1m is taken up caching collection rules!

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    It takes 1m 44s to begin opening Logos (22s for me), of which about 1m is taken up caching collection rules!

    I'm not sure I follow Dave. Are you saying that each time I start all of my collections cache even if I'm not using them?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,409

    Are you saying that each time I start all of my collections cache even if I'm not using them?

    I think so because I started deleting collections that could be created on the fly to decrease my startup time and its seemed to help.

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,969

    Collections impose a cost on the system whether you’re “using them” or not, because they're featured in resource picker drop-downs across the application. For example, in Bible Search, the application needs to know which collections contain Bibles and so should be in the list.

    They are evaluated in the background at startup to make accessing them faster in the future. However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

    They're definitely not “free”, so if you have collections you haven't used in a while, you may be able to regain some performance by deleting them or optimising the search filter rules they use.

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    MJ. Smith said:

    I think so because I started deleting collections that could be created on the fly to decrease my startup time and its seemed to help.

    It is too bad if this is the case because I have taken a long time to develop collections over the years and most of them are not easy to create on the fly.

    If this is the case I don't understand why they would have to cache each time I switch layouts and not just when Logos is first started.

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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Collections impose a cost on the system whether you’re “using them” or not, because they're featured in resource picker drop-downs across the application.

    I didn't realize that it would be that significant.

    However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

    I've used a SSD for years so I can only imagine how long it would take with a HDD.

    They're definitely not “free”, so if you have collections you haven't used in a while, you may be able to regain some performance by deleting them or optimising the search filter rules they use.

    Although that is disappointing I will probably do this to improve performance.

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,969

    These are your two most expensive collections, which take over 20s each to evaluate:

    Author:("Alexander, Eric J.", "Alexander, Thomas", "Arnot, William", "Balfour, John Hutton", "Balfour, Robert G.", "Bannerman, James", "Barclay, William", "Barr, George K.", "Best, Ernest", "Binnie, William", "Binning, Hugh", "Black, Matthew", "Bonar, Andrew A.", "Bonar, Horatius", "Boston, Thomas", "Brown, David", "Brown, John", "Bruce, Alexander Balmain", "Bruce, John", "Buchanan, James", "Buchanan, Robert", "Calderwood, Henry", "Cameron, D. B.", "Campbell, Colin", "Campbell, Iain D.", "Candlish, James S.", "Candlish, Robert S.", "Carrick, J. C.", "Chalmers, Thomas", "Crawford, Thomas J.", "Cumming, John", "Cunningham, William", "Cunninghame, William", "Davidson, A. B.", "Davidson, Alexander D.", "Davidson, Peter", "Davidson, Robert", "Denney, James", "Dickson, David", "Dods, Marcus", "Douglas, George C. M.", "Dunlop, R. V.", "Eadie, John", "Easton, Matthew George", "Fairbairn, Patrick", "Fergusson, David", "Ferme, Charles", "Foote, James", "Forbes, John", "Fraser, James", "Galloway, Kathy", "Gillies, J. R.", "Gloag, Paton J.", "Grant, Maurice", "Guthrie, Thomas", "Hamilton, James", "Hastings, James", "Hutchison, John", "Jack, Alison", "Johnstone, Robert", "Keith, Alexander", "Kelly, Ewan", "Kistler, Don", "Knox, John", "Lang, John Marshall", "Laurie, Simon Somerville", "Law, Robert", "Lawson, George", "Leighton, Robert", "Lindsay, Thomas M.", "Lindsay, William", "Lyall, David", "M’Crie, Thomas", "MacDonald, Donald", "MacDougall, John", "MacKay, John L.", "Mackintosh, H. R.", "MacKnight, James", "MacLeod, Donald", "MacPherson, John", "Marriage, Sophia", "Martin, Hugh", "May, Alistair S.", "McCheyne, Robert Murray", "McKane, William", "Moffatt, James", "Nicoll, W. Robertson", "Orr, James", "Patterson, Alexander S.", "Paul, William", "Philip, William", "Provan, Iain W.", "Pulsford, John", "Raleigh, Alexander", "Re’emi, S. Paul", "Riggans, Walter", "Robertson, A. Irvine", "Robertson, David A", "Rutherford, Samuel", "Salmond, Stewart D. F.", "Skinner, John", "Smeaton, George", "Smith, George Adam", "Smith, William Robertson", "St. George’s Free Church", "Stalker, James", "Stuart, A. Moody", "Symington, William", "Taylor, William M.", "Thomson, Andrew (Broughton)", "Thomson, James", "Thomson, W. R.", "Torrance, David W.", "Torrance, Thomas F.", "Wells, James", "Whitelaw, Thomas", "Whyte, Alexander", "Wilson, Alistair", "Wylie, J. A.")

    Author:("Abbott, Edwin A.", "Abbott, T. K.", "Abbott-Smith, G.", "Ackroyd, Peter R.", "Adam, Thomas", "Adams, H. C.", "Adams, Thomas", "Ainger, Thomas", "Ainsworth-Smith, Ian", "Airay, Henry", "Alexander, William Henry", "Alford, Henry", "Allain-Chapman, Justine", "Allen, Willoughby C.", "Allnutt, Richard Lea", "Andersen, Francis I.", "Anderson, Robert", "Andrewes, Lancelot", "Arnold, Thomas", "Ash, Christopher", "Ashby, Godfrey", "Askwith, E. H.", "Atherstone, Andrew", "Atkinson, David John", "Avis, Paul", "Backhouse, J. H.", "Bagdon, J. O.", "Bagot, Daniel", "Baldwin, Joyce", "Ball, C. J.", "Balleine, G. R.", "Bandinel, James", "Barclay, John", "Barnes, William Emery", "Barnett, Paul", "Barry, Alfred", "Bartholomew, Craig G.", "Bartlett, John R.", "Barton, George Aaron", "Barton, John", "Bassett, Francis Tilney", "Batten, Loring W.", "Bauckham, Richard J.", "Baxter, Richard", "Bayley, Emilius", "Bayne, Paul", "Beckwith, Roger", "Bedell, G. T.", "Begbie, Jeremy S.", "Benham, William", "Bennett, Dennis", "Benson, Edward White", "Berkeley, George", "Bernard, J. H.", "Bernard, Thomas Dehany", "Bigg, Charles", "Binns, L. Elliott", "Birks, Thomas Rawson", "Black, Ian", "Blenkin, G. W.", "Bloomfield, S. T.", "Blunt, Henry", "Blunt, John Henry", "Booty, John", "Borg, Marcus J.", "Borsch, Frederick H.", "Bost, A.", "Bouchier, Barton", "Boutflower, Charles", "Bowen, W. E.", "Box, G. H.", "Boxall, Ian", "Boyce, Edward Jacob", "Bradford, John", "Bradley, George Granville", "Bradshaw, Paul F.", "Bramhall, John", "Bray, Gerald", "Brenton, Lancelot Charles Lee", "Bridges, Charles", "Briggs, Charles Augustus", "Briggs, Emilie Grace", "Brightman, F. E.", "Bromiley, Geoffrey William", "Brown, Colin", "Browne, E. Harold", "Bubbers, Susan I.", "Bull, George", "Bullinger, Ethelbert W.", "Bullock, W. T.", "Burgon, John W.", "Burney, C. F.", "Burnside, W. F.", "Burridge, Richard A.", "Burrows, H. W.", "Burton, R. 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A.", "Cornes, Andrew", "Cosin, John", "Cotton, Robert", "Coverdale, Myles", "Cowper, William", "Craigie, Peter C.", "Cranmer, Thomas", "Croft, George", "Cruttwell, Charles Thomas", "Cullen, John", "Cureton, William", "Currey, G.", "Curteis, George Herbert", "Daubney, William Heaford", "Daubuz, Charles", "Davenant, John", "Davids, Peter H.", "Davies, James", "Davis, Ellen F.", "Deane, William J.", "Dearmer, Percy", "Deering, Edward", "Dell, William", "Denton, W.", "Desprez, P. S.", "Dewey, Joanna", "Diamond, A. R.", "Dickinson, Hercules H.", "Dimock, H.", "Dix, Gregory", "Donne, John", "Downing, Henry", "Drake, William", "Drane, John", "Driver, Samuel Rolles", "Drown, Edward S.", "Drummond, D. T. K.", "DuBose, William Porcher", "Duncombe, Augustus", "Durrant, Henry Bickersteth", "Duyckinck, George L.", "Eastburn, Manton", "Edalji, S.", "Edersheim, Alfred", "Edgar, David", "Edghill, Ernest Arthur", "Edmunds, John", "Edwards, Ruth", "Ellicott, Charles J.", "Elliott, C. J.", "Elliott, E. B.", "Elliott, Neil", "Elsley, Heneage", "Elton, Edward", "Emmet, Cyril W.", "Espin, T. E.", "Evans, Neil", "Eveleigh, John", "Faber, George Stanley", "Fape, M. Olusina", "Farrar, Frederic William", "Farrer, John", "Farwell, James", "Fausset, A. R.", "Fawcett, John", "Fenwick, John", "Field, Frederick", "Field, John Edward", "Finch, William", "Floyd, Michael", "Foley, George Cadwalader", "Ford, James", "Forster, Charles", "Forster, John", "Foxe, John", "France, R. T.", "Fremantle, W. H.", "French, William", "Fry, John", "Fulford, H. W.", "Fuller, J. M.", "Gandell, R.", "Garbett, James", "Gardiner, Frederic", "Garratt, Samuel", "Garrod, G. W.", "Gifford, E. H.", "Gilpin, William", "Girdlestone, Robert Baker", "Gisborne, James", "Glazebrook, M. G.", "Goddard, Charles", "Goldingay, John", "Gooder, Paula", "Goodwin, Harvey", "Gordon, Geoffrey", "Gore, Charles", "Gouge, William", "Goulburn, Edward Meyrick", "Gould, Ezra P.", "Govett, Robert", "Gowen, H. H.", "Grant, Anthony", "Grant, F. W.", "Grant, Frederick C.", "Grau, Marion", "Greaves, R. W.", "Green, Michael P.", "Gregg, J. A. F.", "Griffiths, J. S.", "Griffiths, Steve", "Gwynn, J.", "Gwynne, George John", "Hacking, Philip", "Halcombe, J. J.", "Hall, Charles Henry", "Hall, Francis J.", "Hannan, E. C. W.", "Hardy, Daniel", "Hardy, Nathanael", "Harpur, George", "Harrison, R. K.", "Harvey, John E.", "Hatch, Edwin", "Hawker, Robert", "Hawkins, John C.", "Hawkins, William", "Headlam, Arthur C.", "Heath, D. I.", "Heber, Reginald", "Hein, David", "Henson, H. Hensley", "Her Majesty’s Printing Office,", "Herbert, George", "Hervey, A. C.", "Heurtley, Charles A.", "Hewson, William", "Hillard, A. E.", "Hoare, J. Gurney", "Hobhouse, Walter", "Hodges, George", "Hodson, James", "Holland, Henry Scott", "Holland, Hezekiah", "Holmes, Christopher R. J.", "Holmes, Robert", "Hooker, Richard", "Hooper, William", "Hopkins, Ezekiel", "Horne, George", "Horne, Thomas", "Horsley, Samuel", "Hort, Fenton John Anthony", "Houghton, W.", "Howson, John S.", "Hughes, Philip Edgcumbe", "Hughes-Games, A.", "Hunt, Alfred Leedes", "Hutton, William Holden", "Huxtable, E.", "Inge, William Ralph", "Jackson, Blomfield", "Jacobson, William", "Jacox, Francis", "James, Montague Rhodes", "Jebb, John", "Jelf, Richard William", "Jelf, William Edward", "Jenkyn, William", "Jennings, A. C.", "Jervis, L. Ann", "Jewel, John", "Johnson, G. H. S.", "Jones, James", "Jones, John", "Jones, Maurice", "Jones, Spencer", "Jones, W. B.", "Jowett, Benjamin", "Jukes, Andrew", "Kay, W.", "Keble, John", "Kellner, Maximilian Lindsay", "Kelly, Brian E.", "Kelly, Francis", "Kelly, J. N. D.", "Kelly, James", "Ken, Thomas", "Kennett, Robert H.", "Ketley, Joseph", "Kidner, Derek", "King’s Chapel,", "Kingsbury, T. L.", "Knight, Jonathan", "Knowles, Andrew", "Knowling, R. 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W.", "Maurice, Frederick Denison", "Mayor, Joseph B.", "Mbiti, John", "McCaul, Alexander", "McDurmon, Joel", "McGrath, Alister", "McNeile, A. H.", "Medd, Peter Goldsmith", "Members of the University of Oxford", "Meyrick, F.", "Michell, R.", "Miller, Charles", "Millington, Thomas S.", "Moberly, George", "Moberly, R. C.", "Monro, Edward A.", "Montgomery, James A.", "Morgan, Aaron Augustus", "Morres, Robert", "Morris, Leon", "Motyer, J. Alec", "Moulaison, Jane Barter", "Moule, C. F. D.", "Moule, H. C. G.", "Moysey, C. A.", "Mozley, J. K.", "Mozley, James Bowling", "Muffet, Peter", "Munden, Alan", "Murray, J. O. F.", "Neale, John Mason", "Neil, C.", "Neve, Timothy", "Newcome, William", "Newitt, Mark", "Newland, Henry", "Newton, John", "Nicholls, Benjamin Elliott", "Nolland, John", "Norris, John Pilkington", "O’Brien, Peter T.", "O’Connor, Kathleen M.", "O’Conor, W. A.", "O’Donnell, Kevin", "Oakley, Nigel W.", "Oesterley, W. O. 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    Try deleting maybe just those two and seeing if that helps things? You should be able to recreate them easily by pasting in the rules from this post.

    (Additionally, the collection filter system was not built anticipating large collection rules like this. I think there are ways we can improve the performance of collections like this and I am creating a case for that.)

    However, particularly if you have a HDD and not a SSD, this evaluation can cause hard drive contention that interferes with other I/O that needs to happen.

    I've used a SSD for years so I can only imagine how long it would take with a HDD.

    I only mentioned HDD because I saw some delays logged that I wouldn't expect on an SSD [:(] What brand/model do you have and how old is it?

    Also, how big is this file: C:\Users\bdunning\AppData\Local\Logos5\Documents\lyvikjbt.35g\LayoutManager\layouts.db

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭

    It is too bad if this is the case because I have taken a long time to develop collections over the years and most of them are not easy to create on the fly.

    Same here.  Terrible news.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    Try deleting maybe just those two and seeing if that helps things? You should be able to recreate them easily by pasting in the rules from this post.

    (Additionally, the collection filter system was not built anticipating large collection rules like this. I think there are ways we can improve the performance of collections like this and I am creating a case for that.)

    Well Bradley, I spent several hours going through all my collections and culling out a massive amount of them. I also deleted the two collections which were Scottish Presbyterian and Anglican authors. Then I shut down Logos and restarted it. But, I'm sad to report that it took 5 minutes and 10 seconds to boot it up. Quite disappointing to say the least.

    The collections that I've been using have been as a result of the Faithlife Group on denominational collections which I shared. I'm not sure what to do now.

    I only mentioned HDD because I saw some delays logged that I wouldn't expect on an SSD Sad What brand/model do you have and how old is it?

    My SSD is just over a year old and is a Samsung 840 EVO 500GB.

    Also, how big is this file: C:\Users\bdunning\AppData\Local\Logos5\Documents\lyvikjbt.35g\LayoutManager\layouts.db

    It is 230 MB.

    Is there any hope for me? [:S]

    Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    But, I'm sad to report that it took 5 minutes and 10 seconds to boot it up. Quite disappointing to say the least.

    Okay, I decided to restart my computer and try it again to have a fresh start since there may have been other things running in the background. This time it took 2 minutes and 55 seconds which is better but not great. I should also mention that I really simplified my layout. I only had 13 resources open on one main window. I really think this should be better than close to 3 minutes. Do you agree?

    Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,969

    I really think this should be better than close to 3 minutes. Do you agree?

    I do.

    At the moment, we're still mostly guessing at the cause of the performance issue. Without a detailed performance trace from your computer, we won't really know what's causing the slowdown. 

    I'll ask the desktop team to get in contact with you to help track this down.